Team expects, may be useful, could be used, prototype, are currently investigating and so on. Cool piece of technolgy, but no even mention when they’d expect that to be commercially available, if it’s even possible to manufacture in commercial scale. Like many other new battery chemistries and technologies, it shows promise and makes a good headline, but at this point that’s pretty much it.
Eh, give em the clout they need to develop it further.
Well tbf this was a university lab which isn’t focused on commercial production but just trying to prove their experiments
They are likely working under grants.
That’s usually how it works. Why is that relevant?
Because grant funded work often seems some sort of result, contrary to parents claim that they were just “trying to prove their experiments.”
In particular if they have grants coming from any sorts of industry sources.
To be fair, commercial long-life nickel-iron batteries are already being sold for grid storage. The main reason they aren’t used more widely is they cost more up front.
That’s ok, because they still cost less than alternatives over the full life span of the battery.
The risk is that the higher purchase cost required will likely be wasted as new battery tech surpasses it long before its life is over.
So for now, it’s all about weighing opportunity cost, tech lock-in, and early obsolescence
We’ve been seeing claims like this for years and every time it’s been total bullshit. 99.9% chance it is this time as well, but enjoy the thought experiment.
And yet we have somehow gone from rechargeable phone batteries that were about 3 times bigger than the phone I’m typing this on and had a capacity of about 500 mAh to where we are now with the battery that powers my phone being some small part of it and having a capacity of 3000 mAh, with only two major technology changes on the way. Meanwhile, we’ve been using the same technology for over a decade and the capability keeps getting better. I wonder why that is?
Those while are great are just pushing the tech in tiny increments. It’s still the same tech. Kinda like how ICE vehicles got better and better, but they still use non-renewable energy.
This tech we need, is the leap from ICE to electric vehicles…vs an old model T to a modern Corolla.
An order of magnitude more power in the same form factor in 30 years isn’t a tiny increment. It was certainly a number of tiny increments to get there. And for those big leaps you’re so desperately looking for, it isn’t one little group sitting down together thinking how they’re going to do something. There are decades of research building out a number of tiny discoveries, combined by a group at an opportune time to put it all together so everyone can talk about this momentous leap that they, from the outside perceived as something new that sprung out of nothing.
Yea that again, doesn’t negate what I’ve stated. Tiny increments throughout a technologies life is great, just like ICE vehicles, but it’s tech from the 70s and we need the next leap forward.
Fusion power is based on the aeolipile and work by Marie Curie. Just because you don’t see the all the incremental steps connecting those devices doesn’t mean they aren’t there.
Fusion power ain’t there yet though, bad example?
Fusion power isn’t commercially practical. We could make a working fusion plant right now. It would suck and provide almost no power, but we could make one. And the difference between the one we can make today that barely works and isn’t useful and one that would be useful will be some number of additional incremental steps between where we are today and when that would work. Which is exactly the point. And
yourthe attitude of, well we aren’t using it today, so nothing has actually been done, is what I’m criticizing, so thanks for making the point even more obvious.
That’s like saying the wheel was invented thousands of years ago…you know what I’m talking about and are just being pedantic about it.
If I have seen further [than others], it is by standing on the shoulders of giants.
Once upon a time, that giant invented the wheel.
This tech we need, is the leap from ICE to electric vehicles
Great news! I heard a rumor that they’re going to start making electric vehicles next week.
Perfect!
Xn
Well if you want to read about the many battery chemistries currently in use in EVs, there’s this article:
https://insideevs.com/news/782685/all-ev-battery-chemistries-explained/
As the article explains, there are several chemistries that have already come and gone, and the current models being sold use a few competing chemistries with their tradeoffs. Some of the up and coming chemistries are also already being mass produced.
So whatever it is you mean by “leap,” it sounds like it’s already been happening in the last 15-20 years.
Sometimes it’s not pure bullshit, but instead intentionally misses details
Like articles going “new battery lasts 1000 years in one charge!” - which is true of Nuclear Batteries, because they give basically a maximum of 1 watt of energy per hour. (Which is useful for very specific purposes like a pacemaker)
Are you saying Grandma’s a WMD?
Yes, yes I am
Nitpick perhaps, but watts are not a unit of energy.
Y’know, I had a feeling I put the wrong unit and then was like “nah… Sounds right”, I should have went with my first instinct
yep.
SHould be a blanket ban on miraculous battery technology stories until they are actually in production and proven.
Cause lets face it, if one of these miracle batteries using cheap, common materials with amazing capacity and longevity was real, it wouldnt take long for companies to jump on them.
The technology uses nickel and iron clusters smaller than 5 nanometers, meaning 10,000 to 20,000 clusters could fit within the width of a human hair.
By using these dimensions, the researchers increased the electrode surface area, allowing almost every atom to participate in the chemical reaction. This efficiency enables the battery to reach a full charge in seconds rather than the seven hours required by historical versions of the technology.
Meanwhile my UPS taks 8 hours to charge and lasts 8 minutes.
If it lasts 30 years, it will not fly with the industry and the concept of planned obsolescence.
Ooh, they’ll figure a way to make it clock out on the last monthly payment. One little chip will do, or just a few lines of code in the right place.
Someone will find a way to make it a subscription service that stops working when a certain MW is exceeded
We are heading for a subscription LIFE.
Did you ever see the movie THX 1138 (1971)?
The police stop chasing him when his “value to society” runs out.
Sounds like a good candidate to go into pagers.
My solar panels have a 25 year warranty.
So the inventor gonna vanish and never hear about it again?
Well Edison is dead, but we do hear about him alot so I’m not sure what’s going on.
Speaking about scientists who find something groundbreaking and they vanish after.
Yea that’s the joke. Clearly Edison was killed to cover up this technology 😂
And probably not at all practical.
Eeehhhhh — yeah
Aerogel. So not gonna be good for mobile applications— cars etc.
But might be workable for static applications???
Just make one large enough to power my house for 2 weeks and let me use solar completely detached from the grid. I’ll put it on the side of my house.
That’s doable right now pretty much, in that the cost of existing batteries is in proportion to the other stuff you’ll need.
The sodium batteries rolling out to market right now should be good for it. Just waiting for them to get out and into use for a few years to make sure their isn’t any immediate unforseen bugs. I just want a 30 year battery and not a 10 year, and time itself degrades lithium based batteries quite a lot. They can make one that will last over 500,000 ev miles, but don’t count on it doing it and lasting 20+ years.
Call me pessimistic but I’m guessing this is only time we’ll be hearing about it
NIckel Iron is fantastic without any revolutionary improvements. Batteries made 100 years ago still work today. They are large and heavy so are only of use for home power.
The big “down side” which is the reason it isn’t commercially developed at large scale is that they last forever. No investors are going to give billions to a business that can’t generate revenue forever with a product that needs replacing every 3 years.
The government would for the military.
They are large and heavy. They are only useful for their virtually infinite life. If the military needed it for a few of their bases, they’d contract it out, a few hundred would be built and that’s it.
For example a few thousand ISDN adapters were built for the government military. But it lacked corporate support because the Telcos didn’t want it cutting into their profits. So ISDN barely existed for consumers. Consumers suffered with 56k modems for 5-10 years until broadband- which telcos sold for more than a phone line, were immune from all the competition requirements of regular phone lines, plus got TV programming profit.
the device achieves an excellent specific energy (47 W h kg−1) and superior specific power (18 kW kg−1)
I’m not familiar with this stuff. How does that compare to popular lithium batteries?
Poorly. According to a random Wikipedia query, commodity lithium ion is ~270 Wh per kilogram. So this is around 20% of that, according to the above.
“Excellent” may be in comparison to other byzantine specialty battery chemistries, but lithium ion remains resolutely enthroned.
It might be cool for storing solar energy for your home, though. We don’t need to always carry the battery in every use case
Home storage generally uses LFP which is around 170 WH/kg. 270 is NMC which is used in stuff like mobile phones where the trade offs are different.
Quite enough energy density and very good power density for stationary energy storage, with zero fire danger. Reasonably cheap, too.
I looked around and found that lithium ion batteries will range from 100-270 Wh/kg and up to 10 kW/kg.
So these particular batteries are sort of an improvement, less energy by weight but better power if I understand correctly. Definitely not an expert.
Abstract
Downsizing metal nanoparticles into nanoclusters and single atoms represents a transformative approach to maximizing atom utilization efficiency for energy applications. Herein, a bovine serum albumin-templated synthetic strategy is developed to fabricate iron and nickel nanoclusters, which are subsequently hydrothermally composited with graphene oxide. Through KOH-catalyzed pyrolysis, the downsized metal nanoclusters and single atoms are embedded in a hierarchically porous protein/graphene-derived carbonaceous aerogel framework. The carbon-supported Fe subnanoclusters (FeSNC) as the negative electrode and Ni subnanoclusters (NiSNC) as the positive electrode exhibit remarkable specific capacitance (capacity) values of 373 F g−1 (93 mAh g−1) and 1125 F g−1 (101 mAh g−1) at 1.0 A g−1, respectively. Assembled into a supercapacitor-battery hybrid configuration, the device achieves an excellent specific energy (47 W h kg−1) and superior specific power (18 kW kg−1), while maintaining outstanding cycling stability of over 12 000 cycles. Moreover, FeSNCs displayed a significantly reduced oxygen evolution overpotential (η10 = 270 mV), outperforming the RuO2 benchmark (η10 = 328 mV). Molecular dynamics simulations, coupled with density functional theory calculations, offer insights into the dynamic behavior and electronic properties of these materials. This work underscores the immense potential of metallic subnanoclusters for advancing next-generation energy storage and conversion technologies.
Herein, a bovine serum albumin-templated synthetic strategy is developed to fabricate iron and nickel nanoclusters, which are subsequently hydrothermally composited with graphene oxide.
Is this how Doom starts?
I think so long as you don’t hear Mick Gordon guitar riffs starting to chug in the background we are safe…
Just like with all of these headlines, it will not charge in seconds outside the lab without cryogenic cooling systems. Pack density is already largely limited by cooling systems, so everyone looking for faster charging and higher range should really be focused on superconducting tech more than cell chemistry
Every battery charges in seconds
Few seconds, many seconds, still seconds.
