Tesla Vision fails as owners complain of Model 3 cameras fogging up in cold weather::A number of Tesla owners have taken to Reddit after their front cameras fogged up and stopped working in cold weather, leaving several features, including the US$10,000 FSD Beta, inoperable. Tesla has declined to assist to these customers, despite many of their vehicles being covered under warranty.
It's only a problem if you use your cars outside…
I swear I saw an article about someone whose tesla shorted out in the rain and they basically said you shouldn't have gotten it wet.
That's mind boggling. I do not understand why people continue to buy cars from that trash company. Tesla has had a long history of shit build quality/quality control. With so many EV options on the market now, there's literally no incentive to go for Tesla anymore.
What irks me about this is I own an ev (not a Tesla obviously fiat 500e) and I slog/bash that thing through mud/snow/rain/several inches of water on the regular and even do what id consider rally driving with it at times and it's fine. You know why? Because this was always a Tesla engineering failure and not an ev failure. But it sucks because people will think ev= unable to get wet which just is not true.
Neighbour in my old area got one of those "Gone to Plaid" (???) models, supposedly quite expensive. It had more panel gaps than my roomie's Golf, which was only a fraction of the price.
In fact the Golf has held up really well! He bought it second-hand for 160k, and is now looking to switch to a Miata. The dealership offered him 150k for it. He's been driving it for over a year.
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Teslas do not suck for core feature of the car. They get undue attention because of what they are and what Musk does, but the core features the car is supposed to do work very well.
I own a 3, so bias called out here, but do not own it for the auto drive. I don’t even really use it, just lane following. When I push go, it goes. When I want to get great range, I get great range. When I need it to rapidly charge and find me a route that charges as I need it, it does. It fills up enough to get to my destination at superchargers faster than I can check out at the gas station for my apple fritter.
All of the other crap aside with self driving, it does what I bought it for. I look forward to the day someone can sell me the same range for the same money, with the same charge rates, with the same rapid charger population across the US. When they do, I will gladly switch.
I don’t think Tesla is an engineering failure, in fact I think it is an engineering success for their motors and batteries (both of which get sold to other EV manufacturers as licensed products), but a marketing failure largely resulting from Musk’s push or outward statements he should never have made. With a decent filtering PR firm and letting this engineers run the development runway, Tesla would still be lauded.
The quality control is seemingly nonexistent though. The sucker that had theirs kick the bucket after getting rained on probably doesn’t care how well the core features work.
There is still nothing I have seen to date that proves to all of us they didn’t drive through and submerge the battery.
I don’t doubt Tesla’s shitty practices on customer service, and I don’t doubt the possibility of a WC failure letting rain be the cause. It could.
I just haven’t seen anything conclusive to reinforce they didn’t drive the vehicle in a manner that could be expected to cause water issues.
Once that gets produced, I will happily agree.
and submerge the battery.
So why wouldn’t the battery be sealed? Why is this a mode of failure that you believe is somehow acceptable? Short of the car going the route of a particular 500k P1… Why wouldn’t we expect the batteries to be sealed if they’re that sensitive to water ingress?
You realize that outside has a lot of water? And it’s pretty normal for some of that to get on the underside of your vehicle… Why wouldn’t tesla as a car design/manufacturer account for that and take reasonable precaution to stop water ingress on the battery? You even hear of an ICE car doing this short of driving into a lake?
All the core features, eh? Try your door handle when the battery’s dead then say that again with a straight face.
I heard of so many gaps in the bodywork, fogging up of the headlights or even the interior, stiff like that. It seems like there is a huge range of quality, even with the same model.
Some of that (not all) is anti EV propaganda, both funded by competitors or exaggerations and sometimes outright fabrication by people who (justifiably) dislike Musk.
No Teslas in the wet or the cold. Pretty soon they'll only function, most of the time, in a climate controlled area.
Lol, right? Every time there's a new article about Tesla and their issues with weather it's like reading a page out of Goldilocks and the Three Bears.
…And the Tesla said "Oooh dear this porridge is too hot! And this porridge is too cold!"
Too much computer and not enough car 🥲
The car works just fine. You shouldn’t be using autopilot in bad weather anyway.
WE GOT A LIVE ONE!!
Honestly can't tell if it's sarcasm without an /s
Who said anything about bad weather? Jeez, you can always count on muskrats to make the dumbest arguments based on ridiculous assumptions when Daddy Elon needs to be defended.
Nah Musk is a total asshole, that’s obvious. I’m just pointing out ALL cars can still be driven when the cameras are foggy. Too many people in this thread seem to pretend that the entire car refuses to drive because it got a little chilly.
There are a million legitimate reasons to criticize Elon, (like the fact he’s a raging transphobe), but this one is kinda meh.
Cold = bad weather? How elitist.
Nah, relying on FSD and whining when it goes out is elitist.
Obviously cold counts as bad weather to the machine if it messes up your camera system, so just drive it like a normal human.
When you spend $10k on FSD do you get a map of all the places you're not allowed to live or visit?
I wouldn’t know. I’m not stupid enough to spend money on an unproven product.
So 3-6 months of the year is just bad weather?
Since you seem to know a lot about Tesla: when people pay those $12,000 for the "Full Self-Driving package," does Tesla tell them they can't use it when it gets cold outside?
Not very "full" then is it?
I don’t know a lot about Tesla, but we all know their marketing is lies.
It's like they only ever tested it in SoCal on sunny days.
So, the only way to have anything covered under warranty is to never have your Tesla leave the indoor track which is temp/humidity controlled.
Oh how far we've advanced.
No point in doing warranty work when you don’t have a fix for the problem, this is what happens when you buy hard goods from a manufacturer that runs itself like a software company.
Can confirm it’s terrible all around. FSD is horrendous. It also has problems in bright sun and rain.
Why do people still buy Teslas? Serious question
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They don't know better
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Status symbol
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Weird obsession with Elon
- They are tech nerds and want an EV.
It use to be this was excusable. But there are a lot of options now, no?
Yeah. Wanting a Tesla 5 years ago is very different from still wanting a Tesla today, in 2023, after Elon has told everyone, in public, exactly who he was.
There are so many options. Manufacturers that have been in the market basically since the inception of cars, and have decades upon decades of experience designing and building them all have EVs. You can easily get a higher quality EV for much less.
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I bought mine in 2019 before I knew Elon is a lying turd. I bought FSD because I like tech stuff and I was doing a lot of highway driving at the time. My opinion of Elon and the car might be less negative if I didn’t feel like I got scammed out of $6000 for FSD. It’s been a good car otherwise, but I wouldn’t buy another one.
Same here. Waiting for a good Porsche SUV EV to come around. Same price range as Tesla, none of the bullshit.
Because they're pretty great in most ways. They are one of the most energy efficient EVs, they are the most fun to drive of all the EVs I've driven (best acceleration and handling), I love not needing keys anymore. I love being able to control my car from the app. Tesla has almost twice as many high speed charging stations as every other charging company combined. They are more affordable than most other EVs. The lane assist is better than any other car on the market. Sure Elon is a dick, but Tesla has some adults in the room making good design decisions. It's certainly not perfect but it's a solid choice if you're looking for an affordable, fun, and efficient car.
They are more affordable than most other EVs.
This is definitely not true. Teslas are expensive, and you have so few models! The Model 3 will go for about 520K here. I could get an Opel Mokka for 40k less. If I'm not aiming for an SUV but just a standard car, then a Peugeot e-208 costs 240k. I could get two of those and still have money to spare, or a base-level Tesla.
If I wanted a battleship more akin to a Tesla, I'd probably go for the Volvo XC40. A car that actually works if it rains on it, and doesn't try to murder cyclists. Or perhaps a Toyota bZ4X, since Toyota has crazy good warranty on their vehicles. If I wanted luxury, then Polestar has that base covered.
The nice thing is that these are all established and reputable companies, they've been in the business for many, many years. They're well known, and don't pull things like "well maybe you shouldn't let your car get rained on."
The affordability is probably more US centric. Because they are made in the US using mostly US parts they qualify for huge tax rebates. I got mine for about $28k which beats most of the EV market here, and is a fairly good deal even for an ICE car.
Most of the other companies you mentioned don't sell cars in the US so I can't make much of a comparison but I'm glad Europe has a better variety of EV options than the US. Seems like more companies are switching to EV every year.
They are more affordable than most other EVs.
This is definitely not true.
As a quick point of comparison, lets compare a Mach-E to a Model 3 in the US.
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The Mach-E starts at $43k and is eligible for a $3,750 tax credit, bringing it's cost to $39,250. And that is before the dealer fucks you over.
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The Model 3 starts at $39k and is eligible for a $7,500 tax credit, bringing it's cost to $31,500. And there is no dealer to fuck you.
The Tesla is the much more economical car.
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Why do people still buy Teslas? Serious question
I'm only answering because you sound sincere in your desire for the opinion of others. I'm not a Musk fanboy (years ago I was, admittedly). I'm not looking for a fight. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, here is mine because you asked for it:
Other EV brands are shockingly (no pun intended) behind in technology or implementation. Most other EV manufacturers are making cars today that are closer to what Tesla was making 5 or 10 years ago, including lots of design or construction mistakes with those other manufacturers. Add to that, I know the idea that Tesla cars are expensive in still in most people's minds, but Model 3 (available now at $31k USD) is one of the least expensive EVs on the road today with the tax credit from its fully domestically built battery. Non-Tesla charging infrastructure (in the USA, and even in Canada) is a joke to try to depend on it. Its also nice to be able to buy a car that supports the American workforce. A Tesla (bought in the USA) is the most American car you can buy! The top 4 "most American made cars" are Y, 3, X, and S. The number 5 slot is the Honda Passport.
Lastly, at least in the USA, buying a car from any other brand (except maybe Polestar now) means having to go through a local dealership, which is a horrible and exhausting experience. Buying a Tesla is refreshing in how transparent and low pressure the sales process is. No surprise fees, no dealer markup, no high pressure extended warranty or service plan sales.
I despise Musk's childishness and politics, but the product and buying experience tops every other EV on the market today. The other brands have need to mature very quickly. However it doesn't appear that Tesla is slowing down its growth either.
TLDR; Tesla makes the cheapest, most domestically produced, highest performance, most charging supported, best buying experience, most advanced mass market EV on the road today by a large margin.
With all of their flaws, they remain one of the best EVs on the market. And at least for the very short future, they are some of the few cars that can use the only charging network that doesn't suck. Though, that very notable advantage will be gone in about a year.
From an Australian perspective, I wanted an ev and I wanted to be able to take it on road trips. The supercharger network is the most comprehensively built out infrastructure here and frankly the only way to reliably make long road trips.
The minute they open it up to other manufacturers that advantage disappears; similarly if we had any genuine effort from any corner to build out competing infrastructure.
It's easy to shit on Tesla because, well, , but in some markets they still hold a distinct and compelling competitive advantage.
Meanwhile my anecdotal n=1 stranger on the internet story is that I've not had any issues with my model 3 so far: for me, it's been a great car. When I purchased it, the decision came down to the 3 or the polestar 2, and at the time polestar had zero service capability here: based on 12 months of driving I feel I made the right decision.
Every other car uses LIDAR and Elon thinks he’s such a forward thinker for shunning it. So dumb
Radar. Only a small handful of cars have LIDAR. But your point still stands. Outside of Elon being a humongous douche and completely unpredictable, the lack of sensors is the major reason for not wanting a Tesla.
His argument makes sense. Human vision is not too different from just a camera. I see the argument for lidar but it can also be a bit more expensive to accomplish the same task. I’m open to listening to your argument as to why lidar technology would be a better path for self driving cars.
Camera fogging has been an issue since at least 2019… Tesla forums usually have threads from new owners surprised by this each year…
It was 100% predictable that ‘vision only’ would fail in these circumstances.
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I was very happy with my 2019 model 3. I upgraded to a new model y a month ago, and the vision stuff definitely feels like a downgrade. I already have a scratch because the vision based park assist is so bad.
