I mean, i get it. But i wish the world would just work together on everything and stop with the country bullshit. Imagine the stuff we could make if everyone worked together.
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Databases also make the list, and again nothing from Western devs made the cut. But Alibaba Cloud’s PolarDB is mentioned, as is Tencent’s TDSQL and a handful of other made-in-China efforts.
That’s a big one.
Unless Chinese firms have been straight-up stealing trade secrets and code from the likes of Oracle and have produced such a blatant knock-off of their software that in any other country, they would have been sued out of existence, I can see a five week transition being messy-as-fuck.
Transitions to new database systems take months or even years to implement, not the 5 weeks mandated by the Chinese Communist Party. This is especially the case when you’re dealing with important stakeholder data, huge data volumes and/or statutory requirements like financial reporting.
I mean, we do the same thing, for the same reasons, with our government and defense procurement orders these days. This isn’t that weird. It’s only weird in that they’re clearly cutting themselves off from the best high-volume x86 CPU manufacturers that currently exist, but aside from that, the geopolitical and strategic calculus adds up.
Gee, now it makes me think there’s an ulterior motive to conquering Taiwan…
Yes, all of the most advanced chip making factories are in Taiwan. It’s the biggest reason that the US passed the CHIPS act and also why there is so much geopolitical tension around Taiwan.
Why did you think there was so much focus on Taiwan? Boba is great and all, but surely it doesn’t merit the protection of the US Navy. 😁
Yes, all of the most advanced chip making factories are in Taiwan.
Not really. The most advanced manufacturing sites are still in laboratories in the United States and Europe, it’s just that they are not suited for mass production.
It’s probably the modern reason, but before semiconductors there was already a lot of nationalistic tension around Taiwan.
Yes, all of the most advanced chip making factories are in Taiwan.
Intel is back in the game with PowerVia after the endless blunder that was 10nm.
In grander strategic terms Taiwan is, technologically, erm, dispensable. Both Europe and the US can, independently, make chips that are good enough, that are fast enough, to be used in any application the question is whether they’re cheap enough for high-end commercial use. The military doesn’t care if a chip costs twice as much and is twice as heavy the propellant and warhead of the rocket weigh magnitudes more anyway.
Where Taiwan is indispensable is being a thorn in China’s side which has strategic value all of its own.
Well the thing is Taiwan’s official name is the Republic of China and they, just like the People’s Republic of China, consider themselves to be China. Officially it is a reunification (by force if necessary) of the two China’s. Its not like North and South Korea where they are officially separate countries because they both consider themselves to be one country. It’s a complicated situation from a civil war and colonization from Japan.
Tell you what’s really hilarious is listening to Chinese (mainland Chinese, any province) completely lose their shit and turn into a rabid psychopath driveling screaming moron as soon as anyone says “Taiwan number one!”.
They act like it’s the most offensive possible thing that can be said apart from Xi looking like Winnie the Pooh…because he does of course.
“consider themselves to be China”
“reunification (by force if necessary)”
Your own statement conflicts itself. If Taiwan considers itself part of China, why would force be necessary?
Taiwan doesn’t consider itself to be a country? Taiwan seems to disagree with that.
This post is full of dumb.
x86 is dying, legacy processing. It’s all GPU’s and ARM processing now. Apple is leaning hard into it so they set themselves as a leader in AI in the future.
Except a lot of infrastructure runs on legacy software. There’s stuff built on like windows 2000 that is still used by hospitals and governments.
You very obviously don’t understand the truly enormous power of technical inertia.
You’re getting down voted but in all honesty, you’re not wrong. All it takes is one x86/64 alternative to show the world that Intel and AMD aren’t the only players in the game. Apple did it with ARM and the m1 chip, now we’re hearing reports of Microsoft actually putting a real effort into ARM and making their own chips for AI instead of that half-assed Windows on ARM initiative. I for one love this competition, because that only benefits the consumers.
ARM computers are positively repugnant. This abobination of an architecture MUST be exterminated.
None of the CPUs on that list contain Intel Management Engine. What gives China, you don’t want a CPU in your CPU?
In a bizarre turn of events, it seems the reclusive nation of North Korea has finally succumbed to the intense chip envy brought on by China’s recent announcement of its approved CPU list. In an effort to keep pace with neighboring rivals, Kim Jong-un ordered the immediate development of a state-of-the-art microchip. And thus, ‘The Juche Chip’ was born - named after North Korea’s philosophy of self-reliance.
After months of hard work, North Korean engineers presented their masterpiece: a CPU so advanced, it can run MS-DOS smoothly on Windows ME. This revolutionary breakthrough in computing technology also boasts an impressive clock speed that’s roughly equivalent to the rate at which time moves inside a Pyongyang prison cell. With the Juche Chip, users will never have to worry about lagging, overheating or any other technical issues because their system will freeze before such problems could even arise.
Only Chinese code is present, namely [lists three linux distros]
Linus Torvalds: *clears throat*
China Huawei’ing Linux
This might just be for government computers, not the entire country - see https://www.ft.com/content/7bf0f79b-dea7-49fa-8253-f678d5acd64a
Still, the overall direction and intent is clear.
understandible given how the Americans are treating Huawei.
I’m all for critiquing China where it makes sense but this just seems like the same national security measures the West has taken in the past (Huawei 5G anyone?)
It’s also defacto mandating that their CCP approved Spyware chips are in place
China bans Intel and AMD from government machines, the US blocked Huawei from the entirety of the US.
Unless I’m misreading the article Intel and AMD are banned for EVERYONE not just government.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
AMD and Intel are not present on a list of processors approved by China’s Information Security Evaluation Center.
The x86 architecture does make the list, but only in chips made by Shanghai Zhaoxin Integrated Circuit Co., Ltd – which is minority-owned by Taiwan’s Via Technologies and holds a license to produce x86 processors.
The other approved chip shops make processors powered by Arm cores or, in the case of Loongson Technologies, the RISC-V architecture.
Second, the Financial Times found it over the weekend and reported that publication of the list accelerated efforts in China to replace Western tech and hardware with locally developed kit.
The FT chatted to some IT shops inside China and they confirmed that they’re phasing out items like PCs running Windows, because shop-at-home mandates have taken force.
Last week, authorities again called on web platforms to police more vigilantly the use of provocative typos and puns that can be construed as criticism of the Chinese Communist Party.
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Can’t even source their own chips. Need to buy from the real China, Taiwan.
China is a fucking joke.
Make RISC-V great again
Loongson is fully Chinese. Only the x86 chips have a Taiwan joint.
Yeah, only the most dominant, mature, and in-use instruction set.
When was the last time you ran a SPARC binary?
I mean more Arm on Linux sounds dope to me I guess
I like the power conservation but I hate the “SoC”
Ampere CPUs use normal DIMMs, and don’t have integrated storage, like any other CPU. So you can have the best of both worlds (although idk about power conservation, they are efficient though).
Whatever that gets a RISC-V open source chip made i am supporting don’t care if its china or russia lets just hope this makes the giants follow along .
China, Russia, and open source? Hahaha
Execs from Huawei and Tencent are on the board of directors for the Linux Foundation.
That should set your alarm bells ringing.
I don’t know if it should. Linux is obviously important to the Chinese. The foundation also has employees from Intel, VMWare, Meta, Qualcomm, Microsoft, and all the Japanese electronics manufacturers on the board. If we are so afraid of China maybe we should pull all of our manufacturing back.
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Obviously there isn’t a consensus. 187 House Republicans and 33 Senate Republicans voted against the CHIPS Act for example.
