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advertising is just propaganda without a cause
idk about other languages, but in Portuguese it’s literally the same word
You have it good my friend. Language is powerful.
Neither “anuncios” (adverts) nor “marketing” (yeah, we use the English word) are the same as “propaganda” (its spelled the same as in English but said slightly differently)
Is what you describe a Brasilian Portuguese thing?
The cause is to separate you from your money and time. To reinforce and promote capital as the ultimate gatekeepers.
yeah but it’s not made by the people the propaganda works for. they’re just cogs. normal propaganda is made by the people championing the cause in question.
If you work for an advertising agency, you know that your job is to separate people from their money. They celebrate this. They have awards for this. It’s the whole purpose of their job.
advertising is forcing you to pay with your time and attention. I started hating all kinds of ads when I first flew with Ryanair. There aren’t headphones big enough to withstand two and a half hours of uninterrupted bullshit
The cause is to separate you from your money and time. To reinforce and promote capital as the ultimate gatekeepers.
Ad-blocking is a property right. I have every right to control what my device does or does not display, by definition of ownership. Conversely, advertisers or other parties attempting to colonize my device by forcing it to display something against my (the owner’s) will is a hostile act that violates my rights.
I always and will also try to give websites 1 try.
If I like your content on your site you get 1 try to show ads and if they are not offensively placed and not playing audio… you get to live
Except we are beginning to not own what we own. The computer is yours, the software is just licensed, and they are trying to take everything away from us, from ovens to washing machines, they want to make it all subscription, spying on us, and serving us ads. We don’t have the right to repair the products when we break, and it’s a federal felony to “break” any sort of digital lock on a device, and I think to change it’s programming too.
That said, it’s a moot point as of yet, because while websites forced me to whitelist their sites to use them when I had adblock, I was told about ublockorigin, and I see no ads, and the sites can’t tell I am using it.
the software is just licensed
That is a GODDAMN LIE perpetrated by copyright cartel shysters to swindle all of us. The entire legal theory that assertion rests on is absolute nonsense: they want to pretend that you “need” to accept an “EULA” to use the software because otherwise copying it from the installation media onto your hard drive and/or into RAM would be a violation, but that is wrong because 17 U.S. Code § 117 (a) (1) carves out an explicit exception that allows it. EULAs are bunk and do not constitute a valid contact, as they not only lack ‘acceptance’ because they attempt to work on adhesion (trying to impose new terms after-the-fact when the transaction to obtain the copy has already occurred and concluded), but fail to provide any meaningful ‘consideration’ to begin with!
They can pry my hardware and software that I own from my cold, dead hands.
Thats fair if you also hold the stance that they can block you if you aren’t paying to use the service. But i doubt you do.
What fucking “service?” Software running locally on my own computer isn’t a goddamned “service” to begin with!
Also, fuck off with your bullshit assumption of bad faith.
The web browser and the website are two different piecee of software. Running a web browser doesnt entitle you to access a web server.
You are asking the web server for the page and its giving it to you with ads. If you then decide you dont want the ads the webserver has every right to not serve you the page.
It would be different if it was a local application. Web servers have a material cost for processing a request it costs money to serve you that page. Its completely fair for you to decide that your browser isnt going to display ads but its also just as fair for the website to turn around and reject your request or choose to serve you something else.
If you want to actively shit on them, there is AdNauseam, which is a fork of uBlock Origin but in addition to blocking the ads, it clicks on absolutely everything, sending fake signals. Polluting their database is costing them money and they have to deal with all the noise.
Not for everyone, but definitely an active hostility towards these fucks.
That seems like it opens the door to a lot of security issues. Part of the reason to use uBlock is that ads are a known threat vector.
It’s a cute idea, but they would just incorporate some amount of false clicks into their metrics.
I’ve never had it actually collect an ad
I prefer using Pi-Hole (DNS based block) the ads don’t even waste my bandwith.
Do you know if AdNauseum actively merges in new uBlock Origin changes, or is it fully forked?
https://github.com/dhowe/AdNauseam/ It’s a direct fork that seems pretty up to date, only lagging 26 commits behind upstream
Advertisement makes me want that product even less.
The worse the product is, the more desperate they get to shove it in your face. Good products don’t need to pay others to pretend it’s good, you just find out via word-of-mouth or free trials
I was thinking about this just the other day. There’s a popular market in my home state, one I’ve been going to since childhood. It’s a single store, not a chain, and it’s almost always packed. I’ve never seen nor heard a single ad for it in my life. Naturally, that makes me like the place even more.
People are taking the piss out of you everyday. They butt into your life, take a cheap shot at you and then disappear. They leer at you from tall buildings and make you feel small. They make flippant comments from buses that imply you’re not sexy enough and that all the fun is happening somewhere else. They are on TV making your girlfriend feel inadequate. They have access to the most sophisticated technology the world has ever seen and they bully you with it. They are The Advertisers and they are laughing at you. You, however, are forbidden to touch them. Trademarks, intellectual property rights and copyright law mean advertisers can say what they like wherever they like with total impunity. Fuck that. Any advert in a public space that gives you no choice whether you see it or not is yours. It’s yours to take, re-arrange and re-use. You can do whatever you like with it. Asking for permission is like asking to keep a rock someone just threw at your head. You owe the companies nothing. Less than nothing, you especially don’t owe them any courtesy. They owe you. They have re-arranged the world to put themselves in front of you. They never asked for your permission, don’t even start asking for theirs.
Banksy
All ads are non consensual and designed to get your attention. So we put them in places like on giant boards along highways. Very cool, very safe.
There’s a giant, glowing, animated LED billboard along a main road near my house that had a PSA about distracted driving on it the other day. It made me angry.
Yeahhhh that kind of on the face irony would absolutely bug me too
Nice point if view. Ironically we live in times when minding others boundaries is almost common sense. Abusive behavior gets public contempt. But everyone is just accepting manipulative, malicious and intrusive ads.
Yet another reason we need to move away from cars. Since the distraction is likely not going away, we need to minimize the safety/distraction issue.
(Goddamn we need so much high speed rail, and yesterday)
If you don’t think you can do away with billboards I don’t see how you’d think you could get people to stop using cars. Especially with how many things get delievered door to door these days. You could put every commuter on trains and the roads would still have traffic. I don’t see changing that being any easier than getting rid of billboards and other highly intrusive ads.
You could put every commuter on trains and the roads would still have traffic.
True, just one more lane, right?
I understand that cars serve a purpose. But trains and buses move orders of magnitude more people than cars could ever dream. With a properly functioning transit system (including the aforementioned high speed rails) traffic would clear up (because traffic didn’t happen to you, you are traffic), and fewer distracted operators would be on the road.
And in removing those people from operating vehicles, the distraction of a billboard, and the subsequent potential accidents, are mitigated.
And yes we also need to get rid of billboards.
Another word for “marketing” or “advertisement” is Manipulation. Shady, manipulative, tactics.
Fuck them. I love Lemmy because it seems like the ratio of like-minded people is much larger here. Nothing better than seeing other principled people that would rather give up some comforts than deal with ads and bend the knee to the pieces of shit that try to push them.
Even products in the supermarket (such as bread!!) come with ads in the fucking plastic wrapper. I have changed my bread brand due to this. I will absolutely give up any comfort to avoid your manipulation. I will fucking shower in cold water if it means I don’t bend the knee to pieces of shit.
Well said. It disgusts me a lot, and it also dismays me to see a lot of people don’t care at all about ads. I even rememeber people in my old job talking about ads on tv. Boggles my mind.
If I am forced to see or interact with an ad I will do absolutely everything in my power to excise that ad source from my life.
No kidding, if I happen to hear an ad on a tv or radio I’m passing by I plug my ears and go lalalalala until I or it are gone. I truly can’t stand them that much, it’s a psychotic invention meant to constantly brainwash you into becoming a mindless consumption robot and I refuse to partake.
It blows my mind that some people on my team were excited to watch the commercials during the Super Bowl.
I live my life in a way that minimizes the advertising I’m exposed to, and some people are just mainlining that garbage.
I mean, it blows my mind that people were excited to watch the Super Bowl at all. The advertisements are often the best part, given that the game itself is so mired in interruptions - often to deliberately increase the amount of air time for ads.
I think there is an American ritual aspect to it. I hate football and never watch it other than the super bowl. I’ve always just watched it for the funny ads, halftime show, and social gathering aspect. There is nostalgia for the 90s-00s where funny Superbowl ads became cultural touchstones, and early “memes” that people would quote and talk about the rest of the year if not more. Though honestly, it feels like the mojo is gone. The ads rarely seem as funny as they used to be. Or maybe we are just so inundated with internet ads and the lightspeed meme cycle that they simply can’t draw the same level of cultural relevance they once did.
You guys get ads? 😈
Actually I’m always surprised at how pervasive they are. I keep thinking the way my home infra is set up is normal and people are exaggerating about ads for lulz.
But every now and then when I jump on a unfiltered system I realise “No, no they are not”.
Its crazy how much people put up with it every time I see someone elses browser I ask them why they dont use an ad blocker and I always gets some nothing reply.
This may be a hot take here but I do not actually hate the concept of “paying money to promote a product or service”. However, in practice I can hardly think of an advertising method that I find tolerable in the slightest due to the manipulation tactics. When you look at vintage photos advertising is usually some hand painted sign on the side of a bus stop that says “Try Zuckerman’s Flour!” I don’t hate that, but we also don’t have that.
“Hey this thing is here” and “have this problem try this” are useful enough that even without paid ads people make that content.
The lifestyle manipulation, feeding unfounded fears, biases, anxieties, and rage for almost anyone reason is evil to me.
100% agree
There is this little community here on Lemmy focussing on vintage german ads:
Ads have changed, but those ads telling you that your body is ugly and that you need $product to change it are old and have been around since the 19th century and the beginnings of modern advertisements. It is also quite interesting how old some of the usual scams are. There are currently people on TikTok scamming people with some method invented in the 1800s
Yeah good points there, and I certainly didn’t mean to imply ads were historically better on the whole. Ads from a a century ago also featured a significantly greater amount of flat out lying about their products, especially when it came to medicines and “tonics”.
But even if we accept that their honesty has improved (dubious) I do think advertising today has become more intrusive, and the function of advertising is today is more about disrupting our focus than it ever has been.
For me the problem use to be it having gone from “Our product is great and here’s why” style of adverts to the psychological manipulation shit (image of beautiful woman seducing handsome man, queue name of perfume).
I’m fine with people trying to convince me but detest when they try to manipulate me.
However the recent tendency to relentlessly shove it in front of me ALL THE TIME does get on my nerves - it’s like getting constantly harassed by a shameless salesman with no respect for other people.
Stop doing this nonsense manually !
- Skipping ads ? Use uBlock Origin !
- Skipping sponsorships ? Use SponsorBlock !
Advertising shits in your brain.
Let’s get rid of it.
Some people like to say that nobody’s immune to advertising. Maybe so, but there are definitely some of us who aren’t as affected by it. When most ads you see are for things you’d never buy anyway, all the crap kind of blends together.
For me, no amount of fast food ads, car ads, vacation ads, etc. are going to have any meaningful effect. I already don’t buy fast food, don’t purchase new cars (and if I’m shopping used, there are certain criteria that matter far more than a brand or dealership), and am way too poor to take a vacation. Yet, the ads persist.
Even if I weren’t muting and skipping them at every chance, you can’t get blood from a stone. End stage capitalism, man. Can’t spend money I don’t have!
God I do have a weird relationship with it. I have adguard set up to block ads at the DNS level, I have adblockers on everything, and yet I spent the other night binge watching “Will it Blend?”
How long did it take to un-break basically every website? I tried doing this and it made pretty much every site that had this problem unusable. I could never find a sweetspot that only blocks ads and let’s legitimate traffic through; and it caused issues with my partner’s work portals.
Moving target. They ho to work every day to fuck up uthe internet.
It weirdly didn’t break every website? It said it might, but it ended up not. No idea how, or what I did. The only issue has been my room mate plays mobile games and some of those give ads for a benefit, so they can’t watch those.
I’m using HaGeZi’s block list (https://github.com/hagezi/dns-blocklists). Not saying it’ll work for everyone, but it doesn’t cause me any issues, even on the strictest one.
Start with the default block list. That shouldn’t break everything, if it does give examples of the problems and the sites and I’m sure we can find a solution.
You are a person of culture, and I respectfully tip my hat to you. Of course, the question left unanswered is: Did it blend?
It did blend! Many times over the span of several hours (I watched… Most of that channel that day…)
