I bought into the ecosystem while taking my networking cert classes back in 2017. They were much cheaper than Cisco gear for business-grade networking, and overall I’ve been happy with them.
Their security offerings are locally managed, and you can make local accounts, but I just bought a NAS from them and I had to sign in with my ubiquiti account first before I could make a local account, and it seems the cloud account has some privileges that you can’t give to local super admins.
So now I’m having second thoughts. I figure since it’s enterprise-grade stuff they can’t really make it cloud-dependent like you see on the consumer side since a lot of companies need air-gapped networks. On the other hand, on those occasions that I didn’t have internet access and hadn’t yet made a local-only account, I was locked out, so…
Regarding the NAS specifically, I use a TruNAS system at work and it works well enough on a rack server, but since it uses ZFS I don’t know it would be good for home use. What alternatives are there?
Are there any truly FOSS networking options? I figure especially on the switching side you need purpose-built hardware, right? There aren’t generic motherboards with 48 network ports you can buy.
I like my Unifi setup, I’m just scared of a rug pull.
Are there any truly FOSS networking options?
PFSense falls into this category for routers. Netgate makes hardware specifically for it, but you don’t have to buy anything from them to use PFSense. I only mention them because their hardware is good and you can buy anything from a normal home router to enterprise level gear.
I had to sign in with my ubiquiti account first before I could make a local account
I used to be pretty into ubiquiti, but this requirement really put me off. I have no desire to do anything ‘cloud’ with my router. This requirement sent me elsewhere and I sold off all my ubiquiti equipment.
TruNAS … What alternatives are there?
TruNAS has a community edition, so you could start there. Other alternatives are a standard Debian install, use mdadm to setup RAID, then setup a network share in the OS, etc.
Pfsense is shady on the OSS side these days. I think. I haven’t gotten into the drama. Opnsense is a popular fork.
Use opnsense instead.
OpenWRT is basically Linux for routers and can be installed on a variety of devices - https://openwrt.org/
There is also https://www.gargoyle-router.com/
Tplink Omada doesn’t need a cloud connection. There’s plenty of other reasons to not like Omada but it’s something to consider. It’s also dirt cheap.
TPlink Kasa smart gear didn’t used to need a TPlink account until they made an app update. I would be very wary of anything from them.
I buy TPLink gear, but only because I check to make sure it can be flashed with OpenWRT beforehand. I may not actually do that (my router is running it, but my PoE access points aren’t yet), but I make damn sure I can.
(Also, I almost bought Kasa smart plugs, then checked to see whether they could run ESPHome or Tasmota and picked a different brand instead. You always have to check, every single time!)
True but it’s designed to be on networks that don’t have internet.
People seem to love it. But it’s highly proprietary and there seems to be planned obsolescence built into their model
For large networks with over 20 devices, I find them acceptable not because they are good but because other options are more expensive.
For small networks? I despise them
- The UI keeps changing and moving around settings for no good reason after each update
- You can’t setup devices directly if you have a device or two, you are required to setup a control center
- The control center is already slow and sluggish, but the real nightmare starts when you start having 100 or more devices
- Last couple of years they have been releasing batches with serious issues, software and hardware. The way they accepted recall for unfixable devices was so limited that many people are left with broken APs that will kill their network occasionally and the poor consumer has no idea why.
- Honestly fuck 'em. there’s more but I don’t wanna give them any more rent space in my head on a Sunday lol
What annoys me most is people mindlessly promoting Unifi. Sure it has its advantages but no one wants to talk about disadvantages
Anecdotal: I like like my OG UDM. Bought it the year it came out. No issues in almost 7 years.
Unifi is one of those brands where this phrase applies: “when it works, it works really good.”
People will see those comments, buy the hardware, and some of them will have bad experiences. You will hear about those bad experiences way more often than someone who hasn’t had any issues with the same hardware in the same timeframe.
That’s how it is with pretty much every consumer-focused network equipment brand.
Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I’ve seen in this thread:
Fewer Letters More Letters AP WiFi Access Point DNS Domain Name Service/System LXC Linux Containers NAS Network-Attached Storage NFS Network File System, a Unix-based file-sharing protocol known for performance and efficiency NUC Next Unit of Computing brand of Intel small computers NVR Network Video Recorder (generally for CCTV) PCIe Peripheral Component Interconnect Express Plex Brand of media server package PoE Power over Ethernet RAID Redundant Array of Independent Disks for mass storage SMB Server Message Block protocol for file and printer sharing; Windows-native SSD Solid State Drive mass storage Unifi Ubiquiti WiFi hardware brand VPN Virtual Private Network ZFS Solaris/Linux filesystem focusing on data integrity
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My biggest gripe with them is consistency. They release products without all the features they promise. They have been known to just abandon entire lines (I’m still salty about their mFi gear).
I like my UDM pro however the SE came out and for almost a year they basically ignored the Pro.
Good hardware that’s usually made or broken by their software.
The switches did get L3. Eventually.
Their PDU-PRO has three network ports on the front and I believe only one of them works. They even gray the other two out on their site. I don’t know what they thought they would do with it but they sure failed.
Not a fan. Absolutely not.
They had multiple security incidents which they kept under the rugs for a long time, they have the tendency to EOL devices without warning (which then means you need to replace your sometimes 9month old device or your whole enviroment can’t be updated), their lock-in into their ecosystem is much more complete as they can’t be used properly without their enviroment.(e.g. Omada devices can work without the Omada stuff, with Unifi you will always need a controller for some functions).
So if you realy need SDN features like Unifi look at Omada,otherwise Mikrotik is a solid alternative. (And OPNsense for firewall)
TPLink had security issues all the same
Absolutely, but unlike Ubiquiti they did not keep them under the rug that long. (Nevertheless: Both are shit for firewalling. Put a OPNsense before it?)
Actually unified got a new firewall package that works great
Still mediocre compared to OPN/pfsense, IPfire, VyOs,etc.
I agree, but it’s waaaaaaaay better than it was
I’ve been running the original Unifi Dream Machine (the can, not rack) since it released in 2019. Been pretty solid, no complaints; it replaced my trusty Asus RT-N66U w/Tomato firmware; I think the UDM has been deployed longer than the Asus at this point.
The single built-in AP on the UDM was getting a bit overwhelmed, so recently I bought a U7 Lite AP to help split the load a little better. Working great so far, but now I’m looking into adding an NVR for cameras.
I like my Unifi setup, I’m just scared of a rug pull.
Same here.
I only use their WiFi because I got some in- and outdoor ap’s for free. The Wifi manager is selfhosted and has no internet access. For upgradesi downoad the deb file, trasnsfer and install. It’s not the best out there, but works for me and i’m still happy with it.
I use their wifi APs because they make them really easy to configure and manage. But the management interface stays locked in a vlan without access to the internets. Because I don’t trust their cloud affinity.
This also disqualifies their routers and firewalls for me. How can I trust a device which tries to phone home? So that area is covered by opnsense on a device with a sufficient amount of Ethernet ports.
Any device with a mass storage can act as a NAS - a single board computer + Linux + samba/ nfs/ scp/ sftp. I heard TrueNAS or OpenMediaVault are recommended as all in one solutions - I don’t know them.
At home, I have a shit ton of in-wall HD’s behind TVs, a Dream Machine SE Pro. A 16 port and an 8 port POE switch.
At work, I have a Pro Max, a 24 port enterprise switch, and a handful of access points. I also have one of their door controllers with its attached video doorbell.
Their cameras aren’t bad, but they’re overpriced. I went full reolink and haven’t regretted any of that. I use their protect nvr stuff at work, and while it works, it’s not great. If you just want something easy to set up and go, it’s good enough. If you want to do some really complicated, complex things, you’re better off with frigate or blue iris.
Their VPNs a little bit light duty. I don’t know if it’s still the case, but when I did my setups there was no local DNS option. But that’s easy enough to take care of.
I run Ubiquity AP (used to be flashed to OpenWRT but now stock) as well as Mikrotik, all local. Firewall is opnsense. NAS is FreeNAS, but not really use it at the moment. zfs is great. If you really need 48 port L3 switches, look into whitebox. I use used enterprise gear for lab, too much noise and power draw and no real use for terabit L3 at home.
Mikrotik for switches. Grandstream for APs. All been just working, and easy to set up. Good price as well.
Came here to say same thing. Mikrotik is great, although RouterOS doesn’t support Ipv6 Neighbour Discovery in a highly useable manner yet. Fantastic otherwise.
We use it exclusively at work, it’s great for almost anything







