California Attorney General Rob Bonta last night filed a request for a preliminary injunction in California’s existing case against Amazon for price fixing. Attorney General Bonta’s 2022 lawsuit alleged that the company stifled competition and caused increased prices across California through its anticompetitive policies in order to avoid competing on price with other retailers. New evidence paints a clearer and more shocking picture. The motion for a preliminary injunction comes after a robust discovery process where California uncovered evidence of countless interactions in which Amazon, vendors, and Amazon’s competitors agree to increase and fix the prices of products on other retail websites to bolster Amazon’s profits. Time and again, across years and product categories, Amazon has reached out to its vendors and instructed them to increase retail prices on competitors’ websites, threatening dire consequences if vendors do not comply. Vendors, bullied by Amazon’s overwhelming bargaining leverage and fearing punishment, comply — agreeing to raise prices on competitors’ websites (often with the awareness and cooperation of the competing retailer), or to remove products from competing websites altogether. Amazon’s goal is to insulate itself from price competition by preventing lower retail prices in the market at the expense of American consumers who are already struggling with a crisis of affordability.
There was a time when Amazon was not full of scummy rip-off products, when it was not playing games with prices, when it was not a cloud-computing powerhouse, and you know what happened?
That’s right, they crushed their adversaries (retail shopping) and earned billions in profits. They won.
But somehow that’s not enough winning, there isn’t enough winning until all the value has been vacuumed up from the world.
The other commenters here are right about Amazon’s initial methods, but I’m also going to highly recommend Cory Doctorow’s Enshittification for a detailed explanation of how this happens (including a breakdown on Amazon specifically) and what to do about it.
To quote a favorite singer of mine,
You could fill a man with gold, and still have room for greed.
It’s easy to crush the competition when you purposely take a loss as an investment in future market share.
They’re BUSTED when someone goes to prison.
For now they’re just SLAMMED
Just wait until they get BLASTED in a strongly worded email.
Holy shit guys! S-so, if you have a monopoly, it’s like, you can do whatever the fuck you want? So it’s like in THE FUCKING GAME OF MONOPOLY? Jee, we are learning something new every day
In the game, you have to improve your properties to charge more rent. In reality, the monopoly can reduce quality and raise price at the same time.
You dont really improve it, just added more units. Its about volume, not quality.
Which is also a pretty good tactic in Monopoly: try to buy as many houses as possible, but do not upgrade to hotels - exhaust the housing market- that way the other players cannot upgrade either
Wait, is Jee how the kids spell it these days?
Considering the origin is “Jesus”, “Jee” is technically closer spelling than “Gee”. Not that I have a dog in this race.
Thanks bro, gee is what I was going for, kisses from Eastern Europe, or, as we call it, Gesus land
Well, your English is much better than my Eastern European. :) No clue you weren’t a native English speaker, so there’s that <3
The intermediate step is “Jeez.”
The post-step is “Geezie willikers!” :)
Was going to add “Gee Whiz” which comes before that one? Like it got shorter, then it got longer again?
It’s like nicknames. First it’s Joseph, then Joe, then Napoleon Jonaparte.
Oh, I thought that was the… just… regulat step. hehe.
I guess for some sort of vaguely-serious discussion[1], without doing any research, I think Jesus / Jesus Christ has stably evolved to Gee, with some variants like Gee Whiz being pretty common. I think Gee Willikers was more common around the TV Batman era and so now it’s less said straight and more said ironically. heh. I can’t think of any other common “Gee [something]”… maybe “Geezie Kreezie”, but I’ve only heard that from Suzy[2] Izzard, so not sure if that’s common or not. lol
It definitely got short; I wonder if we’d count a second word as it getting longer, or a second word replacing “Christ”. These are the types of inconsequential discussions I love. :)
As far as distractions from the Epstein Files go, this is an exciting one.
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Market regulates itself or somthing.
I heard there was an invisible hand that I should trust.
Yeah, that’s what the Health Care CEOs assassin was doing, just a minor self-correction in the Free Market. That CEO’s policies pissed off a customer bad enough that the customer eliminated the problem, and that company, and every other health care company, loosened up their denials significantly as a result.
That’s the Free Market working the way it’s supposed to. That assassin should be celebrated for working within the system to balance the market.
It wasn’t Luigi though.
👏🏻 We 👏🏻 demand 👏🏻 public 👏🏻 executions 👏🏻
Nothing will change until there’s jail time for executives.
BREAKING NEWS!!
Evil company known for being evil is caught doing evil things!
It’s not like that even try to hide a lot of the shit they do.
Stuff like:
- locking authors into exclusivity contracts with Kindle Unlimited/Audible (monopoly abuse/anticompetitive*
- Advertising items as “on sale” - especially around Prime Day/Black Friday etc after jacking up the price a few weeks in advance
- Items with “free Prime shipping” but the exact same item without Prime is less about the shipping cost
- Stuff like Kindle ebooks shown with a discount price when no other medium exists, it was never sold at the listed “regular price” to begin with, and/or it’s only available from Amazon in the first place
I’ve been telling people to stop supporting amazon for years, but everyone seems to have their reason to keep supporting them. This hopefully will be a good enough reason for people to finally stop shopping on amazon.
I haven’t bought anything from amazon in over 12 years. I find everything on the manufacturer’s website or eBay. No need to ever use amazon for anything.
I was going on buy some jack stands for my car and saw the exact same models from harbor freight or auto zone on Amazon. Even if you’re not trying to support Amazon, you can’t escape the slop products.
I would like to remove the word “slop” from common speech for overuse. Sorry for your jack stand experience.
I’ve found the Shop App to be a good alternative along with eBay. Shop App is basically a search engine for retailers who use Shopify, which is a ton of them. From my research it seems to be generally better for retailers.
Same boat, I cancelled prime 5 years ago. My wife will activate for the holidays but I refuse to use it
Okay. Here’s my story. I have been looking for a 4K 32 to 43 inch monitor for my PC. TV or monitor, I just wanted 4k 120hz minimum. Didn’t really care about IPS or VA panels. Both have their pro’s and con’s.
So I ended up getting a Philips Google TV 43" 4K Gaming TV with native 144Hz refresh rate. The asking price from Amazon was 450 CAD. everywhere I looked online It was 50 bucks more OR they were the same price, but charged 50 bucks in shipping.
THAT’S why I use Amazon. IF I can find it cheaper elsewhere, I’ll buy it somewhere else. For me price is everything since I’m on a fixed income.
Okay, but have you considered that Amazon is the reason prices are high?
Obviously, none of these other retailers had a hand in it.
Exactly what they got “busted” for
You’re not alone in that. A lot of people’s care for ethics ends where a good deal begins.
What you should know is that these companies offer these good deals for a variety of reasons, but usually involving shady or borderline illegal business practices in one way or another.
I understand you’re on a fixed income - I sympathize with that and I don’t want to be rude to a stranger - but is the deal on a particular item you want worth the cost of endorsing what these companies do and stand for?
That 50 bucks means I only eat rice for a week. I’ve done it before, but I do not enjoy it.
$50 is the difference between having to eat only rice for a week, but you absolutely NEED a gaming monitor thats 32-43 inches with 4K resolution and 120hz refresh rate?
The only person your justifying your continued use of amazon to is yourself, and you’re doing a poor job.
And I’ll keep on doing it!
More power to you I guess. Hogs love rolling in shit.
I only roll in yours, because apparently it doesn’t stink…
I don’t think I’m expressing myself clearly. I understand the fixed income part and what 50 bucks can do to a person’s living situation. No issue there.
On the front end of your decision, you’re starting with “I need X with Y and Z”. None of these variables are negotiable? The “need” isn’t negotiable? Or are they not as negotiable as the care for the company’s awful business practices?
The systemic issues are the primary concern, but it is worth thinking about and examining within ourselves. We are ill-equipped to make informed decisions prior to every purchase. However, once we know how a particular purchase supports degrading the world around us, where is the line we won’t cross for a good deal?
I"m sorry my horse apparently doesn’t go as high as yours… 🙄
That’s needlessly insulting after I’ve been nothing but cordial with you. Me bringing up things that bring you discomfort to think about doesn’t mean I’m the bad guy here. Have a nice day, and enjoy your TV.
clip clop, clip clop, clip clop…
Aren’t most people on a fixed income?
Is such a TV… necessary?
Have you considered saving some for a few months and then buy the TV?What do you think I’ve been doing? That took me four months.
There are a lot of people online who think that 100% abstinence from The Bad is the only way to be good.
But if you can shift 10% of your former Amazon spending, do it. And keep looking for a way to get to 15%, then 20%, and so on.
Like, I’m probably never going to be a strict vegetarian. I love a good burger, or a nicely-cooked steak, or a big bowl of chicken and dumplings. But I eat vegetarian for more than 75% of my meals. And that’s good enough for me.
It was also the implied “Poor people shouldn’t have nice things” That ticked me off.
Not to leave out they’re easy to return stuff too.
Indeed.
I find the Amazon experience and prices to often be worse than elsewhere
Supposing the prices they charge are still less than what you would pay for the convenience of purchasing a product with no extra effort, why would you switch?
I have myself had aspirations to buy fewer things from Amazon. However. Even including stuff like this, I am happy to pay $10 extra to not have to dick around.
I hope Amazon has to pay money for this and that it hurts their business model, bit as a customer they are still scratching my itch 2 times out of 3.
Fabric.com they did the same thing with.
Now you can’t buy fabric by the yard hardly anywhere.
Joanne’s filed for bankruptcy and then closed, Michael’s has it sometimes, hobby lobby… they’ll take your money and make sure you’re gay cousin can’t get married…
The mom and pop fabric stores are dead…
I guess we’ll own nothing and be happy about it
Edit. Damn you autocorrect! Edit2. Clarity
I think you mean own nothing. Under capitalism you owe everything ;) just found the typo amusing
i owe my soul to the company store
Haha I wish it was owe. Autocorrect brought forth my hopes and dreams there apparently. Lol
Thanks for the heads-up tho.
Oh wow. First I’ve heard of this.
You can stop buying from Amazon whenever you choose to. There are online alternatives to every product they sell. You don’t need to be part of it. Whatever excuse you give is wrong.
Sure, but don’t deflect the responsibility to fix the economy onto the individual, this is a problem of monopoly and should be treated as such.
Time and again, across years and product categories, Amazon has reached out to its vendors and instructed them to increase retail prices on competitors’ websites, threatening dire consequences if vendors do not comply.
Yes, buying from alternative websites is the bare minimum and the bar is so low it’s underground. But that’s beside the point: Amazon is price fixing across the internet.
I buy things on eBay sometimes and it’s shipped by Amazon with a gift receipt lol
Further their prices often aren’t the best, and it’s going to continue getting worse.
Yeah, I cancelled my subscription last year and I thought I’d missed out because it was on Amazon. When I searched other sites I actually saved money in a few cases. Also, turns out I buy less now as well which is an overall win.
Meanwhile in Canada, if something falls into a niche good luck finding it in person. It’s getting beyond frustrating trying to buy in person to avoid Amazon, then finding out that nowhere carries it and having to order from Amazon anyway.
That’s what we get when Canada is a handful of monopolies in a trenchcoat instead of a country.
This is OK because our Leaders are Looking out For the COMMON man! That’s why I’m going to ENTHUSIASTICALLY Vote for the Billionaire AGAIN!
/s (Poe’s Law) ftfy
well they also see what products are doing well on their site, then making exact copies to sell at a loss to kill the original maker, then once the captured competition is killed take their place and inflate the price
Seen this happen on multiple occasions. I assumed it was other sellers, but now, I’m not so sure.
And nothing will be done about it probably
