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How many are there?
It depends.
See, that’s not helpful. The right answer is to direct someone to this GitHub project:
https://github.com/FabioLolix/LinuxTimeline
The releases page contains a 3420x12488 PNG to provide a simple and concise answer.
I can see my OS from here!
Doesn’t even have CachyOS. Smh
If you know how to edit a comma-separated-value text file and how to submit a PR on GitHub, you could make the image larger.
I just have to assume you’re a troll at this point. That graphic is not helpful at all to anyone except those that care about the history of Linux. For everyone else it’s useless. I was making a joke about how one of the distros I use isn’t on there. I don’t know the history of my distro and honestly do not care. Any noob also would not care.
i am not religious, but oh god…
“Simple and concise”
I always assumed webOS was Linux but I expected it to be a fork of Debian
WebOS was made by Palm Inc., one of the earliest and quite successful manufacturer of ‘personal digital assistant’ devices, aka smartphones without the phone part (and later with that too). They originally developed and licensed their own OS, PalmOS, but needed an upgrade for multitasking and such. webOS was thus intended for those PDA devices, and Debian would of course be a ridiculous choice for the task.
I have warm memories of PalmOS: i was snappy as heck with the 16 MHz CPU, but that’s largely because of the ‘single-tasking’ and quite limited app functionality.
All you need to know is that, whatever you pick, you made the wrong choice and you will be roasted if you ever attempt to explain your decision.
Unless you use Arch, then you have chosen correctly.
Urgh! Why did you choose Arch? It is just the worst!
Actual reenactment:
Screams in Debian…
You mispelt gentoo
Not true, you just become immune to the opposition.
Arch is utterly inferior because of its use of the Systemd “init” system, which is a bloated mess that completely disregards the Unix philosophy of doing one thing and doing it well, and shouldn’t be forgotten for its sins and heresy. “Arch Linux” (Really Arch Gnu/Linux, or more preferably Arch Gnu+Linux (Unless you consider that Gnu runs on top of Linux, in which case it’s Linux+Gnu)) cannot be taken seriously as a minimal do it yourself distro when it hinges on an software that has ties with RedHat, which has had a history of forcing their woke Wayland Display Server (Even though Xorg worked just fine, suspicious much?), as well as their DEI onto the entire Linux space - where politics shouldn’t play any role. A WOKE company like RedHat has no place in the open source community. If you want to be a true and righteous Linux user, I recommend Either Void Linux+Gnu (What manly men like myself use) or Gentoo.
Edit: this is satire, I clearly interact with these people far too often to have done this good of a job.
It says something about how sad of a state the world is in when I can’t tell if this is satire or not.
The age of the account makes it even more nebulous
Lmao, I just made this account, yeah. It’s not my first Lemmy account. I made an account on lemmy.world back in 2023 I think (lost the account), and a PieFed account earlier this year, which I hardly used. I thought I could use a fresh start. (And sorry for the ambiguous satire)
I don’t think that’s on you. Like the person above said it’s more to do with how the world is rn
I had to read until “manly man” to confirm it was satire
Void Linux+Gnu
Uhh, it’s GNU SLASH Linux actually
Edit: this is satire, I clearly interact with these people far too often to have done this good of a job.
Imagine if The Onion had to say this.
Your target audience understood, the people downvoting probably are Ubuntu users anway.
OP is posting AI slop and plagiarizing other people’s work. Lead image seems a cyanide and happiness cartoon, but it’s a blatent ripoff, and they watermarked it with their own username to boot. And no communication out transparency around any of that as well
“not again” as a punchline is the level of creativity I’d expect from a slopper
I think there needs to be proof given when you accuse people of ai slop, this is not to say it’s not a slop mime of course it is: it’s I think people tend to forget why AI slop is not so great: the average person it trained on is not that great.
Now sure if you find a Loading artist with the frames the same we know what it was lifted from vs it just being a mimic of style, sure AI or not we could say it’s a bit too close in style to be a independent derivative.
But let’s be real you were not going to ever be paid for some off the top random meme the question is should op have bothered posting… Honestly likely not.
Their profile banner has LLM and a heart spray painted on a wall. Its ai slop
Maybe your intention with this comment was more noble, but it’s full of typos/autocorrect and odd tense (I wasnt going to be paid?) that make it very difficult to follow?
But from what I can read, your position is that the burden of proof for fraud is on the audience and not the person creating the deceptive work? I don’t agree. And if I start a business, I need to hold trademark for my logo and patents for my novel designs and utilities - SO THAT I DEFEND MYSELF WHEN CHALLENGED.
Why isn’t your assertion that OP should need to provide proof that their work is original OR openly label it as AI (theft). Again, in this case OP is working to pass this off as original work (as you can see by them literally taking extra time to watermark their counterfeit work).
Lead image seems a cyanide and happiness cartoon,
It doesn’t claim to be a Cyanide and Happiness cartoon anywhere in the cartoon.
You’re an unserious person
I love Lemmy. I hate AI posters.
Where AI?
There’s a few tell tale signs but look at the USB ports on the laptop.
Ah, I see.
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doesn’t seem like AI, what makes you think so?
I’ve seen enough AI generated media to know when one is AI.
Some of them you need to open the image in a new tab/full-screen it to see.
The ports on the laptop are different in each image.
The resolution of the ports is much, much higher than other parts of the image.The image has a bunch of fake compression artifacts.
One character in the second panel has an eyebrow, the others don’t. The line-weight on the eyebrow doesn’t match the rest of the comic. That character has its mouth open, but the speech bubble isn’t connected.
I see
Holy sneaky AI image, Batman!
Fuck this is getting hard.
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Red shirt guy’s eyebrow is a bit weird
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Ports on the laptop change every frame.
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Scrollbars are a bit weird
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Text in computer window doesn’t line up with grey windows in the vertical direction.
Biggest giveaway are the fake compression artefacts.
And here I thought everything in this comic was just sweating profusely, including the words on the laptop screen.
I was wondering if those compression artifacts were real.
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Straight up stealing from the Cyanide and Happiness with the artstyle too. Sigh…
Choice is good when you can make an informed choice. Choice is bad if you are forced to make a decisions where you have no idea of the consequences.
There are many correct distro choices (except Ubuntu), but the only correct desktop environment is KDE Plasma.
If Cosmic keeps evolving, it could win me over.
KDE is good for a first go at Linux. I started with SUSE, ages ago, which was nice enough.
But by now, I’m just more of a gnome fan. I don’t know how that will change if I dig deeper into window management logic, but right now, it just works for me.
You think choosing your Linux distro is bad, imagine having to choose your electricity, water, internet, phone, banking, and insurance provider as well as your local councillor, workplace, school, career, entertainment, childcare, car, house, food, etc.
This “love choice, hate choosing” is a really valuable thing to understand.
Edit it is so perfectly fitting for the Linux community to respond with mostly criticisms and negations to these flowcharts I shared without a single negative commenter actually suggesting a different similar helpful resource for newbies to Linux who feel overwhelmed or adding something productive and helpful to the conversation.
Do better y’all.
You can’t condescend these resources and pretend with a handwave like there are better ones out there, you gotta prove it. If you are going to pick apart these charts then you gotta make a new chart or link me to a better one, I don’t care about your condescending minor criticisms of the specifics of the flowcharts, that is irrelevant input unless you are going to edit a flowchart and make a new one or add something else productive.
I feel like I am inside a meme making fun of Linux users right now lol.
https://piefed.blahaj.zone/post/347408
https://lemmy.ca/post/53099450
I appreciate the effort put into this but if answering yes to “are you new to Linux?” leads to the follow up question “apt or rpm?” then there’s a problem.
Exactly. One is a package format and/or local package utility, and the other is a frontend to do downloads and updates for that local package utility.
Should be “rpm or dpkg” — assuming that we’re excluding the other options — and then if someone chooses RPM, you can start talking about the frontend:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RPM_Package_Manager
Front ends
Several front-ends to RPM ease the process of obtaining and installing RPMs from repositories and help in resolving their dependencies. These include:
- yum used in Fedora Linux, CentOS 5 and above, Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 and above, Scientific Linux, Yellow Dog Linux and Oracle Linux
- DNF, introduced in Fedora Linux 18 (default since 22), Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8, AlmaLinux 8, and CentOS Linux 8.
- up2date used in Red Hat Enterprise Linux, CentOS 3 and 4, and Oracle Linux
- Zypper used in Mer (and thus Sailfish OS), MeeGo,[16] openSUSE and SUSE Linux Enterprise
- urpmi used in Mandriva Linux, ROSA Linux and Mageia
- apt-rpm, a port of Debian’s Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) used in Ark Linux,[17] PCLinuxOS and ALT Linux
- Smart Package Manager, used in Unity Linux, available for many distributions including Fedora Linux.
- rpmquery, a command-line utility available in (for example) Red Hat Enterprise Linux
- libzypp, for Sailfish OS
Then for
dpkg, you can choose from amongaptitude,apt,apt-get/apt-query/etc, graphical frontend options likesynapticthat one may want to use in parallel with the TUI-based frontends, etc.Sure, but my point was that someone new to Linux can only answer that question with “what the fuck are those”
You’ve completely missed the point. If you’re new to Linux you have no clue what those are and shouldn’t care.
These are magnificent. Now I can turn off my brain lol.
I judge distro chooser flowcharts by whether they correctly point me to Slackware. These both pass.
Lots of pro-Ubuntu propaganda in those flow charts. At this point, Ubuntu of any flavor shouldn’t be recommended to anyone. There are always better alternatives.
Redox is UNIX-like, not a BSD flavor. The kernel, init, userland, etc. aren’t BSD related.
Top one is bonkers, would not recommend using it except for meme purposes.
ah, classic hangup. you’re looking for Debian with KDE
No no, don’t use KDE…
/s
JFCLM
Just Fucking Choose Linux Mint.
Nah. I’m a gamer and need something with more up to date packages. I can’t rely on Debian / Ubuntu base.
Fedora and Arch base are my go to.
If you know what you want then you’re not the person depicted in this comic.
I’m a gamer too and i’m not sure what is about that, everything seems fine on the 6.12 kernel LMDE is on.
Ditto. Also a gamer on Linux Mint and never once had a problem.
I’m using Kubuntu LTS and I’m gaming just fine.
mint doesnt even offer kde, i dont see the point.
cant use gnome after realizing all the terrible usability choices/lack of customizability options is deliberate, people really will powertrip/gatekeep the weirdest shit
I think Zorin OS did a really good job at customizing Gnome to make it the way it should have been. As for limiting customizeability, I don’t think that’s necessarily bad. Sometimes I get overwhelmed by KDE’s customization options. Vanilla Gnome has too little. Zorin’s desktop is just right.
But that’s my opinion.
yeah i dont hate gnome users or even if i have to use gnome, but i do hate the conceptual approach to functionality they take, as you mention.
They can try Kubuntu (or whatever) live whenever they’re ready. Beginners just need something that works with minimal configuration.
kubuntu is trash. you have to wait forever for kde updates and not everyone wants to use ubuntu / derivatives. it just seems like everyone is so stubborn and just says mint. tons of distros “just work” out of the box with minimal configuration, even some based on arch.
really i only have one opinion here that im strong on, and its that i feel cinnamon is a waste of time for many (new people).
kubuntu is trash
That’s like… your opinion, man.
true
I added the backports ppa for Kubuntu and it gets updates quickly
If you know what KDE is you can make an informed choice. Mint is the recommendation for people who just want something easy to get started with.
this touches on my point exactly. i find that due to the “over recommendation” of mint/cinnamon, that many new people will inevitably “waste time” with cinnamon. this is a feeling i have that frustrates me, is all. KDE is exactly as easy to get started with as is cinnamon.
anyway cheers :)
Cinnamon >>>>>>> KDE, you can install KDE regardless, but cinnamon is plainly better IMO.
Why is it better? KDE has more features and first-class Wayland support. If I wanted an X11 DE, I would choose XFCE because of its general clean code and performance.
it comes to personal preference i guess, but i find KDE clunky at times and not that ergonomic, even when you customize it a bit, like adding centre spaces to put things in the panels.
Cinnamon feels polished and relatively simple while still being highly customizable.
You’re not wrong. I think there’s definitely room for some improvements.
And sometimes too many customizations can become confusing. I tend to keep everything vanilla to avoid things breaking, except for a few things. I installed a Win 10 theme and even a Win 10 style Tile start menu because I love the concept so much.
I know it’s controversial in a Linux community, but I absolutely LOVED the Windows 10 ergonomics. Square, flat, predictable, and your eyes can quickly pick up the necessary information and you can navigate faster with a mouse. Plus with the Powertoys that added the fancy zones feature, that was perfect. I get all of this in KDE.
is reasonable to say, that W10, specially years ago, was one of the good windows, specially with a debloater.
there were a lot of shit in the middle but yeah, Cinnamon feels like “what if the windows desktop was made with love and passion”.
wdym by ergonomic in this context, may i ask?
you get to develop muscle memory faster, configurations are easier to find, and things start simple and become complex when you need them to get complex instead of always be kinda complex.
Also, I hate dolphin, it is quite bad, you can’t open files with sudo directly, you have to navigate trough various menus to find the button for that, is also harder to read IMO.
i think i explained it poorly, but i mean you get the hang of things faster, and usually stuff is where is more convenient for for them to be.
I don’t hate KDE, if Cinnamon wasn’t a thing, i would go for it, but as things stands now, I prefer cinnamon.
hey right on, appreciate the thoughtful reply. i cant say i share the same experience, but now i understand where youre coming from.
side note, im new(ish) to lemmy and im really appreciating the quality of the takes im seeing on here. refreshing feeling, so cheers to adding to that.
better how?
lol no. Completely failed to run 90% of my games and had audio popping no matter what I did with pulsewire or whatever. If a noob encounters that they’re never using Linux again.
how long ago was that? what GPU? what kernel version?
is something odd
It was 6 months ago when I finally switched to Linux. I tested several distros. Zorin and Mint both had numerous, numerous problems.
Nvidia 3080. No clue what kernel version, just installed the default from the website (full install, not a live image).
hmmmm, back then mint did have quite an old kernel, but you could update it to a newer version trough the update manager, but now is not a problem beacuse in the new releases of LM 22 and LMDE 7, they ship with a fresh kernel.
Six months ago??? People were saying to use mint back then too, like every thread. I understand it’s completely based on your hardware but you can understand how it’s hard to trust anyone saying mint right? On the other hand CachyOS and Garuda both work really hard to make sure every hardware config works properly.
Well, they updated it, they updated it heavily.
Bazzite is good now and you don’t have to spend hours trying to install Nvidia drivers
in linux mint there is a buton, that says “driver installer” you press on it, select what version (choose the recommended one) then press install.
I did not know that! I was thinking about my issues on Debian and assumed Mint had a similar process
if you use LMDE is still a bit easier because the sources are already added, “sudo apt install nvidia-driver” and then use the envy control program to configure it properly.
If you have recent hardware mint is not a good choice. Otherwise yes.
This is not true anymore.
the kernel in mint 22.2 is from march and fingerprint reader support is still poor
see heres the problem, youre doing that in the wrong order.
first figure out your DE/WM preference, THEN choose a package manager with the repos that will best support that for your use case and update cycle preferences. (the distro)
It depends.
ok true
Choose a distro that supports upgrades between releases.
no thanks, i enjoy a rolling release
Honestly, this is partially what is gatekeeping Linux. People hate making choices, especially when it is a new world. We should promote one distro with one desktop as the “best linux for Windows users”, ideally immutable with a flatpack store.
And no, fuck Canonical.
What have I missed? Canonical was the “best Linux” for newbies. Widest online support and easy to update. Did they become bad somehow?
Even though Ubuntu tends to be easy to use, the company behind it is doing some stupid unnecessary shit, which is proprietary and they believe they always have to invent the wheel themselves instead of contributing/adopting already existing solutions.
Anyways, they are still by miles better than Microsoft, but I bet that they will monetize even heavier, when the market share of Linux rises in the future.
I guess I’m not tracking that they’ve done anything actively evil yet, so as a relative novice I don’t understand the disdain.
It is something you tend to see when you, when you actively use any linux distribution and come across some Canonical stuff.
Anyways, in simple terms: Canonical wants you to believe that Linux would be dead without them. But all users know that they won’t be missed for a second.
Take everything I say with a grain of salt. They are not that bad. They just don’t fit into the Linux ecosystem.
Fedora Atomic Budgie is where I’ll probably set my boomer parents up next, with a framework laptop for each.
Good idea. Recently I started using Bazzite. I was never a huge fan of Fedora, but as a SysAdmin, you have different priorities, which is why I always ended up using Debian or Gentoo, even on the clients.
But for Linux newbies, Fedora Atomic will be awesome!
KDE plasma gas been braindead easy on my ancient laptop as a first time linuxer! My next experiment is gonna be Bazzite on my desktop. Kinda seems like I’ll find the differences as I try new distros, then be better suited to form a preference for myself. Then eventually I’ll be on Arch btw…
make it without AI and try again
What makes you say this was made with AI? Not exactly doubting you, but curious about your methods.
the attempt to mimic compression artifacts, they are just random lines throughout the edges of the image
the computer ports, they are different every time
the hand in the bottom left frame, it is drawn weirdly and bleeding into the other line
the guy’s random eyebrow in the middle right frame
and also, click on OP’s profile and look at the banner
