• Cheesus@lemmy.ca
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    11 months ago

    I live in France, about 30 minutes from a major city. There is transit, but it’s not good, and has very few stops near where I live. Grocery shopping has to be done by car or bike as there aren’t any shops in the village. European cities are extremely well served by transit, but outside the metropolitan areas, cars are still king.

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      11 months ago

      It’s a really interesting thread. Cities are great, suburb & rural can be great and transit is great. 15 minute cities are great goals, but it’s not a one size fits all situation. I can’t figure out how they think these utopian 15 minute cities would work if they don’t have a working transit built in. It’s so weird, do they think handicapped people can bike and walk everywhere or don’t exist? Do they think parents love sending their kids down the block to play by themselves instead of the backyard? Their choices aren’t going to make sense for a ton of people. They’re either right out of school or trolling, I can’t tell which.

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        11 months ago

        I can’t figure out how they think these utopian 15 minute cities would work if they don’t have a working transit built in. It’s so weird

        Isn’t the assumption that the 15 minute city is a neighbourhood in a functional city? There should be transit.

        It’s so weird, do they think handicapped people can bike and walk everywhere or don’t exist?

        I lived in something like a fifteen minute neighbourhood. I saw people in wheelchairs around. They appeared to use the same amenities as everyone else.

        Do they think parents love sending their kids down the block to play by themselves instead of the backyard?

        Our kids preferred going to playgrounds because the toys and play structures were better. And they ran into kids they knew.

        Their choices aren’t going to make sense for a ton of people.

        I’m not sure what would be bad about a fifteen minute neighbourhood. It’s just a normal neighbourhood, with stores, schools, work, and civic infrastructure.

        As far as I can tell, a fifteen minute neighbourhood only adds to what exists, rather than taking away.

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          11 months ago

          There should be transit.

          No, there are people in this thread saying that 15 minute cities are the transit. You’d think that would be the case.

          As far as I can tell, a fifteen minute neighbourhood only adds to what exists, rather than taking away.

          Look again at this thread, lol.

          Neighborhoods that promote no cars would be great as long as they have the transit to back it up, imo as well.

          Dig deeper and you’ll see the crazy.

    • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
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      11 months ago

      Impossible. This thread has shown me that literally all of Europe has year round Christmas markets with form of mechanical transportation. An entire continent reduce to pre-horse travel. Enough with facts feelings are all that is real.