Genuine question; what’s the difference between DeepSeek gathering data and for example ChatGPT or Gemini?
Three of them are (I assume) great for usage but disastrous regard privacy and data.
Genuine question; what’s the difference between DeepSeek gathering data and for example ChatGPT or Gemini?
because China bad and USA good :(
I mean we can generally agree that China is worse. That doesn’t mean we should willingly donate our data to the US, but if you have to choose between amputating your foot or your little toe it’s an easy decision.
I mean we can generally agree that China is worse.
Can we? Which country had open sourced it’s models and weightings so that the LLM can be run locally and spyfree?
I run deepseek locally so obviously I appreciate that they made that decision, but let’s not pretend that something can’t be given away for free with bad intentions. People running LLMs locally are a drop in the bucket compared to people just downloading an app.
All of them?
Where is the ChatGPT repository?
France, Mistral. There are also many others in US and worldwide.
China is worse when comparing many other factors, but if ALL you care about is whether the model weights are os, then it is usually not decided by countries, but rather companies.
There are also many others in US and worldwide.
We are comparing chatGPT and Deepseek.
China is worse when comparing many other factors
Again, not an opinion everyone agrees on. And this very much depends on which factors are cherry picked.
but if ALL you care about is whether the model weights are os,
If you want privacy then you need to run locally, and to run locally all you do care about is model weights.
then it is usually not decided by countries, but rather companies.
Not sure why this dimension is worth adding to the discussion.
We are comparing chatGPT and Deepseek.
Then why are you asking binary questions about countries? Meta released open source models and weights way before DeepSeek, but I guess that wouldn’t fit into your “China is better” narrative so we’ll just pretend Llama never happened.
Then why are you asking binary questions about countries
Because a highly opinionated binary statement was made about China. I’m not saying China is better than the US. I’m saying it’s not worse.
We are comparing chatGPT and Deepseek.
You asked “which countries”.
not an opinion everyone agrees on.
Only people who don’t have their heads buried in the sand. You can’t possibly believe China is not much much worse than the US. I literally don’t believe you. You’re a bot or a paid actor.
You asked “which countries”.
Countries and LLM model providers associated with those countries.
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All openai data goes to the NSA
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Online deepseek data goes to the CCP. Local models stay private.
You can’t possibly believe China is not much much worse than the US.
When it comes to AI models, China is streets ahead in openness.
But if you are introducing other factors, ask an Iranian what they prefer; money from China or bombs from the US and vassal states?
The only people believing that Americans are superior in everything are Americans.
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I mean we can generally agree that China is worse.
We cannot agree, “comrade.”
US oligarchs have serious sway within EU and Germany in particular. They get their way.
We? More like we…stern imperialists
Yes but you see a white man having control of your data is much better than a colored one!
chatgpt and gemini gather data for the US govt, which is the one actively fucking europe over at the moment. so clearly, deepseek is what they need to worry about.
AFAIK per EU law the collected data has to stay in data centers in the EU, ChatGPT and Gemini at least pretend to conform while Deepseek explicitly states that the data is stored in Chinese data centers.
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This is just xenophobia and political posturing, actual policy is too much to ask.
but why? there is not valid reason to remove only DeepSeek, they should remove AI all together including Gemini and ChatGPT
It’s a cold war thing
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Everyone here knows that not how policy is made.
US corpos tell EU what they need, EU does it. China does not have such sway with EU with some exceptions.
Your regime whore politician would not take a piss on you, if you were on fire.
Germany’s going hard right again. Severe crackdowns on civil rights are escalating. They’re arresting people for posting criticism of political efforts online, ramping up their military, pushing far-right politicians into office, etc.
Time to eradicate the Nazis again.
Bist du dumm oder sowas?
Cope lol
I’m from Spain, we also have problems with nazis, but not so as in Germany, but our left gov has a hard time with these hooligans.
ramping up their military
Naive take on this point tbh… Germany is being forced by its allies to do its share for the alliance. I am sure Germany’s nazi nepo baby leadership would rather be buying Russian gas right now to drive its industrial base but geopolitics are a bitch lol
thank you for gracing us with an example of how a thirteen year old understands the world
