🪟: absolutely atrocious. let’s do for-profit low quality software instead 😡
Tux, FF and VLC have been dailies in my life for over a decade. Many MANY thanks to them, and to ALL those pipple.
I wouldn’t call a lot if those “high quality”
I wouldn’t call a lot if those “high quality”
Apache OpenOffice??
Surely you meant LibreOffice. OpenOffice has basically been dead for years, with no significant work going on.
Lmao I’ve been doing a digital forensics class online, and it’s always got VMs with ancient versions of software on it, so I got to discover what Apache OpenOffice was. Love that they have to use FOSS to teach us shit since Windows needs a subscription.
Typo
I almost wrote dogital forensics. Is that using dogs to find data? Sniff out that hard drive and get datadumping boy!
get datadumping boy!
remember to scoop the poop after
Jesus those images must be 15-20 years old. I guess that’s probably still good enough for the basics but there’s been a lot of changes since then.
We’re always on some ancient Kali version and Windows XP to 10, and once we used some Linux Distro I’d never heard of in my life. The software is Autopsy, OSForensics, ProDiscover Basic 64, Hex Workshop, and more, a bonus one being IceWeasel (now known as GNU IceCat?). I genuinely want to gouge my eyes out when looking at the old Kali.
It’s an older image, not updated.
OpenOffice was dead before it was transferred to Apache, so it’s not old enough to excuse.
That Firefox logo is from 2019. Oracle killed OpenOffice in 2011. Like, they actually completely stopped all work on it. They intentionally killed it at least eight years before this image was made.
I agree that it shouldn’t be there. LibreOffice is the clear replacement.
All of the ones here are pretty old, so I can believe the meme is over 10 years old with mayve the firefox logo swapped out
LibreOffice has been updated? Interface still looks like it was designed for Windows 95.
Is there an office suite you had in mind that looks futuristic? Comparing a slightly old version of LibreOffice with a modern version of MS Office… They look pretty similar to me? (The gray document background in libreoffice is from me, it defaults to something closer to MS office).
I haven’t used Apple’s suite much, but it’s likely that LO could learn something from it, for the simple reason that Apple knows about the principles of grouping in design and thus never subscribed to the approach of ‘cram lots of buttons in the toolbars without spacing’.
However, changing the paradigm of the existing UI is probably a big ask.
Ah, I assumed you were comparing it to MS Office as the gold standard, and chose the tabbed mode to make it closest to that, though I don’t personally use it that way myself.
LibreOffice has a simpler mode, though not quite as bare-bones as your Apple example. It’s how I how use it personally:
There’s also a Sidebar mode, which can collapse out of the way when not in use, or be brought back by pressing a small button on the side of the program.
I agree it could stand to offer a mode with much more spacing and just the essential options, but I think for the most part, the simpler toolbar mode which I use is pretty adequate, and doesn’t feel overwhelming to use.
Alternatively, Libreoffice is quite customizable, so a user can remove every option from the toolbar they never use, and make it appear nicer and less cramped.
assumed you were comparing it to MS Office
I’m not the guy to whom you originally replied, so I’m just chiming in with my observations. I would never pose MS’ design as anything to aspire to, because MS only recently learned about the principles of grouping, which is very basic design stuff. Their design philosophy for ages consisted of crammed toolbars, crammed lists, and crammed tables.
Unfortunately, LibreOffice isn’t better in this regard, and won’t be until they work on the UI toolkit to allow a different approach (like e.g. Firefox does allow). Apple’s UI is good not because it’s ‘bare-bones’, but because it organises elements visually instead of piling them all into a giant toolbar for the user to wade through. Other Mac apps are the same way, usually including third-party ones because they follow Apple’s guidelines. Btw, iirc the toolbars are typically customizable.
Ah, so you are! My mistake :p
until they work on the UI toolkit to allow a different approach (like e.g. Firefox does allow)
Like how Firefox lets you drag and drop icons and spacers around? That would be cool to have in Libreoffice.
Apple’s UI is good not because it’s ‘bare-bones’, but because it organises elements visually instead of piling them all into a giant toolbar for the user to wade through.
Could definitely see that as a big improvement, even as someone quite used to the Windows 95 way of doing things (or at least, I prefer the old way to the ribbon), hopefully someone who has a similar itch to us as well as the capabilities to implement it does so someday :)
Like how Firefox lets you drag and drop icons and spacers around?
Yeah, the spacers are the key thing here, because humans perceive spaced-out things to be topically distinct. Meanwhile Windows always offered separator bars to divide groups of buttons in the toolbars, which of course added visual noise. Idk what toolkit LO uses, but from what I’ve seen Java UIs typically follow Windows’ conventions.
LibreOffice’s look stems in large part from the UI toolkit that they use. Which was guaranteed to look like Windows, since LO is made in Java, and is not gonna be changed easily.
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It still looks and behaves like StarOffice.
The templates they include look ancient as well. They do have a mediocre copy of Microsoft’s ribbon interface.
I mean, there’s no such thing as a good copy of Microsoft’s ribbon interface.
With enshitification nowadays, the fact that they’re nonprofit is the reason why the software is good quality.
That’s my main issue with windows in particular. Their bad decisions are known to be bad for the user, but in theory good for the shareholders.
I can accept I’m not the right user for a program or feature, but not that the features are against the users.
The Audacity!
Will they get away with it? Vee’ll see.
I’ll go home now, HEY DON’T PUSH ME
In May 2021, after the project was acquired by Muse Group,[58] there was a draft proposal to add opt-in telemetry to the code to record application usage. Some users responded negatively, with accusations of turning Audacity into spyware.[59] The company reversed course, falling back to error/crash reporting and optional update checking instead.[60] Another controversy in July 2021[61] resulted from a change to the privacy policy which said that although personal data was stored on servers in the European Economic Area, the program would “occasionally [be] required to share your personal data with our main office in Russia and our external counsel in the USA”.[62] That July, the Audacity team apologized for the changes to the privacy policy and removed mention of the data storage provision which was added “out of an abundance of caution”.[61]
Awwww… :(
Hey at least they removed mentioning it in the TOS!
Yeyyy!.. :)
…:(
required to share your personal data with our main office in Russia and our external counsel in the USA
Which most probably means that if you report a bug, you send them data about your installation and whatever additional data you include, like the email to contact you.
Lawyers keep stepping on this rake time and again when writing terms and policies.
Where is FreeCad in this one? I’ve started using it after buying a 3d printer, and it’s awesome what that piece of software lets me create.
Shoutout to openscad!
It’s got OpenOffice in it. This picture must be ancient.
Got any links to learning? Ive gotten pretty far in fusion360 but am trying to transition and found f360 let’s me be too lazy or sketch centric/doesn’t require parametric rules
Check out MangoJelly on YouTube. The guy has hundreds of tutorials for FreeCAD and they’re great
Ive found it useful to search for a freecad tutorial for any object on YouTube and follow it, making an actual thing. Even if that thing is not of use to me, I learn from building it and use those concepts in what I want to build.
I wonder if it changed much in the last year. The assembly implementation is what’s holding me back. Well, that and staring at cad all day at work already.
Freecad is my first cad experience, so I have no idea what I’m missing out on. That said, try the 1.1rc3 there’s a lot of changes between 1 and 1.1
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definitely a goated application on linux by now. I’ve just started using it, and holy cow, it’s way more capable than I thought it was. 1.0 was a blessing!
Heck, they won’t even let you into a difficult-to-cancel subscription! What are they thinking? Think of the revenue!
I heard they don’t collect your private information and sell it to third parties, either. It’s as if they hate society itself!
I’m not sure Firefox belongs on this list. Google finances Mozilla’s operation to the tune of $420M a year. It’s not for-profit, but it’s also not the same as the others.
It’s an easy paycheck for allowing Google as the default search setting. If Microsoft paid as much we would be seeing the same arguments about Bing.
If you have better ideas for financing firefox, go ahead :)
Do what they did with Thunderbird. https://blog.thunderbird.net/2023/05/thunderbird-is-thriving-our-2022-financial-report/
Google wants to finance anything they can get their damn search engine into, that’s not entirely the fault of Firefox. I still use a firefox-based browser, but only for now.
There is ladybird on the horizon, a browser being built from scratch, not based on either Gecko or Webkit.
Servo is way way way ahead and isn’t being built by fascist white supremacist and sympathizers.
who are the fascists and white supremacists?
And the Blender foundation gets yearly donations from tech giants like Epic, NVidia, Unity, Google and even car makers like BMW and Volkswagen. Even Adobe, their competitor, sponsors them.
It’s still a not-for-profit same with Mozilla. Doesn’t matter who funds them or how much they get in funding.
What people don’t always remember about FOSS is they are just making it for themselves they are users as well as devs. The great thing about FOSS is if someone else happens to use it that’s great and maybe they will contribute to something they use.
Yeah and they get other devs contributing to their project. Nobody’s making Firefox or Blender as a solo project, but band together with some other nerds and this is what you get.
Never doubt the power of nerds arguing over their specific interests to make something amazing. Wikipedia is arguably one of the greatest achievements of humankind, entirely powered by nerd fights.
yeah I recently built myself a music player because I was just so disappointed with all the available options on Linux. Nothing had EVERYTHING I wanted. Many had really crappy shuffles or just didn’t include one at all. many just wouldn’t play the entirety of your music collection and most simply wouldn’t do both online streaming and local music playback. So I built one that’s TUI based that does everything I want and it’s perfect. Allows me to play music from QoBuz, my Navidrome server, or just local music files OR I can play all three making a “SUPER” music library. Shuffle that ACTUALLY shuffles the ENTIRE collection. search feature, integration with soulseek to download music to either my local machine or navidrome and qobuz search to add to that playlist.
I’m not going to release it because A. like i said it’s perfect for me and B. I dont’ want to deal with users git issues or having to deal with other devs wanting to contribute. It works, it’s mine, and that’s that. will never see the light of day.
Can I ask how you integrated Qobuz? I see they have a locked API and no other obvious way to integrate
honestly I just looked at what others have done with qobuz-player which is a TUI qobuz player and pretty much copied and pasted that.
Thanks, I’ll have a look at that!
Openoffice-> LibreOfficeSeriously, don’t use OpenOffice, it’s abandoned for over 10 years.
So many people let perfect be the enemy of good. Firefox is great. It’s the pillar of non-Chromium of browsers. Servo and Ladybird are not there yet and will take many years to surpass Firefox if ever. A Firefox fork has a better shot than those 2
GIMP is great software. Is it just Photoshop and Affinity better than it. Not seeing as much hate on Inkscape when it’s just Adobe and Affinity as better.
OpenOffice is outdated but was good for like ~2010
A bunch of y’all would have been ragging on Blender 10 years ago. Ragging on Krita. In 2012 acting like gaming in Linux was doomed. In 2015 acting like Kdenlive would never reduce crashes and improve functionality. Acted like Darktable would never be competitive with Lightroom. Godot would be no good for anything more than 2d sidescrollers and never compete with Unity 5. A bunch of do nothing fence sitters. Firefox and GIMP developers contribute more to the good of humanity than anyone crying about them in this thread
I use Firefox because Google killed Manifest v2 support and (with it) uBlock Origin. Unfortunately they seem to be heading towards the AI slop route.
Yes, Edge and Brave exist but one is maintained by Microslop and will likely also follow in Google’s footsteps, and the other I don’t particularly trust because they have a homophobe as CEO and did some crypto token shit with their ad system.
A bunch of y’all would have been ragging on Blender 10 years ago. Ragging on Krita. In 2012 acting like gaming in Linux was doomed. In 2015 acting like Kdenlive would never reduce crashes and improve functionality. Acted like Darktable would never be competitive with Lightroom. Godot would be no good for anything more than 2d sidescrollers and never compete with Unity 5. A bunch of do nothing fence sitters. Firefox and GIMP developers contribute more to the good of humanity than anyone crying about them in this thread
The last time I used Linux as a desktop OS was around 2008. Back then the state of FOSS was absolutely dire.
I used to have a shitty Packard Bell PC at home which was weirdly partitioned, 20GB dedicated to the C:\ partition and 100GB dedicated to D:. An asshole “friend” at school goaded me into pirating Norton PartitionMagic and using it to merge the two partitions and pretty much totalled my Windows installation. As I didn’t have a backup CD I had to use Ubuntu for a few months.
The only game I genuinely got working on Linux was World of Warcraft and even installing that was a pain. WC3 was supposedly “Platinum” on Wine’s AppDB but would often freeze and didn’t support using the mouse to move the camera. Some versions also couldn’t connect online.
Fastfoward to today and gaming on Linux has evolved by leaps and bounds, in large part thanks to Valve. The only games you genuinely can’t get running are those with kernel level anticheat software.
A Firefox fork has a better shot than those 2
Yes.
For example, LibreWolf skipped the AI forced-down-the-throat drama.
I think maybe LibreWolf only ships with Debian, by default; but it is also in the repositories for Mint, and so I assume also Ubuntu.
A Firefox fork has a better shot than those 2
Yes.
For example, LibreWolf skipped the AI forced-down-the-throat drama.
I think maybe LibreWolf only ships with Debian, by default; but it is also in the repositories for Mint, and so I assume also Ubuntu.
Sure it’s great, but man Mozilla won’t get my money, same for Wikimedia
Audacity sold out and is now spyware; use Tenacity instead.
Wait, what?!? You got a source for that?
I’ll be pissed if it’s true… Audacity holds a special place in my heart.
Really? It doesn’t look like it - theta been some bleating about lag and far of oy uploading audio but other than a whole lot if argument, I can’t see much in the way of details, let alone facts
Ok, while most of these don’t have companies behind them with huge revenues, most work on these projects is done by paid developers, with money coming from sponsorships, grants, donations and support deals. (Or in the case of Linux - device drivers are a prerequisite for anyone buying your product).
Developers getting paid to work on open source is a good thing. These projects may have begun their life as small hobby projects - they aren’t anymore. (And that’s probably good)
