In an IGN interview, Valve’s Pierre-Loup Griffais said that “[they] want [SteamOS] to be at the point where at some point you can install it on any PC”. Below is a transcript of the interview. I tried to clean it up to my best ability.
Just like Steam Deck paved the way for Steam OS on a variety of third-party handhelds, we expect that Steam Machine will pave the way for Steam OS on a bunch of different machines in either similar form factors, different perf envelopes, different segments of the market, and get to a good outcome there. We definitely want to encourage people to try it out on their own hardware. We’ll be working on expanding hardware support for the drivers and the base operating system. Just last week, we fixed something that was preventing us from booting on the very latest AMD CPU platforms. Last month, we added support for the Intel Lunar Lake platforms. We’re constantly adding support and improving performance. We want it to be at the point where at some point you can install it on any PC, but there’s still a ton of work to do there.
If the embedded video doesn’t take you to the correct part of the video, the correct timestamp is 5:37.
EDIT: Here’s the written article of the video:
https://www.ign.com/articles/valves-next-gen-steam-machine-and-steam-controller-the-big-interview
Whether you like the idea of SteamOS or not, this will be the easiest way to get Linux into the mainstream for gamers. And at a time when Windows is forcing everyone to buy a new PC it really couldn’t come sooner. If Steam timed this right they could really fuck over Microsoft. I honestly can’t think of a more hilarious scenario in which Windows potentially gets dethroned.
Steam gets a lot of deserved flak for their anti-consumer practices and gambling, but it’s honestly amazing how much they can do as a company. It’s amazing the things you can accomplish when you don’t have shareholders to deal with.
I’ve seen a lot of folks waiting for this to make the switch, it’s silly but having a familiar name attached to it gives them a sense of comfort, and SteamOS is solid for what it is.
I’m not a fan of its whole “read only filesystem” shenanigans and wiping things on upgrade, so I switched my Deck to CachyOS Handheld, but I acknowledge it does those for a reason, adding a safety net to the “console-like” experience for most users. Admittedly that feature may be just the thing some inexperienced users would need in order to not break the thing.
It may limit stuff for a more technical user But for common folks? It makes it reliable, a lot reliable
Yep, exactly
It’s the bell curve meme
I know people (and was, once upon a time, one of them) that are really scared of accidentally breaking something. To them, being told “Don’t worry, the important bits are locked down anyway, so you couldn’t even break them” is a promise of safety. They might not strictly need it, but how would they know in advance?
(I did break things, eventually, and learned that I can fix them too, but I took a leap of faith that most users wouldn’t and probably shouldn’t dare)
I’ve seen a lot of folks waiting for this to make the switch, it’s silly but having a familiar name attached to it gives them a sense of comfort, and SteamOS is solid for what it is.
And should they be not native English speakers, they’ll wonder why the desktop is only in English, why they can’t even check the spelling of their native language. Or why playback of WebM videos glitches.
I really like my Steam Deck and actually use it as desktop PC from time to time but you can tell desktop mode is an afterthought. Traditional Linux distributions are actually a better choice for regular users. Valve luckily open sources and upstreams everything of SteamOS other than the actual Steam client, so it’s not like SteamOS has some special sauce nobody else gets.
What makes it even funnier is, that steam is started by former Microsoft employees
If they release Half Life 3 day 1 of Steam Machine launch, Linux gonna get so much attention, probably biggest bang of the decade.
I 100% agree about this being the opportunity for Linux to be brought into the mainstream but for a different reason.
This will divorce Linux from Linux bros. Most people aren’t interested in doing any of the stuff Linux is good at like running servers, they just want to run their apps.
Right now the only way normie users hear about Linux is by stumbling into a Linux bro who started ranting at them.
While Linux bros have been great for popularizing Linux on the backend and with technical people you literally could not pick a worse demographic to represent a product to the general public.
Microsoft will dominate corporate, SMBs, government and education. That’s what they care about.
When it comes to this i personally tend to agree with what Brodie Robertson always says in his videos about SteamOS. It’s kinda silly to keep waiting for an official release when things like Bazzite exist, but if the SteamOS release helps with more people making the switch, then that’s still a good thing in the end.
I mostly agree with that, but the problem with Bazzite and CachyOS is that they are made by small teams. Distributions made by small teams might die because of some small problem, like a key member of the team being unable to continue with the project. Bazzite team, for example, earlier this year said that they would stop maintaining the OS if a proposed change to Fedora would go through, because their team wouldn’t be able cope with the change.
SteamOS on the other hand, being developed by a company with a lot of money to throw into things, is much more resilient OS, and I think that makes it better for larger masses of users.
Bazzite is downstream from fedora, which i’ll remind you is partially handled by red hat, aka a large ass company with “a lot of money to throw into things”. The bazzite developers only handle a smaller portion of the maintenance that distributions require, and really only as much as they want and are confident in handling.
And yet, as demonstrated by the kerfuffle earlier, they can’t survive if Fedora makes a swing too big for them.
True, but anything running Bazzite could just as easily run Fedora atomic instead and basically no one could tell the difference. Fedora is sponsored by one of the largest tech companies on the planet.
I agree.
But as a sidenote, a few interesting facts:
- Debian is older than Google.
- Arch (2002) and Fedora (2003) both have outlasted more than 298 Google projects.
Those are silly comparisons.
How many distros have failed? How many Linux projects in general? (Since we’re comparing random shit)
I am comparing random things, yes. If you don’t find this trivia interesting, please ignore it.
I am not waiting for it because I personally want to use it. I’m excited for the industry shaping power a Linux OS released by Valve will have.
Guy who owns the online, PC version of Gamestop: “What if we took on Microsoft and kicked those mfers in the balls?”
I really hope they sell the GabeCube in retail outlets. It’ll be a Linux machine you can just plug in and use. A lot of people will buy it as a console and then realise it works fine as a PC. That’s the kind of promotion Linux needs right now.
I am very excited for steamos, give me my VR capabilities on Linux and I’ll say goodbye to Windows forever.
I installed cachyOS and love it so far, KDE plasma is nice. Used Linux mint before. Didn’t try vr yet because my GPU died and 1060 3GB won’t run or well but I hope it will run fine thanks to steam.
Nvidia please make a dedicated driver team for Linux. IIRC one of the biggest stumbling block for a general SteamOS release is subpar Nvidia performance on DX12 games that can get around 30% performance degradation. Even Valve assigned a team of engineers to work on this specifically.
There is a fix coming for the Nvidia performance problem. It’s going to take some months for all the pieces to fall in place. See this video for more about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpXINAMaljA
Nvidia’s shit Linux support is why I’ve been stuck with Windows despite how badly I want to switch to Arch. You get no Nvidia Control Panel, no Nvidia App, no ShadowPlay, no RTX HDR, no 3D Settings panel; basically the only thing you can do with an Nvidia GPU on Linux is render 3D graphics. Which is fine if all you do with your PC is CAD or non-competitive SDR gaming. But I paid for all these extra features and so I’d like to use them.
Can’t even switch to an AMD GPU, either, because I like Ray Tracing too much, so I’m stuck waiting on Nvidia to get their shit together (or AMD to finally release a GPU that can handle RT @ 4K120) before I can finally ditch Microsoft for good.
I put SteamOS on my handheld and turned it into my main PC. I haven’t missed Windows even slightly.
I hate Microsoft shoving AI down our throats. I will not upgrade to AI Windows. I just don’t want to port over to a new OS because: (1) I like 10’s GUI, (2) I don’t trust an OS that I might not be able to run word or excel on because I do so much on them, and (3) my version of Windows doesn’t have ads on it.
As others have mentioned - and to add my own opinion: In terms of Writer (Word) and Calc (Excel), LibreOffice is by far better than M$ for everyone who isn’t for some reason an absolute fan of searching for buttons that have the function they need by looking at tiny icons.
A friend’s response to me yet again trying to push Linux on them, all unprovoked:
“Windows is getting increasingly shit. I’ve had a login problem for most of the year on my work machine where the cloud stuff won’t sync. I can’t even use Notepad now because it’s cloud-connected. I have to use Excel in the browser for similar reasons. I’d love to be able to move to Linux for everything, but I also cannot be fucked to maintain a Windows machine let alone a Linux one haha.”
This is exactly the kind of person SteamOS is going to capture, I think. The same way, Mint helped kill that whole “my operating system is my hobby” vibe.
I’ve not used SteamOS as a desktop. I own a Steam Deck, but I do think SteamOS is nearly there as an everyday user platform. It’s just a bit more aggressive with settings resets and data overwrites compared to something like Bazzite, which makes it not great for full desktop use yet. I’ve deep dove into nix this month and been making my own tools to bounce off the way NixOS works, like tests before switches and auto uploading to GitHub made a little webui control center etc. I could see Valve doing something similar with their OS to overcome current SteamOS’s issues and improve things for an end user
Why do you think Bazzite isn’t great for full desktop use?
You mis-read or I wrote it badly, I think Bazzite is awesome for everyday desktop (see my post history) Steamos isn’t as it stood when it was an unofficial release as it was purely designed for the deck so it would do things like overwrite settings when it updated. Bazzite was the steamOS for normal everyday desktop and non-deck builds for me.
it’s fine for average users but if you really want to use it for something other than browsing or gaming you really have to use it with Distrobox. And that’s fine, bit of extra work to set up but honestly if you’re going to use something that is beyond web browsing, streaming, and gaming you’re probably going to go with a different distro anyways.
Distrobox isn’t really an option I went with for day to day, I’d use it to keep my projects and dependencies under control. Flatpak was fine, app image was fine, I actually spun up my own template after a bit https://github.com/Sirico/bazzite-dev. Beyond adding a couple of programs and theming, I couldn’t see why I’d need to be in the files silverblue/ublue lock off.
I’m now on nix because I have a lot of stuff to do at work that I was playing about with bluefin for, but nix has more support etc. Knowing that hitting the power button will get me to the desktop every morning bar a hardware issue is for me the biggest win. Making something I can just update throughout a whole fleet and doing it all within GitHub or code is a game changer. So for me immutable are no different to convent distros great for basic stuff like you said browsing etc and good for the high-end stuff it’s this middle ground where people have to learn a new way of doing something it feels like it falls apart I think.
I feel like I see this comment every time immutable distros are mentioned (of course Bazzite most of all).
Sorry but you’re wrong.
please, tell me why I’m wrong. I’m not a fan of immutable distros as I feel they’re limiting but I’d love to be convinced otherwise.
With immutables you can do pretty much everything you do on a normal distro. I code, flash microcontrollers, design and print 3d parts, write documents, draw, manage my servers, consume media… What exactly do you think you can’t do? You can install pretty much anything, actually with distrobox you can install more stuff than you would without it: you can install packages for one distribution that may not be available on some others. Flatpak works, and you also have AppImages of course.
The biggest limit with Bazzite & C is that you’re limited to KDE or Gnome mostly, but if you really wanted you could layer something else on top of the base image.
Cool, me to.
I am very excited for steamos, give me my VR capabilities on Linux and I’ll say goodbye to Windows forever.
If this a video about an interview why not also link the interview?
Thanks for the link. Tried to find the article before posting, but couldn’t.
If all the games I had worked on steam os I’d switch to Linux in a heartbeat.
Do it goddammit!
This probably means we’re soon going to see third party gaming laptops with SteamOS preinstalled in electronics stores.
