I did not downvote you and I genuinely just saw your post now, chill your bits. Some of us have a job or a life beyond refreshing social media constantly (and I’m already pretty bad on that front).
So to your question, I didn’t say “force you to log in before they work”, I said “ask for a login”. Which my ASUS display in fact does to deliver updates and control lighting. In fairness, their dumb app also covers the keyboard, mouse and motherboard RGB, but account login it has. So does my Logitech mouse, by the way. My other Alienware monitor is interesting, because it doesn’t have a login, but it does ask to collect your data, including it scrubbing your games library and constantly monitoring your controller with no opt-out for some reason. I think I would have preferred a login. Still better than Armoury Crate, though.
And of course that assumes we’re only talking about PC monitors. Every single one of my TVs requests a login as part of the first time setup process, whether you use them stand-alone or as a PC output. The trophy to most annoying spyware on that front has to go to LG, whose WebOS device allows me to log out after creating an account if I want, but then it will stop updating some of my apps, so each time Max decides to change its name or Disney wants to change the background on its Disney Plus app I have to manually log in, update, then log out again. Fun!
So you brought up an optional piece of software with an email log in and treated it the same as enforcing a log in. Cool.
Asus having software you can optionally use to control your display and other Asus peripherals/components is very different to enforcing a Meta/Facebook account to use a display.
That is not the same and the comparison is ridiculous.
If Facebook said that accounts were completely optional and only used to access their store or whatever then there would be zero issue.
But that’s not what they do. You have to log in and create an account just to have an HDMI signal and basic gyroscope functionality.
No, I made a passing comment about how the comparison the OP made isn’t particularly effective and, in the social media 200m obstacles you have decided to create a tangent nitpicking that caveat to death because you think it scores points instead of being an obnoxious stalemate.
So no, it’s not “the same”, what it is is relevant to note that pretty much every piece of hardware you buy does at least request that you log in to a service and, of course, the part you’re actively ignoring, which is that all dedicated hardware and software platforms in the market, VR or not, do require a mandatory login.
So can we get back to the point or do you want to keep litigating your deliberate misrepresentation indefinitely? I see you have plenty of time, given you got so antsy about waiting 30 minutes for a response.
In reply to someone complaining that a head mounted display forces you to have a Facebook/Meta login in order to use it at all, you brought up that “a bunch” of monitors also “ask” that you do the same.
But:
asking is not the same as forcing.
monitors don’t do that anyway, your argument is a lie.
I have never seen a monitor’s OSD popping up and pestering you to sign in.
all dedicated hardware and software platforms in the market, VR or not, do require a mandatory login.
I honestly don’t put it past Samsung. Their TVs already do. I have an old monitor, and I’m currently using what will probably be my last smartphone from them. They make good hardware, but I’m tired of them insisting on knowing everything I do to use it.
That’s why I didn’t just say that monitors also ask for your login and that was just a minor postcript throwaway at the end of the post.
But by all means, please do provide a counterexample of a standalone software or hardware platform that doesn’t request a login. I am waiting with bated breath. Can’t wait for somebody trying to actually define this grudge beyond amorphous rage to see the scope of what’s being requested.
That’s why I didn’t just say that monitors also ask for your login
Yes you did. Scroll up.
that was just a minor postcript throwaway at the end of the post.
I’m sorry, does your lie being at the end of a post rather than at the start somehow mean it doesn’t count?
But by all means, please do provide a counterexample of a standalone software or hardware platform that doesn’t request a login. I am waiting with bated breath.
Stop moving the goalposts. You said they force you. Now you’re saying request.
Don’t you remember saying that they force you? Here’s your quote:
“all dedicated hardware and software platforms in the market, VR or not, do require a mandatory login.”
And for that I could name a bunch of examples. You don’t have to make a Google account to use an Android phone. You don’t have to make a Nintendo account to play on a Switch. You don’t need an account to play play Blu-rays on a Blu-ray player. My smart TV doesn’t need a Google account or a Sony account. You don’t need an account to watch YouTube. Etc. Those are all hardware, software, or both ecosystems.
How aren’t you understanding that asking (or in the case of monitors, not even asking - to be very clear, you lied about that) for a login and requiring it aren’t the same?
Nobody has an issue with Facebook/Microsoft/Google asking you to sign in. But they absolutely have a problem with it being enforced. Particularly when it’s for something as basic as displaying an HDMI signal.
Well, we do know that you want to litigate the misrepresentation indefinitely.
So you’re lying about what I said. Which always weirds me out because… well it’s still there, you can look at it. Here’s what I said:
EDIT: Also, for the record, there are a bunch of monitor manufacturers that do ask for a login. Hi, ASUS Armoury Crate, you suck and have always sucked.
You will notice the word “have” is not in fact in that piece of text (well, except for “you have always sucked”). The word “ask” is in that piece of text. If you have questions about the meaning of those words please feel free to look them up.
Now, about your other absurd lie.
You HAVE to make a Google account to use the Google Play store, which is the platform (Android is just the OS). You HAVE to make a Nintendo account to use the eShop, although I do give you partial credit on that one, if you stick to physical media only you can still play some games on it.
Meanwhile, you DO need an account to use, in no particular order: Steam VR, PSVR, Playstation in general, Xbox in general, Apple Vision Pro, an iPhone, GOG, EA Play, and since you’re willing to include services beyond gaming and software, also Kindle, Amazon Prime Video, HBO Max, Netflix, Disney Plus, Paramount Plus, the LG, Samsung and Sony free streaming services, Plex, Spotify, Tidal and so, so many more.
Oh, and Lemmy.
So if Microsoft MAKES you log in to use an Xbox and Sony MAKES you log in to use a PlayStation and Steam MAKES you log in to use… well, Steam and Steam VR, then why are you singling out Meta?
That’s rethorical, by the way, it’s because this was a legitimate issue back in 2020 when they briefly enforced a Facebook log in for both new and existing users and people were legitimately mad for a bit, and then they changed policy after all the backlash but people didn’t want to stop being mad at them for other reasons so here we are. Having to endure the absurd dance of somebody pretending that a company with a closed platform containing a store and a digital distribution service would require a login to operate just like everybody else.
Well, we do know that you want to litigate the misrepresentation indefinitely.
I’m just calling out a lie. I like to do that. I’m sorry that offends you.
So you’re lying about what I said.
Nope.
EDIT: Also, for the record, there are a bunch of monitor manufacturers that do ask for a login. Hi, ASUS Armoury Crate, you suck and have always sucked.
And they don’t. No monitor asks you to sign in before (or after) using it.
Now, about your other absurd lie.
I haven’t lied once, that’s all on you.
You HAVE to make a Google account to use the Google Play store
Yes? Who said otherwise? The play store isn’t required for you to use your phone.
which is the platform (Android is just the OS).
Please don’t take offence at this, but are you mentally deficient? Of course Android is a platform. In every sense of the word. It’s a platform for apps, it’s a platform for development, it’s a platform for all kinds of things.
Let’s look at the Cambridge definition:
Platform, noun. (Computing)
"the type of computer system or smartphone you are using, in relation to the type of software (= computer programs) you can use on it:
This new personal banking software can be used with any Windows platform.
Both Apple’s iOS and Google’s Android mobile platforms now have emoji keyboards built into their software."
You HAVE to make a Nintendo account to use the eShop
Again, you don’t need the eShop to use a switch.
I also see you ignoring that I mentioned YouTube. Is that not a platform in your confused mind?
Oh, and Lemmy.
Wrong.
So if Microsoft MAKES you log in to use an Xbox and Sony MAKES you log in to use a PlayStation and Steam MAKES you log in to use… well, Steam and Steam VR, then why are you singling out Meta?
Because:
This submission is about Meta. Of course I’m talking about Meta.
It’s a fucking display and gyrometer. It has zero reason to enforce using an account, unlike a storefront/game platform such as steam, which can’t really work without accounts.
That’s rethorical, by the way
I don’t care. I’ve addressed your nonsense regardless.
It’s because this was a legitimate issue back in 2020
Was and still is.
legitimately mad for a bit
Still are, and for good reason.
people didn’t want to stop being mad at them for other reasons
Nope. For the same reason. They enforce a Facebook/Meta login.
Having to endure the absurd dance of somebody pretending that a company with a closed platform containing a store and a digital distribution service would require a login to operate just like everybody else.
No.
Please STOP with these brazen lies.
NOBODY, and I do literally mean nobody, ever, anywhere, in any capacity, has an issue with Facebook requiring an account to use their storefront.
People do have an issue with Facebook requiring a log in to use a bloody HDMI port on a head mounted display they sell.
You know this, because you’ve already been told, you are just purposely being contrarian because you get off on it or something, I don’t know.
A Quest isn’t a HMD, it’s a self-contained system. It has its own OS (and Android variant, I believe), it has its own built-in store, it runs its own software right on the SoC built into the device. It very much isn’t “displays and gyrometers”. You can’t even use it as a HMD for a separate computer without booting the OS first and running software on both ends. It operates like a Steam Link (which also requires logging in, by the way).
So… I’m sorry if this frustrates your vitriol, but you are factually wrong about how this operates. I’ve worn my Quest today. I am not lying to you.
As I am not lying to you when I tell you Meta gave up the Facebook login requirement years ago. You can just make a separate Quest account if you want. You can in fact detach your old Facebook account if you had it linked. You can also make multiple accounts on the same device and use them offline. I know because I have that exact setup on my Quest right now.
Don’t think I don’t notice that you’re trying to squirrel out of having lied here by flipping to “a Facebook/Meta account”. It won’t fly. The issue people had was having to tie their headsets to Facebook and their social media ID. Meta accounts can be made freely with just a burner email, just like a PSN or an Xbox account, you don’t need to associate it to anything else. It’s not the same.
Also, please, if you’re just going to respond with factually incorrect monosyllables don’t bother with the quotes, it’s a waste of space.
I’m gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you’re speaking from ignorance here. I am less willing to forgive the sheer amount of rage given how wrong you are on the verifiable facts. Much as you’re in character for a Ferengi, you may want to consider holding back some of that anger for an issue you actually care about. You’re gonna run out.
I did not downvote you and I genuinely just saw your post now, chill your bits. Some of us have a job or a life beyond refreshing social media constantly (and I’m already pretty bad on that front).
So to your question, I didn’t say “force you to log in before they work”, I said “ask for a login”. Which my ASUS display in fact does to deliver updates and control lighting. In fairness, their dumb app also covers the keyboard, mouse and motherboard RGB, but account login it has. So does my Logitech mouse, by the way. My other Alienware monitor is interesting, because it doesn’t have a login, but it does ask to collect your data, including it scrubbing your games library and constantly monitoring your controller with no opt-out for some reason. I think I would have preferred a login. Still better than Armoury Crate, though.
And of course that assumes we’re only talking about PC monitors. Every single one of my TVs requests a login as part of the first time setup process, whether you use them stand-alone or as a PC output. The trophy to most annoying spyware on that front has to go to LG, whose WebOS device allows me to log out after creating an account if I want, but then it will stop updating some of my apps, so each time Max decides to change its name or Disney wants to change the background on its Disney Plus app I have to manually log in, update, then log out again. Fun!
So you brought up an optional piece of software with an email log in and treated it the same as enforcing a log in. Cool.
Asus having software you can optionally use to control your display and other Asus peripherals/components is very different to enforcing a Meta/Facebook account to use a display.
That is not the same and the comparison is ridiculous.
If Facebook said that accounts were completely optional and only used to access their store or whatever then there would be zero issue.
But that’s not what they do. You have to log in and create an account just to have an HDMI signal and basic gyroscope functionality.
No, I made a passing comment about how the comparison the OP made isn’t particularly effective and, in the social media 200m obstacles you have decided to create a tangent nitpicking that caveat to death because you think it scores points instead of being an obnoxious stalemate.
So no, it’s not “the same”, what it is is relevant to note that pretty much every piece of hardware you buy does at least request that you log in to a service and, of course, the part you’re actively ignoring, which is that all dedicated hardware and software platforms in the market, VR or not, do require a mandatory login.
So can we get back to the point or do you want to keep litigating your deliberate misrepresentation indefinitely? I see you have plenty of time, given you got so antsy about waiting 30 minutes for a response.
No.
In reply to someone complaining that a head mounted display forces you to have a Facebook/Meta login in order to use it at all, you brought up that “a bunch” of monitors also “ask” that you do the same.
But:
asking is not the same as forcing.
monitors don’t do that anyway, your argument is a lie.
I have never seen a monitor’s OSD popping up and pestering you to sign in.
That is not true either.
I honestly don’t put it past Samsung. Their TVs already do. I have an old monitor, and I’m currently using what will probably be my last smartphone from them. They make good hardware, but I’m tired of them insisting on knowing everything I do to use it.
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Yes.
That’s why I didn’t just say that monitors also ask for your login and that was just a minor postcript throwaway at the end of the post.
But by all means, please do provide a counterexample of a standalone software or hardware platform that doesn’t request a login. I am waiting with bated breath. Can’t wait for somebody trying to actually define this grudge beyond amorphous rage to see the scope of what’s being requested.
So yeah, please, do go on.
No.
Yes you did. Scroll up.
I’m sorry, does your lie being at the end of a post rather than at the start somehow mean it doesn’t count?
Stop moving the goalposts. You said they force you. Now you’re saying request.
Don’t you remember saying that they force you? Here’s your quote:
And for that I could name a bunch of examples. You don’t have to make a Google account to use an Android phone. You don’t have to make a Nintendo account to play on a Switch. You don’t need an account to play play Blu-rays on a Blu-ray player. My smart TV doesn’t need a Google account or a Sony account. You don’t need an account to watch YouTube. Etc. Those are all hardware, software, or both ecosystems.
How aren’t you understanding that asking (or in the case of monitors, not even asking - to be very clear, you lied about that) for a login and requiring it aren’t the same?
Nobody has an issue with Facebook/Microsoft/Google asking you to sign in. But they absolutely have a problem with it being enforced. Particularly when it’s for something as basic as displaying an HDMI signal.
Well, we do know that you want to litigate the misrepresentation indefinitely.
So you’re lying about what I said. Which always weirds me out because… well it’s still there, you can look at it. Here’s what I said:
You will notice the word “have” is not in fact in that piece of text (well, except for “you have always sucked”). The word “ask” is in that piece of text. If you have questions about the meaning of those words please feel free to look them up.
Now, about your other absurd lie.
You HAVE to make a Google account to use the Google Play store, which is the platform (Android is just the OS). You HAVE to make a Nintendo account to use the eShop, although I do give you partial credit on that one, if you stick to physical media only you can still play some games on it.
Meanwhile, you DO need an account to use, in no particular order: Steam VR, PSVR, Playstation in general, Xbox in general, Apple Vision Pro, an iPhone, GOG, EA Play, and since you’re willing to include services beyond gaming and software, also Kindle, Amazon Prime Video, HBO Max, Netflix, Disney Plus, Paramount Plus, the LG, Samsung and Sony free streaming services, Plex, Spotify, Tidal and so, so many more.
Oh, and Lemmy.
So if Microsoft MAKES you log in to use an Xbox and Sony MAKES you log in to use a PlayStation and Steam MAKES you log in to use… well, Steam and Steam VR, then why are you singling out Meta?
That’s rethorical, by the way, it’s because this was a legitimate issue back in 2020 when they briefly enforced a Facebook log in for both new and existing users and people were legitimately mad for a bit, and then they changed policy after all the backlash but people didn’t want to stop being mad at them for other reasons so here we are. Having to endure the absurd dance of somebody pretending that a company with a closed platform containing a store and a digital distribution service would require a login to operate just like everybody else.
I’m just calling out a lie. I like to do that. I’m sorry that offends you.
Nope.
And they don’t. No monitor asks you to sign in before (or after) using it.
I haven’t lied once, that’s all on you.
Yes? Who said otherwise? The play store isn’t required for you to use your phone.
Please don’t take offence at this, but are you mentally deficient? Of course Android is a platform. In every sense of the word. It’s a platform for apps, it’s a platform for development, it’s a platform for all kinds of things.
Let’s look at the Cambridge definition:
Platform, noun. (Computing)
"the type of computer system or smartphone you are using, in relation to the type of software (= computer programs) you can use on it:
This new personal banking software can be used with any Windows platform.
Both Apple’s iOS and Google’s Android mobile platforms now have emoji keyboards built into their software."
Again, you don’t need the eShop to use a switch.
I also see you ignoring that I mentioned YouTube. Is that not a platform in your confused mind?
Wrong.
Because:
This submission is about Meta. Of course I’m talking about Meta.
It’s a fucking display and gyrometer. It has zero reason to enforce using an account, unlike a storefront/game platform such as steam, which can’t really work without accounts.
I don’t care. I’ve addressed your nonsense regardless.
Was and still is.
Still are, and for good reason.
Nope. For the same reason. They enforce a Facebook/Meta login.
No.
Please STOP with these brazen lies.
NOBODY, and I do literally mean nobody, ever, anywhere, in any capacity, has an issue with Facebook requiring an account to use their storefront.
People do have an issue with Facebook requiring a log in to use a bloody HDMI port on a head mounted display they sell.
You know this, because you’ve already been told, you are just purposely being contrarian because you get off on it or something, I don’t know.
Eh… you don’t seem to know how any of this works.
A Quest isn’t a HMD, it’s a self-contained system. It has its own OS (and Android variant, I believe), it has its own built-in store, it runs its own software right on the SoC built into the device. It very much isn’t “displays and gyrometers”. You can’t even use it as a HMD for a separate computer without booting the OS first and running software on both ends. It operates like a Steam Link (which also requires logging in, by the way).
So… I’m sorry if this frustrates your vitriol, but you are factually wrong about how this operates. I’ve worn my Quest today. I am not lying to you.
As I am not lying to you when I tell you Meta gave up the Facebook login requirement years ago. You can just make a separate Quest account if you want. You can in fact detach your old Facebook account if you had it linked. You can also make multiple accounts on the same device and use them offline. I know because I have that exact setup on my Quest right now.
Don’t think I don’t notice that you’re trying to squirrel out of having lied here by flipping to “a Facebook/Meta account”. It won’t fly. The issue people had was having to tie their headsets to Facebook and their social media ID. Meta accounts can be made freely with just a burner email, just like a PSN or an Xbox account, you don’t need to associate it to anything else. It’s not the same.
Also, please, if you’re just going to respond with factually incorrect monosyllables don’t bother with the quotes, it’s a waste of space.
I’m gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you’re speaking from ignorance here. I am less willing to forgive the sheer amount of rage given how wrong you are on the verifiable facts. Much as you’re in character for a Ferengi, you may want to consider holding back some of that anger for an issue you actually care about. You’re gonna run out.