Hah, guess they’re gonna have to run Linux. Windows 11 would choke on 8 GB RAM.
lmaooooo
I agree, funny enough they require minimum 4 GB, but I had problems with it with 16 GB. 8 GB is nowhere near enough, especially if you use excel, teams, and that crap.
I have to use windows at work, have 32gb and regularly get browser tabs unloaded for low memory. I’m not running VMs or anything. Usually just Firefox, visual studio, and slack.
Personal computer is Linux with 16gb and that’s more than enough.
Same here. Modern 32 gb machine from work is a slog. 2 minutes from wake to actually working, can be 10 seconds just to use the start menu sometimes. Older thinkpad with 16gb and linux/cosmic desktop - wakes almost instantly and perfectly snappy for most things.
I have 64gb 32 for vm and 32 for host, security software eats it all. I pity the poor bastards on the 8gb work laptops. My project is funded separately from all the others so we got to order our own laptops. Our previous laptops sucked at 32gb total.
an 8gb pc with win11 is today’s equivalent of running vista on 1gb.
It’s neat that AI is already ruining the world in really tangible ways.
So RAM costs them more now, and they need to pass those costs onto customers. However, it seems like they’re also trying to redefine what “mid-range” means to us all, as if we aren’t fully aware of what computers are capable of and what amount of memory is good vs not. Making the various ranges cost more is intuitive. Enshitifying the ranges to sell them at the same price is just antithetical to the whole concept of the ranges…
It’s like if batteries got stupid expensive and they tried to tell us 200km of range is what you get in a touring EV these days. But the distances between all the places haven’t changed…
I speak on behalf of all IT Support personnel everywhere when I say “fuck you”
“WHY IS IT SO SLOW?!?!?!”
Soldered in, or upgradeable at least? The former would be a huge reason to never buy the newest gen of laptops.
EDIT: Missed in article, yeah this would suck if they stick to soldered RAM for ultra-thins.
Another problem manufacturers face is with notebooks that ship with soldered DRAM. In particular, ultrathin designs would need to be revamped to modify their configurations.
Those soldered low RAM ones are going to be in the dump a lot sooner.
Excellent. Hopefully some of them will have hardware that supports #openBSD that I can pick up for pennies on the dollar. I believe the #thinkpad x1 carbon is already on soldered RAM. I can see many in the #Linux crowd stand to profit handsomely from this, given their much more broad hardware support 😜
Cheap homelab.
mid-range laptops to 8GB
My not-terribly-new phone has 12GB of memory, and I’m pretty sure that Android is a lot lighter on memory than the Windows 11 that I suspect a lot of these are going to be running.
Don’t worry Microsoft will shove as much agentic AI bullshit into Windows 11 as they can, further ruining performance.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifications
Minimum system requirements for Copilot+ PCs
RAM: 16 GB DDR5/LPDDR5
I think that OpenAI has probably kind of bashed a hole in the bottom of Microsoft’s boat on the local AI stuff, if 8GB is going to be midrange.
But AI can download RAM.
/s
That too on ARM. Whereas modern applications on Windows (and Mac, Linux) even on high performance x86 sucks so much. Slack and Chrome are two of the worst pieces of software ever designed by humans.
Does midrange being at 8GB mean that entry level will be 4GB? because I know corpos are gonna be corpos.
(I don’t think windows even run at 4GB lmfao)
Edit: Also, this RAM shortage might force people to use Linux 😁
Seems to me like there will be a split. A lot of critical thinkers that are frugal will move to Linux and up its market-share, but there will also be a lot of deals that companies make with cloud computing platforms as well for their employees instead of purchasing new laptops (which will probably also allow them to cut back on their IT staff).
Those that are still lost when it comes to tech from 20 years ago will also buy into cloud compute platforms just because they use it at work and can’t be arsed to learn something slightly different.
Yeah, this could spell the end for local installs of Microsoft office. Gdocs and o365 for everyone. Not sure if thats a win or loss.
I see it wholly as a loss, because it advances the idea of subscriptions for anything and everything, and Microsoft will be right there on the front lines taking advantage of the new revenue stream (so losing local installs won’t hurt them at all and is what they’re going for).
Windows 11 can run on 4GB. That’s the minimum for the listed requirements, and the other day, I saw Best Buy selling a 4GB model, and I see some systems for sale online. I would imagine that it’s not ideal.
Even on an 8gb or 16gb system Windows uses over 4gb on a fresh boot. At 4gb it’s going to be swapping to fish non-stop. The disk will be thrashed and be dead in a year of use.
Im really surprised Microsoft hasn’t already come out with a chrome-os like neutered version of windows specifically for this.
‘entry level’ specs have been 4gb ram for over a decade, and they’re still selling shit-tier laptops with only that today.
For the price of 16GB?
More like for the price of 64GB.
For the price of 32GB, if you’re lucky. Hopefully it’s 8gb in a single stick so upgrading is cheaper, even if that means single channel ram speeds out of the box
better start removing AI from Windows then… holy fucj my 16gb is barely holding up with windows11 that in forced to use on my work PC. slow as BALLS, it’s just raping the entire system performance constantly
I wonder what’s going to happen to the electron frontends if machines are bottlenecked by ram so bad. Wasn’t facebook just planning to switch whatsapp’s frontend to webview as well? And win11’s desktop is electron too. Everyone was acting like ram is unlimited.
Don’t worry, you’ll just need to subscribe to My Windows Copilot Cloud+ to get access to a virtual PC with plenty of RAM from anywhere! It’ll be powerful enough you’ll barely notice us logging all your actions and blocking anything we don’t like.
I have win11 on a work surface laptop pro with 16gb and I’m consistently at 15+GB used. This is corporate bloat. How do I know? I have a personal surface pro 6 with win11 and 16gb and it runs like a breeze.
Corporate bloat is such bullshit.
If there’s anything corporate IT is good at it’s bullshit and security theater. Can they stop corporate espionage? Of course not. Can they make it really annoying for employees to access data they need for their job: ✅. But at least they’re “compliant” with some rules that aren’t even particularly well-documented.
Security is all theatre. When NIST says make secure passwords and never change them but your fortune 500 infosec policy tells you to rotate your password every 30 days?
LOL
And those companies’ policies cascade out because of the incestuous nature of company boards. Some dumbass who is C__ at one company and member of the board at another says you gotta do the same to be compliant and since it’s all theater they comply rather than push back. Corporations are dumb.
Does NIST actually said that? Secure pwd+no change it?
Yes. Pwd change should only be on evidence of compromise assuming you have made a secure password.
tbf a lot of that crap is mandated by insurance compliance requirements
Being fair isn’t in my quarterly OKRs
no, but it isn’t necessarily the fault of whom you might think it is that there needs to be 2 or 3 other ram hogs installed
…do we really need to use the word “raping” to talk about PC performance or can we agree that there are a hundred other words that fit better in that spot?
EDIT: Wooo free downvotes. Y’all are a bunch of snowflakes. I tried to make a point on behalf of others, since there are people who have traumatic lived experience with the concept of “rape” and would probably prefer not to be reminded of it. Nobody serious about computing is going to go out and say “this process is raping the performance” because it’s just not a good idea. I bet you (if in tech field) wouldn’t say it in front of your boss. But sure, call me sensitive and pull out a semantic argument.
I can smell you through your screen. Go take a shower and try being human.
sometimes facing fears is a better way to overcome problems. hiding or making everyone avoid things that bother you or were a traumatic experience doesn’t help anyone.
I used this word because it’s definition applys to the scenario. It’s the act of pilaging and plundering of my system resources by microsoft and other monitoring tools with no recourse but to abandon them. rape is a perfectly fine word to use. if it was strictly limited to sexual acts, I wouldn’t have used it.
edit: I use this word at work too and have no issues with it both verbally and written. moreso verbally because people can’t apply multi definitions of words and always assume 1 main definition
I know it’s hard, but you’ll get through this. One day at a time, step by step, things will get easier. Some days it might not feel like you’re making any progress; Some days you’ll feel like you’re moving backwards. But time heals all wounds. You’ve got this, eventually you won’t even remember their comment existed. Stay. Strong. Keep fighting.
Hah. I never even said the comment hurt me.
I’m just speaking on behalf of those who have been hurt. If you can’t recognize why someone might do that, you’re either a rape apologist or you’re an incel troll. Probably both.
Its going to be okay. We all run from our feelings sometimes.
This wouldn’t be much of an issue if most of the laptops nowadays didn’t come with soldered in ram and no options of expanding.
So it remains shit quality even if RAM gets more affordable at some reasonable point in the future.
I boycott those.
Apparently there are m.2 NVMe drives with DRAM caches.
I don’t know if anyone makes a pure DRAM NVMe drive — it’d forget its contents every boot — but if so, on Linux, you could make the block device a swap partition.
What. My six year old cheapo Acer laptop that got my broke ass through college had 16gb ram. My raspberry pi has 8gb of ram.
lol lets fuck all other computational sciences so that people can generate cats drinking whiskey in robes de chambre.
Guys this is good news, maybe google and mozilla will figure it out and stop making their applications the biggest ram hogs in human history, taking more ram to render a few documents than it takes to render a AAA game. Or at least stop benchmarking a browser with 1 page open and saying look, 1 page only takes a gig of ram and most users, at least in our imagination, only have 1 page open.
Jk
Just go back to “native” apps and not all this web tech bloated crap.
This is the world in which we live. Firefox and google are the only folks who can fix it. Whether it’s killing tabs more aggressively or something else, they have the power in their hands. They just don’t want to (documented, in writing).
It’s the web as it exists now. It can’t be fixed gradually, or at least that’s harder than to design from scratch a replacement with same abilities, but fewer levels of abstraction, less bloat, making a client application in reasonable time being possible. Probably with architecture and semantics centered around how social networks and messengers work, not just hypertext. Visiting a webpage and reading a group chat are different ideas, the latter doesn’t imply connecting to one specific location. Again, that’s something that was understood since Usenet. Just no public system like Usenet, but not morally obsolete, emerged to be popular.
Dell and Lenovo price gouge consumers
FTFY
Windows 11 is actually unusable on 8GB RAM
