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- sysadmin@lemmy.world
Why do we place so much reliance on one mega company? This level of importance. It should be seized by the government.
It should be seized by the
governmentpeople and mercilessly decentralized.Agree
AWS aggressively pursues high priced and years-long spending commitments with large customers, and they incentivize it with huge discounts for doing so.
And when AWS does this they intentionally incentivize these large customers to migrate existing workloads away from other cloud service providers as well, going so far as to offer assistance in doing so.
And when they hit their end inevitable enshittification, what then?
At that point you’re completely invested in their ecosystem and it’ll cost you triple to get out.
That’s next quarter, after I’ve got my bonus for all these savings.
IbM has entered the chat
Way above my pay grade! I would never suggest or support making such agreements, but I also don’t want to be in a position where I’d even be asked, so I’d just sit back with a bowl of popcorn
Why do we place so much reliance on one mega company? This level of importance.
Because it’s cheaper and (in broad terms) more reliable than everybody having a data centre.
It should be seized by the government.
Oh yeah, what could possibly go wrong if the US government owned Amazon!
So, you changed one cloud provider to another…
But let me rephrase: cloud can be significantly cheaper - if you know what you’re doing and what you’re putting on the cloud.
I’ve been to data centres that cost as much as a decade of cloud hosting the service they were supporting (and that’s without operational costs).
Cloud is especially great for small businesses where you have two alternative options: either build your own data centre which you absolutely cannot afford (or risk making it barely operational and unreliable) or host your company at someone else’s DC - which is what cloud is, but worse (because nobody can set up so much resiliency and have so many DC techs/admins as Microsoft or Amazon).
There absolutely are situations where self-hosting is preferable, and even cheaper, but wondering “why do we place so much reliance” on cloud service providers just shows that people have no clue what cloud actually offers.
Leta give it to Trump and Elon Musk, they will take good care of it… Lol.
Trump will isolate aws to America only, claiming other countries are ripping him off.
Aws becomes American Web Services.
Put tariffs on everybody who doesn’t host US data on their own cloud services.
Yeah. :) 100% tariffs on data transfers out of American Web Services…
Do you really want someone like the magahats having control over something like that?
God no, not the government!
They couldn’t organise a paper bag party
Large corporations and oligarchs are better? I’ll take the government. At least we can vote on them.
I think co-ops are the way to go, but I can understand that someone “just” wanting to purchase the good/service might not see the difference between a co-op and corporation like Amazon.
I don’t think it’s a size issue really, but co-ops generally stay smaller in part due to how they are internally organized compared to a “median” corporation.
I also think that the government actually does a pretty good job at managing things; it’s just their failures are public. Private boondoggles might drive many people into bankruptcy, but they aren’t publicized any more than absolutely necessary.
That’s largely because one half of the elected officials are dedicated to defunding and deconstructing government organizations, so they can then point at those same organizations and go “look, the government doesn’t work! We should stop funding it!” The government is actually great at organizing a lot of things. But they’re all so engrained in society that you don’t even think about them as being organized by the government. Systems that just work, reliably, all the time.
The government’s job is stability and reliability, not being as efficient as possible. Where a corporation may only have one person doing a job, the government will have four or five. Those people aren’t bloat; They’re on the payroll because the government is expected to keep functioning during emergencies. People would lose their minds if the streets department (responsible for clearing downed trees out of public roads) shut down after a bad storm rolled through, just because a few government employees had a tree branch fall on their house. What if firefighters stopped working because a local wildfire burnt a few firefighters’ houses? What if the city water department shut down because three or four city employees’ water supply was affected? What if the health department shut down during a pandemic?
The people who work in government also live in the same areas they serve. Which means that they are affected by the same emergencies. The government needs enough redundancy to be able to continue functioning, even after those employees are affected by the same emergencies as the general public. If some emergency affects 75% of the public in a given area, then 75% of the local government employees are likely going to be affected. So if the government doesn’t have enough redundancy to be able to redistribute the work, people will see their government shutting down in the wake of the emergency. And to make matters even worse, during (and in the wake of) those emergencies, people look to the government for help. Which means that’s the most critical time for the government to continue functioning.
I say all of this because the same is true for the infrastructure that runs critical government systems. The government expands and implements things slowly by design, because everything critical has to go through multiple levels of design approval, and have multiple redundancies built in. If the government has updated a critical system, I can guarantee that new system has been in the works for the past two years at least. That process is designed to ensure everything works as intended. I wouldn’t want my city traffic lights managed by a private company, because they’d try to cut costs and avoid building in redundant systems.
I wouldn’t want my city traffic lights managed by a private company, because they’d try to cut costs and avoid building in redundant systems.
While they aren’t run by private companies, the traffic lights at the entrances to most housing estates are procured and installed by the developer, at least in Australia. Without fail, about 12-24 months later, the red and green LED lights will have half a dozen or more dead pixels on them. Meanwhile, newer LED lights installed by the roads department are still going strong years later.
The one that hits us in self hosted is https://auth.docker.io/
You guys don’t selfhost a registry?
I know this is selfhosted so most people here are hobbyists, but it’s a ton of work to selfhost in enterprise setting. I’d wager 90%+ of people using image registries are using Docker Hub, GHCR, or AWS ECR.
For your personal use, you don’t need an enterprise setting. It’s just a simple compose file that you run.
You can host a registry in pull through mode, so you still have all the images you use locally, but if it’s not in your registry yet, it pulls it from docker hub or whatever.
The only pain point is that a single registry can’t do both. So if you want to push your own docker images AND have a “cache” of stuff from docker hub, you need to run two registries in two different modes. And then juggle the url’s.
I hadn’t actually considered that before. What’s your preferred way to do that?
Harbor
I have just this (which ironically won’t work now cause docker hub is down)
services: registry: restart: always image: registry:2 ports: - 5000:5000 dns: - 9.9.9.9 - 1.1.1.1 volumes: - ../files/auth/registry.password:/auth/registry.password - registry-data:/var/lib/registry environment: REGISTRY_STORAGE_DELETE_ENABLED: true REGISTRY_HEALTH_STORAGEDRIVER_ENABLED: false REGISTRY_HTTP_SECRET: ${REGISTRY_HTTP_SECRET} REGISTRY_AUTH: htpasswd REGISTRY_AUTH_HTPASSWD_REALM: Registry Realm REGISTRY_AUTH_HTPASSWD_PATH: /auth/registry.password # REGISTRY_PROXY_REMOTEURL: "https://registry-1.docker.io/" volumes: registry-data:I don’t even remember how and when I set it up. I think it might be this: https://github.com/distribution/distribution/releases/tag/v2.0.0
Recently somebody has created a frontend, which I bookmarked but didn’t bother to set up: https://github.com/Joxit/docker-registry-ui
How does using Podman help when the registry is down?
Yeah I ran into this as well. Wondered why it needs a call to auth for public container images in the first place.
mirror.gcr.io is google’s public mirror of dockerhub.
Oh god, that just 404s for me
Who wants to bet Amazon gave AI full access to their prod config and it screwed it up.
Or some engineer decide today would be a great day to play with BGP
Yeah, was reading about it here too
Ring doorbells, Alexa, ahh… the joys of selfhosting.
That explains why my Matrix <-> Signal bridge was complaining about being disconnected.
And I’m having a very good day now :3
Are you an IT contractor or something?
In some way, I am, but mainly I feel my need to only use selfhosteable stuff, and selfhost 90% of those services, confirmed.
that is an understatement 😂
This kind of shit will only increase as more of these companies believe they can vibe-code their way out of paying software devs what they are worth.
For some reason I hear Gilfoyle pontificating about what he does
Good
I’m not a was costumer. What’s their usual SLA?
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