Walled-gardens are fundamentally bad for communication. Discord is not a solution, it’s a problem.
We had IRC for years. Still do, for that matter. But we have to do every goddamn thing over ports 80 and 443 now.
Discord is a disjointed mess that is being abused by many to fill a role it was never designed to fill.
No, I don’t want to join your discord to use a half assed search to be able to dig my way through what you think is an FAQ about your game.
Yeah, it really bugs me that it’s basically absorbed what used to be public forums and whatnot into its own proprietary bubble where search engines don’t reach while not even being a good fit for that kind of thing to begin with
A lot of people kept trying to tell me Discord was the new Reddit and a new ultimate messenger type software. I tried it a bit and found it lacking on both sides.
Perhaps it will swallow the rest of the world, but I’m happy with Lemmy and other messengers.
I’ll give it another go from time to time
Edit: grammar
And every gamer and his dog have their own, so communities are adhoc and lackluster. It does the opposite of what forums used to do.
It’s an overwhelming mess of everything. So many things going on at once - notifications, badges, mentions, boosts, stickers, voice chats, kitchen sink …
I just can’t force myself to use it. My brain is accustomed to a minimalist UX, not whatever that is.
Fuck Discord. It stole entire communities from us. It is the opposite of privacy. And, subjectively, their client applications are just a horrible mess.
The UI/UX is a convoluted mess. Whenever I say this elsewhere I get downvoted to oblivion and people tell me you just gotta learn it.
Well, yea, that’s the problem. I shouldn’t have to “learn” a UI, things should be apparent and obvious.
There’s not even a useful intro the first time you launch it. Yea, it shows you what the buttons are for, but never explains the concept behind things. Guess you’re supposed to intuit that stuff?
Well, yea, that’s the problem. I shouldn’t have to “learn” a UI, things should be apparent and obvious.
Counterpoint: vim is very well liked for it’s UI, but there’s a very steep learning curve.
To your point, though, the learning process ideally ought to be seamless and linear; each new thing you can do with the application should be mostly obvious given what you already know about the UI, not force you to learn everything from scratch or do work to learn it (unless you’re into that kind of thing). I don’t think Discord is the worst offender of this rule, but they could make it better.
I’m still stuck in vim, please send help.
I do agree with this, however I also have to say being someone who’s been on the canary branch and has the newest version of the new UI once you learn it it’s so much better mobile wise doing literally anything it just makes sense and goes with the mobile flow a lot better then the old ui was, plus it has a side bar which is really nice… The beginning new ui with the guildbar at the bottom was atrocious though, so glad they scrapped that model.
Also it used to be fast, but got bloated and lost its greatest advantage. They abandoned every design choice that made them popular in the first place.
(X) Doubt
one day it will need to become profitable and suddenly it will be a pile of shit
Is it becoming FOSS or supporting any meaningful level privacy?
What are people using for gaming/chat other than discord?
Complaining alone on Lemmy.
Mumble is great real time voice chat. For just chat why not use standard Internet-based messaging?
Discord is an absolute piece of garbage, it’s not a good messaging app, definitely not a good place to host a community (seriously, I don’t understand why some communities saw Discord as an alternative after the Reddit API changes), and most importantly, it’s spyware. The company doesn’t have a business model and it was founded by a guy who is notorious for creating random shit that’s not economically sustainable at all. I don’t understand why anyone would use this shit. This video outlines everything that’s wrong with Discord: https://youtube.com/watch?v=uvNkdAggUGU
The problem is convincing other people to switch as well. There’s no point in me using Matrix if all of the people I want to communicate with only want to use Discord.
I don’t understand why Revolt decided to reinvent the wheel and not use Matrix. They could’ve been a great alternative server and/or UI.
I agree
Why don’t you ask the Matrix team why they decided to re-invent XMPP and add a stupid HTTP API?
Because they didn’t reinvent xmpp, they reinvented Google Wave.
A lot of Matrix.org is inspired by what Wave could have been - although we are running late with threading (but some work is happening currently there). From our perspective, one of the biggest gaps was the lack of bridging in Wave to other existing comms interfaces (eg email) - as well as the quirky UX.
I take it you weren’t aware that Google Wave was based on XMPP.
Thank you, I did not know that!
Very interesting.
Switch to Revolt or Matrix
Why switch from 1 proprietary app to another?
Matrix is terrible, disorganized and incredibly slow.
What part of Matrix is proprietary? It’s not an app, instead, it’s an open protocol that can be used by anyone to build a messaging app or host a server.
I was referring to Revolt
It isn’t proprietary either
How is it not?
Being open source doesn’t mean it’s not proprietary
Matrix isn’t proprietary, but effectively controlled by a single VC funded startup. We don’t need a bloated re-invention of existing internet standards anyways. They should just make a better XMPP client.
VCs suck, but Matrix is open source, everyone can self-host their own server, write their own client or even fork the entire protocol.
Yes, but compatibility with existing internet standards is also important. For example you can’t have end-to-end encryption if you use a non-standard protocol. VC startups like Matrix only increase fragmentation of the ecosystem.
Who defines standard internet protocols and how is XMPP one of them??? “Standard internet protocols” are DNS, HTTP, TLS, etc.
The organization is called the IETF. The XMPP core is defined in RFC 6120 and RFC 6121 like DNS, HTTP, etc. are defined in RFCs.
Discord is the primary voice chat platform for a lot of my gaming groups, and half the time it can’t even detect the correct mic or output. Also routing my calls to the phone app for no reason when I am clearly ACTIVE AND TYPING on PC.
I don’t need another messaging app, I need an actual seamless voice chat experience.
Also routing my calls to the phone app for no reason when I am clearly ACTIVE AND TYPING on PC.
And the opposite problem when you don’t get message notifications on your phone because you forgot to close it on your PC.
discord is also the main place for reporting bugs related to the linux driver for xbox controllers, xone. I do not appreciate it.
Wait, am I seeing correctly? Did they really go so far as to completely disable the issue system in GitHub in favor of Discord?
That’s certainly a… choice.
“Better messaging app” my bubble ass
Keeps changing ui every month for no reason Keeps adding disgracting prolife fluff that looks like shit. (Neither can be turned off) Support is abbysmal. Linux client is garbage. (Screenshare anyone) Bloated mess. Hates mods and custom clients. Too big ( had a server of 3k people, know how many people I got to switch?90) Their team us a bunch of pedophile furry porn lovers.
Fuck. Them.
I literally don’t even install it on Linux because the screen share works more often through Firefox than through their native app. That doesn’t mean it works consistently, and there’s never any sound, but at least I can sometimes make it work in the Firefox webapp. The native app is worthless.
Here’s an idea to start making it better: ditch fucking electron. There are alternatives that won’t need complete code rewrite or language change (tauri, neutralino). Better yet, actually go ahead with a full language change and pick Dart + Flutter, that shit is crossplat.
But we all know they won’t, because fuck you, “ram is cheap”. Good luck upgrading the ram on your phone.
They used to be native with Kotlin on Android and IDK on iOS. Now they use React Native, which isn’t really electron or native. I’m not sure if it bundles a browser but it sounds like the same as Tauri and Neutralino
They could fucking start by going bankrupt so open source alternatives that actually give a shit about privacy can take over. Revolt chat is objectively superior to discord
