Not really you can just download the osm world file and start your own instance.

Yes please!

Ease of setup in exchange for google/amazon spies in your house and your data. Seems like a very bad deal to me.

It’s really not that hard to setup for a basic setup and after that it’s working problem free with all kinds of manufacturers devices, not just one brand.

Haha are you me?!

I’ve just got a Landrover Defender 2023 (75th) and was so glad is just had buttons for everything. I had a touch screen but other than navigation no need to touch it. Even optional analog dials instead of digital.

Was looking at the van equivalent of the new mercedes (v-class) but same ipad horror on the inside. Glad some brand are reversing this silly phase.

And was long time BMW driver before that but I quit 5 series before electric and the hideous grills. Such a shame.

You ok?