This is bait.
And I’m ready to
fishCurrently using
zshbut I installedfishyesterday to try it out because I’m thinking of switching. All thezshplugins I have are basically just replicating whatfishhas by default anyway and fish might do it better.Plus, look at your name!
Just whatever you do, don’t
ln -s /bin/fish /bin/shWho the fuck would do that 😭
I jumped from bash to fish because cachy os has it as default. I kinda don’t like it, it’s a little too fancy, but it’s not bad enough for me to bother switching the default to bash. So I’m using it. Still not quite liking it but maybe it’s growing on me.
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It’s actually windows
It’s actually not Unix-like.
Search for whatever passes for a terminal in microslop machine
Top result is Terminal from 2018
As far as I can tell it is some kind of action thriller movie?
0/10 garbage experience
Movie was terrible also
C:\WINDOWS\system32>echo $0 $0 C:\WINDOWS\system32>In Powershell, it exits with no output
Oh yay, more tribalism.
Yay? Everybody knows you should use paru! /s
I am a pureblood and do all the computing I need in my head.
I have never really ever used bash and thought, "Man, I wish my shell was better . . . ". Using ctrl+r to recall past commands, using sudo !! to fix missing permissions and writing small bash scripts all work very well.
That being said, if you use anything else, and you like it, I’m happy for you, but I do wonder, what leads people to other shells? What problems do they have with bash?
To me, it genuinely makes a huge difference that I don’t have to manually press Ctrl+R for history search. Because 9 times out of 10, I accept a history suggestion from Fish where I did not think about whether it would be in my history.
This includes really mundane commands, like
cd some/deeply/nested/path/. You would not believe, how often I want tocdinto the same directory.
But I’ve also had it where I started typing a complicateddocker runcommand and Fish suggests the exact command I want to write, because apparently I already ran that exact command months ago and simply forgot.I used bash for 20 years and, while I obviously knew that there were alternatives, it never seemed necessary to switch. Tried fish on a whim a few months ago and I will never go back.
I switched to zsh at a time where completion for commands parameters except file paths in bash wasn’t really a thing, you could add some with a script, but they didn’t work well. I’m sure the situation has improved by now, but someone told me recently, there are still no descriptions for the completions. I find it very helpful and it saves me opening a man page a lot of times. For example, typing
grep -<Tab>gives me this:
And now I’m so used to many little features (mostly around the syntax) that wouldn’t be a reason to switch on their own, that I find bash cumbersome to use.
I script everything in bash, but for everyday use
fishjust has some modern QoL things that make it easier to get around. For me, specifically, it’s the way you can recall commands by seeing a ghost version of your history, as you type. You can even scroll through a filtered history if you’re part-way through typing some long command that matches what you have typed.Another neat thing, it does it’s best to predict what I want to type and remembers common locations, showing them as ghost text as well.
Default zsh is just bash, you need to add all the fancy plugins to get it to do cool stuff
fish is for people who don’t want to spend the time setting it all up and to just get a shell that has most of the QoL fetaures builtin.
But I’m a compliant little bitch for POSIX daddy
I tried switching to Nushell but certain things just wouldn’t work so I switched back to zsh. sha512sum wouldn’t work and there’s no native replacement.
Isn’t sha512sum a regular binary, that should not depend on the shell at all? What does nushell do that something like that can break o.O
Probably. I think it had something to do with how it’s invoked in Nushell. I think it requires typing something different than what I’m used to. I searched it up and couldn’t find an answer and got pissed off and went back to Zsh. I’m not blaming Nushell, it’s just not for me. Nushell does have it’s own binaries for sha256 and md5, but I prefer sha512 even though it literally doesn’t matter for my use case.
A 4chaner has friends? Fake nerd copium.
zsh > bash
Brave stand, I will stand side by side with you until the first signs of mild resistance or mockery from the world!
Well guess what?
#include <string.h> #include <iostream> int main (int argc, char *argv[]) { const int which = strcmp ("zsh", "bash"); std::cout << which << std::endl; return 0; }Output
1
Me hitting tab on any shell that isn’t fish
“What the hell was that I ran the other day?”
start typing, ctrl+right, up, up, up, up, up, up
“Gotcha, bastard!”
right, enter
🦀
I literally do not notice any difference. If the folders and such get the pretty colors and tab works, I could give a damn.
I never tried anything other than bash tbh. Not sure if i should. I never really looked into what i might be missing out on with a different shell. Bash just works so i never felt like messing around with it.
fish is worth trying. saves alot of typing
Linux noob here. Can you explain please why I‘d use a different terminal than what my distro provides (bash)?
Features and default settings, but its really just about preference. They are all good at what they do.
Also im only saying this because it confused me for so long, but shell and terminal are different parts of the same thing. Bash is your shell, its the backend that runs everything you type into your terminal. My computer for example uses my kitty terminal which communicates in bash. You can change both the shell and terminal. Zsh is another shell, so it would change the “shell language” you use to communicate with your terminal.
There can be a ton of reasons, albeit I personally also just stick with default (for me zsh). In typical linux user fashion I also must tell you that bash and zsh are shells, not terminals.
The two main reasons you’d choose a particular shell is because you prefer it’s configurability or syntax. Zsh has a bunch of features that you can enable and you can configure it to behave basically however you want, like adding spelling correction or multiline editing, but it’s defaults absolutely suck unless your distro comes with a sensible config. Fish, which another guy here’s raved about, goes in basically the opposite direction and is really nice to use out of the box (I haven’t used it though). I hear it’s technically not a valid
/bin/shsubstitute like zsh or bash because of syntactic differences, but that’d be a whole other rabbit hole if true.One other reason can be performance concerns because bash is pretty slow when treated as a programming language, but I’d argue you shouldn’t organize your workflow so that bash is a performance bottleneck.
I use whatever my OS came with.
I don’t mind /bin/zsh.
Now Oh My Zsh! on the other hand can die in a hole.
What specifically do you dislike about zsh?
It’s the index on 1 that ruins it for me.
Edit: come to think of it what would zsh print out for echo $0?It follows the same convention as most programming languages that expose the argument list. Python’s
sys.argvhas the program name at index 0 and the first argument at index 1. C’schar **argvdoes the same: index 0 is the program name, index 1 is the first argument. So it stands to reason that Zsh’s$0should be the program name and$1should be the first argument……which, by the way, is exactly what Bash does as well.
tbh it’s fine and i use it a lot more than bash.
Nushell is very cozy for me. I work with SQL all day so I ended with PTSD and having my terminal syntax cosplay as it is nice.
