Yeah, in that case we may as well let Trump win. That’ll go well for all the American minorities and LGBT folks and nonchristians and socialists. I mean, there’s a genocide on in another country, what difference does it make if your sister goes to prison for seeking an abortion after she’s raped? And all those people wanting IVF? Fuckem. If the Nine Godkings of this country decide unilaterally that all embryos are children and every sperm is sacred because a christofascist annointed them, that’s fine. At least you didn’t vote for the guy that wouldn’t have annointed those christofascist Godkings.
Traditionally, candidates for President try to earn votes. The position of democrats now is “fuck you, vote for me or else.” And maybe that would hold some value if this was some small disagreement over marijuana legalization or the timing of single payer healthcare. But it’s not, Democrats are asking voters to endorse genocide cause the other guy is worse. And you want to yell at the people morally opposed to genocide for not getting onboard, instead of yelling at the politicians losing support among his base because of the genocide he’s supporting. Your directing your anger at the wrong people.
A tidbit from this afternoon’s politico newsletter:
“How Biden aides are trying to shield the president from protests,” by NBC’s Monica Alba, Carol Lee, Peter Alexander and Elyse Perlmutter-Gumbiner: “Biden’s team is increasingly taking extraordinary steps to minimize disruptions from pro-Palestinian protests at his events by making them smaller, withholding their precise locations from the media and the public until he arrives, avoiding college campuses and, in at least one instance, considering hiring a private company to vet attendees.
“The efforts have resulted in zero disruptions at events the White House or the campaign have organized for Biden in the five weeks since he was interrupted a dozen times during an abortion rights speech in Virginia. But they have also meant that Biden is appearing in front of fewer voters and not personally engaging with some of the key constituencies whose support he is struggling to gain, such as young voters.”
He ain’t wrong … The Intercept’s Ryan Grim observes: “A Democratic campaign that is scared of college campuses is not a campaign that can win given today’s coalitions”
I fully agree that Biden needs to do better. That any president doesn’t hamper the efforts of foreign governments to commit genocide, let alone support those government’s efforts, is a legitimate travesty worth protesting against. Supporting Israel is plainly losing him votes.
I also don’t like Biden. I hate the guy. I’m not upset at people for being upset at him, I’m upset at people who’ll refuse to vote for him if the choice is between him and Trump. I have friends whose lives are materially worse because Trump won in 2016, and I have even more friends whose lives will be even worse if he wins again in 2024. I don’t care if lemmings hate me for saying we need to vote for whatever democrat is on the ballot in November. If it’s not Biden, good. If it is Biden, suck it up and vote blue anyway. Every single person who could possibly be president in 2024 does support Israel, so we must look at what else they’ll do to decide which one should win.
A vote is not an endorsement, it’s just an attempt to steer the country. If we don’t vote, Republicans will, and doomer leftists will be forced to realize all too late that actually, fascism is worse than voting for Biden.
Your totally right, and I agree with you. I’ll end up voting for the guy and hate every second of it, moreso than the first time I voted for him. I think my point, to the extent I have one and I’m not convinced of that, is that democratic voters at large need to spend less time browbeating the idealists and more time demanding the Biden administration/campaign actually, you know, build a coalition. The current strategy of Biden pissing off his base with genocide, hiding from young voters, shifting to the right on like every policy (“give me the authority and I will shut down the border”), and just hoping that other Democrats will yell at the idealists until they abandon their ideals and fall in line, just doesn’t sound like a winning reelection campaign.
I came of political age with Obama in '08. We were inspired and hopeful, yes we can was a real feeling, I donated, door knocked in a swing state, I took that experience into other local elections. Now we’re going on a decade of uninspiring Dem candidates we are basically just guilted into voting for cause the other guy is worse, so we mostly begrudgingly swallow our misgivings and vote for the lessor of two evils. I just don’t know that that can sustain through another cycle, and the whole genocide thing isn’t helping. The problem isn’t that we’re not yelling at idealists to fall in line loud enough. The problem, in my view, is that we’re yelling at the idealists at all, instead of our leaders who are taking their support for granite.
Yeah, in that case we may as well let Trump win. That’ll go well for all the American minorities and LGBT folks and nonchristians and socialists. I mean, there’s a genocide on in another country, what difference does it make if your sister goes to prison for seeking an abortion after she’s raped? And all those people wanting IVF? Fuckem. If the Nine Godkings of this country decide unilaterally that all embryos are children and every sperm is sacred because a christofascist annointed them, that’s fine. At least you didn’t vote for the guy that wouldn’t have annointed those christofascist Godkings.
Traditionally, candidates for President try to earn votes. The position of democrats now is “fuck you, vote for me or else.” And maybe that would hold some value if this was some small disagreement over marijuana legalization or the timing of single payer healthcare. But it’s not, Democrats are asking voters to endorse genocide cause the other guy is worse. And you want to yell at the people morally opposed to genocide for not getting onboard, instead of yelling at the politicians losing support among his base because of the genocide he’s supporting. Your directing your anger at the wrong people.
A tidbit from this afternoon’s politico newsletter:
How do you know they aren’t also directing anger at the Democrats? They exist outside of this thread…
I fully agree that Biden needs to do better. That any president doesn’t hamper the efforts of foreign governments to commit genocide, let alone support those government’s efforts, is a legitimate travesty worth protesting against. Supporting Israel is plainly losing him votes.
I also don’t like Biden. I hate the guy. I’m not upset at people for being upset at him, I’m upset at people who’ll refuse to vote for him if the choice is between him and Trump. I have friends whose lives are materially worse because Trump won in 2016, and I have even more friends whose lives will be even worse if he wins again in 2024. I don’t care if lemmings hate me for saying we need to vote for whatever democrat is on the ballot in November. If it’s not Biden, good. If it is Biden, suck it up and vote blue anyway. Every single person who could possibly be president in 2024 does support Israel, so we must look at what else they’ll do to decide which one should win.
A vote is not an endorsement, it’s just an attempt to steer the country. If we don’t vote, Republicans will, and doomer leftists will be forced to realize all too late that actually, fascism is worse than voting for Biden.
Your totally right, and I agree with you. I’ll end up voting for the guy and hate every second of it, moreso than the first time I voted for him. I think my point, to the extent I have one and I’m not convinced of that, is that democratic voters at large need to spend less time browbeating the idealists and more time demanding the Biden administration/campaign actually, you know, build a coalition. The current strategy of Biden pissing off his base with genocide, hiding from young voters, shifting to the right on like every policy (“give me the authority and I will shut down the border”), and just hoping that other Democrats will yell at the idealists until they abandon their ideals and fall in line, just doesn’t sound like a winning reelection campaign.
I came of political age with Obama in '08. We were inspired and hopeful, yes we can was a real feeling, I donated, door knocked in a swing state, I took that experience into other local elections. Now we’re going on a decade of uninspiring Dem candidates we are basically just guilted into voting for cause the other guy is worse, so we mostly begrudgingly swallow our misgivings and vote for the lessor of two evils. I just don’t know that that can sustain through another cycle, and the whole genocide thing isn’t helping. The problem isn’t that we’re not yelling at idealists to fall in line loud enough. The problem, in my view, is that we’re yelling at the idealists at all, instead of our leaders who are taking their support for granite.
Exactly. So make sure to tell Biden to stop committing Genocide or what you just said is going to happen exactly how you just said it.