Mike Hardaker, who has maintained a Reddit account for 20 years, has been shadow-banned on Reddit. He has posted an update on X, stating that Reddit requires an ad spend to restore organic posting. This demand was given to him in writing.

  • tidderuuf@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    So let me get this straight. Some jerk off looking to advertise his site by spamming links on several subs was hoping to AstroTurf COUGH I mean organically post… And Reddit Ad Team saw that and figured they could milk him for some dollars? So this doucher takes to Xhitter to try to get sympathy?

    Ahh capitalism at its finest.

    • 🌞 Alexander Daychilde 🌞@lemmy.world
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      wut

      Unless the article is absolutely lying, it mentioned the subreddits wanted the posts and couldn’t overcome the sitewide ban (i.e. manually approving the content). Your comment is a really huge stretch there.

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        Hardaker is the operator of Mountain Weekly News, and he regularly used to contribute to three or four subreddits

        So I am going to stop right there and ignore any conceivably ingenious reply you may come up with to justify and spin what the dude is actually doing. Spend enough time on Reddit like the grownups around here and you’ll eventually understand.

        • 🌞 Alexander Daychilde 🌞@lemmy.world
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          Listen, kid, I’ve been on reddit since 2009. I hung out with the admins in IRC back in the day. I was a default mod for a while, and I’m the “father” of /r/nottheonion.

          There’s plenty I don’t know about reddit and life in general, but on this topic, clearly I know a fuck ton more than you.

          There was a time on reddit when self-promotion was against the rules. That rule was dropped something like a decade ago.

          The simple fact is that - from at least the article’s telling - the subreddits wanted the content, and in that case, it is absolutely fine and encouraged for someone to submit.

          There’s a guy making youtube reviews of restaurants in my local city’s subreddit. The content is popular - people like it. So we absolutely are happy to see him post. Is it self-promotion? Yes, technically. It’s also relevant to the subreddit and desired by the mods and members of the subreddit.

          You’re like the people saying “dis a repost” when someone CROSS-posts. Note that reddit has a BUILT IN SYSTEM for cross-posting, but there are redditors who don’t know that.

          So, little boy, you can take your condescension and /r/confidentlyincorrect along with /r/iamverysmart and fucking LEARN something, or go off and continue to be willfully ignorant.

          Disclaimer: If the article’s reporting is incorrect and the subreddits considered it spam, well, that’s not what the article said, and I don’t otherwise have other knowledge of it, nor do I care enough to google for any other possible sources. But that’s the informatio you’re working off of as well, so there’s that.

          PS: To add a light-hearted end: I’ll go to /r/dontyouknowwhoiam now :) (that name seems too long. Is that the right one/ Well, you probably know what I mean and I’m too lazy to look it up :P )

    • x00z@lemmy.world
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      7 months ago

      He might not be morally good, but what Reddit is doing here is illegal in many places.

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    That’s nothing. I was permabanned for inciting violence or whatever they claimed, which broke rule #1. My “violence” was calling AI stupid (more or less) wishing it’d go away. Ironically, the mod bot banned me.

    • 🌞 Alexander Daychilde 🌞@lemmy.world
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      Mine came from simply saying that a drone would probably take care of a Russian solder seen in a video on crutches heading toward the front lines in Ukraine. Literally just that. Not saying it with any joy or approval, just a statement of fact. Phrased pretty damn much like I said it in this comment here.

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      I keep hearing stuff like this, makes me wonder if they are even honestly getting those moderations wrong, or if they are pretending to get it wrong to ban you for other reasons. My violations were often in bad faith for other reasons that I got violated for I believe. Did you get into any arguments with like Influence agents for a powerful group? Ie Israel but not limited to.

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        Probably me shitting on AI was frowned upon. It was a news article or something something to the tune of ‘data centers for AI are stealing jobs faster than know’ and I said once they’re built, its low maintenance bc all the automation. So AI data centers replace people with AI agents and then automate BACnet to maintain the building. Would be a shame if it caught fire and the building AI was compromised and let burn the regular AI…

        I’m spitballing my answer, but apparently that was a call for someone to somehow set fire to a datacenter or something even though I never said those words. It was poking fun at the Anikin Skywalker meme “you destroyed the very thing you were meant to protect” kind of shit. Or better yet, when Task Manager freezes.

        I’m sure it didn’t help I was the creator and mod of several 2A subs with a good size following. But never any violence, it was hobbyist stuff. Everyone was civil.

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          Oh yeah that makes sense. I’ve backed off several comments about how the data centers are vulnerable because I just know the technofascists are going to be super aggressive going after anyone suggesting anything about data centers blowing up or whatever.

          The farthest I’ve gone is bringing up that in the french revolution the first thing the peasants did when they heard the news was mob their local clerk and burn their records building.

          I am curious if there are any vulnerabilities to them losing data. Figured I’d get violated for asking on reddit.

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        if they are pretending to get it wrong to ban you for other reasons

        Oh, this has to be a very common behavior.

        Or making overly strict rules because you plan on selective enforcement from the get go.

        People will weaponize anything when they are fighting for an advantage.

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    7 months ago

    The bigger news here is that Reddit, as a policy, allows bot posting (organic posting) as long as you’re buying ads from them.

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        7 months ago

        I mean there’s gut feeling and then there’s real actual evidence.

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          Exactly.

          It’s one thing for Reddit to be taking action against automated posting and just be doing a shitty job. At least they’d be TRYING to fight against this source of toxic societal corrosion.

          It’s a whole other kind of immoral to see that their anti-bot activities are simply cover for the enforcement branch of their ad sales department. Bots are not against the rules at all, spamming communities to create false consensus is A-OK with Reddit as long as the check clears.

          Fuck Spez even more. I heard he was a moderator on r/jailbait for quite some time, btw

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    “I got caught trying to advertise for free and they want me to pay for it like everyone else!”

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    I found out today that they have removed r/all from the mobile platforms.

    The one unifying feed… Heaven for it folk experience consensus media or have a shared experience.

    By slicing it all up they can tweak individual algorithms to push more jank than ever. No longer do they have to game the system to get AstroTurfed Ads on the front page.

    Actually, didn’t they used to call themselves the “front page of the internet”? How does that work if no one sees the same page?

    • lastlybutfirstly@lemmy.world
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      I think most people unsubscribe from r/all anyway and subscribe to subs related to their favorite hobbies and games and work related info. Most of my frontpage is for video games I’m currently playing, programs I’m currently using and odd fun subs like moviemistakes or maybemaybemaybe. I wish I could do that here.

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        And that’s all cool… But it is weird to take that choice away from users.

        Much like here, a quick browse of all introduces me to a wider world with different concerns. It’s how I find stuff.

        And I’m pretty sure what you do is possible here… What are you having a problem with?

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          I can’t figure out how to unsub from the Lemmy version of r/all. So I’m getting latestagecapitalism, politics, politicalmemes, various communist instances. 80% of what’s on my page is politics. I’m not interested in that.

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            7 months ago

            What client are you using?

            On Voyager there is a tab at the top to switch between all and “home”. Home is just the subs you subscribe to.

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              I’m using the website. After what you said, I checked and it has Subscribed/Local/All at the top of the page. That’s really nice. I just started using Lemmy so I haven’t completely figured it out yet. I use old reddit, so it might be set up the same way as new reddit but I wouldn’t have known.

              Edit:

              What are hidden posts?

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                You can chose to hide posts.

                That might be based on a keyword, for example, “Trump”, or based on tages such as NSFW.

                You can always chose to see these posts again.

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    I don’t know who this guy is, but the fact that he is crying on twitter about being shadow-banned on reddit tells me I don’t really give a fuck about him, his opinion, or his perceived slights against him.

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      I care if reddit is dishonestly enforcing rules to force people to buy ads. That’s good for us actually. If only we had more enlightened instances with more functionality.

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    Organic posting = euphemism for spamming

    If the support specifically says that you are a spammer, then you’re a spammer.

    I do not have empathy for spammers

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    At least they put it in writing. They suspended and deleted all of my 15 years of posts, comments and moderating without even a good by. Fuck Spez, and Fuck Reddit may they reap the whirlwind.

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    Can anyone tell me what the fuck an organic account and organic posting is? Is this the def?

    Organic social media refers to unpaid content that individuals and brands share on social media to engage audiences without paid ads or direct selling.

    And if so, wtf. I mean, I expected nothing less from the Reddit zionist cesspool, but still…