The second-generation Blade battery can charge from 10-70% in just about five minutes and from 10-97% in under 10 minutes. More impressively, the company showcased the battery charging flawlessly from 20-97% at -22°F (-30°C) in just about 12 minutes, only around three minutes slower than it charges in normal temperatures.
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The EV was plugged in at 9% state of charge with 93 kilometers of range (57 miles). In 9 minutes and 51 seconds, it charged up to 97% with the range prediction in their gauge cluster displaying 1,008 kilometers (626 miles). This is likely calibrated for the China Light-Duty Test Cycle (CLTC), which tends to be more optimistic than the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) test cycle in the U.S.
Still, these charging speeds are way faster than the 20-40 minute charging stops on the latest EVs in the U.S. The new BYD EVs can basically recharge in nearly the same time it takes to refill a gas car. Even the new 1,500 kilowatt (1.5 megawatt) Flash charging stations are arranged like a traditional gas station for cars to quickly drive in and drive out.
Energy density or GTFO.
I’m tired of articles that purposefully skip the actually important data
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I bet they actually have incentives to create better technology.
chinese companies are often run by engineers not management consultants, lawyers and accountants.
They also pour money into many hands. Usually their industries are pretty competitive internally. they have more EV car makers than I can remember
Meanwhile ford wants to charge you a monthly fee for the luxury of opening the trunk n you e-mustang
How uninspiring are these “features” like charging for heated seats and using a “frunk” it really is pathetic.
😆 what a joke
can charge from 10-70% in just about five minutes
Why is that always a metric? Yeah, with a tiny battery or a kilowatt line maybe.
More important is the cycle count.
Edit: btw, why don’t charging stations have a supercapacitor?Because the power charging curve is non linear. You have to charge the battery slowly when it’s almost depleted or full. So they only post the numbers that make them sound best.
Got it. Thanks!
Cycle count is important for the lifetime estimate on the battery, how long before you have to spend a large portion of the cost of the car on replacing / refurbishing a key component.
“Fill up” time is the most obvious and common ‘maintenance’ anyone will ever do on their vehicle. One of the biggest objections large swaths of the population have about EVs is/was that could take an hour or more for each stop on a long road trip or if you can’t charge at home. (apartment / street parking / etc.) They usually do 10-70%r 80 or whatever because the speed trails off exponentially closer to 100%. (logarithmically? whichever.)
There is no incentive for US companies to improve their products when they are protected from market forces by import restrictions.
What US companies? Only three remain (GM, Ford, Tesla) and they make up a fraction of sales here in the US. The Chinese government is dumping truckloads of money into subsidies and development, control nearly all rare earth minerals, and don’t shy away from environmental disasters and human rights abuses which is why they’re the only nation on the planet that’s able to develop this rapidly and sell their vehicles for way less than anyone else on the planet. Once they control everything you can kiss those low prices and rapid development goodbye, but you’ll still buy from them because nobody else will be left standing.
If all that is true, then the US should subsidize US ev’s to the point where they are price competitive and open the market to competition where US manufacturers can market against the environmental and human right issues with their Chinese competitors. That would put competitive pressure on Chinese manufacturers to clean up their supply chains and consumers worldwide would benefit.
The US is battling the environmental and human rights issues that so agitate them about China by promoting ‘clean coal’ and rounding up brown people in concentration camps without due process.
It’s almost as if environmental and human rights issues weren’t their real concern 🤔.
At that point you’re having tax payers subsidize failing businesses that only try to collect profits over innovation. Giving more money from the poor to the rich.
Not to mention how hard you’d have to subsidize. Aside from the huge amount of money in constructing plants capable of building like China, you’d be subsidizing pay differences to a huge degree. Automakers in the US average around $30 US an hour. Chinese average $3.75 US an hour. Our two economies can’t really play together that well because the differences are so massive.
Tax the fuck out of the rich on anything over like $1.5 million a year, and close all the loopholes and the problems fix themselves. The rich and the corrupt government our the problem.
Who’s going to build them though? GM and Ford have almost completely eliminated producing vehicles that aren’t SUVs and trucks because nobody was buying them and Tesla is floundering with a Nazi leading the company. Most people are buying German, Japanese, or South Korean cars and they aren’t able to compete against China either for all the aforementioned reasons.
The fact that nobody else in the entire world can match what they’re doing despite hundreds and hundreds of collective years building and selling cars should clue you in to what’s happening. It’s like saying a city should subsidize their local general store to compete against Walmart and wondering why nobody is doing just that.
A loss of overall competitiveness of the local companies is actually a well known and studied problem with using tariffs and import restrictions to protects said local companies.
So any competent government which desires for their local companies to survive and prosper will seek different ways to strengthen then which don’t suffer from that problem. The Chinese government is doing just that, the US government is not.
By all indications, US politicians are spectacularly incompetent and/or are following a strategy of burning the future of US companies for a short term boost in the money they yield for current CxOs and investors.
But what about the majority of cars sold in the US which belong to foreign manufacturers, and what’s your answer for why none of those nations are able to compete with what China is doing either?
Apparently no other government in the entire world is “competent” by your standards, or perhaps it’s about one nation leveraging their position and influence in order to build a monopoly and not about competency at all.
I can tell you that, at least for Europe, they’re doing pretty much the same thing as the US, only it’s higher tariffs rather than blocking the Chinese products.
The effect of special protectionist tariffs on the competitiveness of local companies might not be as strong as for outright blocking of the competing foreign products, but it’s in the same direction, which is why recently even Tesla (which are shit at the actual building cars part of the business) were wiping the floor on EVs with massive European car making businesses which had enormous expertise in actually making cars and decades to evolve EV tech and failed to do so.
They’re fully in thrall to market forces. Those forces simply dictate that they lobby for protected markets. It’s far cheaper to buy off a lobbyist than to build a cutting edge battery factory
“Burning the future of the company for extra personal upsides in the short term” is pretty much MBA-Age management strategy summarized in one sentence.
You do realise China also have very high tariffs? And pump hundreds of billions dollars in incentives into their industries.
Yes, of course. A larger point that I’ve tried to make is that when China interferes with the market, they do it in a way that improves Chinese products, lowers prices for consumers. Conversely, when the US interferes with the market they increase prices, reduce consumer options, and reduces the quality of products.
Charge time sounds great, but what about the number of charge cycles (I.e. longevity), the article did not mention that.
They don’t mention it, but I highly suspect its actually not significant.
I used to think fast charging did the same thing, but it turns out that even the heaviest wattage implementations have negligible effects on cycles and health.
As long as your driver is smart enough to control or manipulate the voltage at certain capacities (<15% and >85%), the higher power won’t affect the cell quality.
You are correct. This is for phones, where it is worse than for EVs, but:
As long as your driver is smart enough to control or manipulate the voltage at certain capacities
I feel like this is the important detail here…
When buying a car, you can’t have a clue whether that is the case.
I used to believe fast charging is harmless in phones too. It isn’t. I charge my phone only to 80%, and not daily. I haven’t lost a single % of battery health in almost a year. Meanwhile my friends charge to 100% and very often, always on fast charging. I got a friend to install accubattery to check their health and it was at 93% after only about 1.5 years.
Tl;dr: I suspect the driver will be dogshit and cause batteries to get destroyed in anything but the flagship car models to increase battery service revenue BY A LOT…
Do I understand correctly - you charge to 80%, have zero degradation, but also only use 80% of your battery at most because of that.
Your fast-charging friend, meanwhile, has been using all 100% down to 93% battery for these 1.5 years. Maybe, in a bad scenario his battery will degrade to 80% in 1-2 years and he’ll start using only 80% of his like you?
Where’s the upside in this, unless you’re both planing to use same phone in e.g. 5 years and you might get ahead in battery capacity finally?
There are many upsides.
One is my phone survives longer and when I sell it second hand to a less fortunate person, they get a phone with a battery in perfect condition.
Another is that my phone holds more value.
Another is that I remove a worry from my head. I’m no longer questioning whether I am destroying my battery.
Though I don’t see the upside of charging to 100%. I literally dont need to. An 80% charge lasts me like 3 days so I usually charge every 2 days in case I need my phone.
Where’s the upside in this, unless you’re both planing to use same phone in e.g. 5 years and you might get ahead in battery capacity finally?
Not EVERYTHING is about having something better than someone else, jesus, I’m so tired of this mentality of “I gotta have just a little more than that other guy”. Why should I try to get more if I literally don’t need it?
Why would I want my phone to charge in 5 minutes if I spend 6-8 hours sleeping myself???
Why would I want to charge to 100% if 80% lasts me 3 damn days? (And that’s if I use my phone a decent amount)
If you need 100% charge daily by all means charge to 100% at full fast charging speed but I literally don’t need it.
Though I have no idea how anyone would go through 100% of their battery before they go to sleep for any less than 2-3 hours that it takes to “slow” charge a phone… I guess using the phone as a dash cam would do that as an example.
Every time I’ve seen someone test this hypothesis - as in doing a long-term experiment with the specific purpose of testing whether fast charging harms battery health - the result has come back that it doesn’t make much deference at all
It’s also worth pointing out that every battery is different and apps like Accubattery are imprecise. It’s entirely possible that your 100% and your friend’s 93% are actually exactly the same. It’s also possible that their battery would have displayed 93% when brand new
I crossreferenced my testing a lot though I cant 100% guarantee what I found is accurate.
Though I can say this: I don’t think built-in health monitors in phones are worth a damn. My gran’s phone was showing at 100% health when accubattery was at a whopping 73%. Testing the old and new battery, the new battery held up just about 30% more time than the old one on youtube playback.
I did other things that I wont get into
This is why I chose to trust accubattery and pretty much invalidate other testing in my head. I know it’s one single test and sample but this is my information and I trust it at lleast for now.
Some phones get over 70°C while fast charging, which is not healthy for the battery first.
Yea the temperature change is what kills afaik.
so after 1.5 yrs you’re at 80% and they’re at 93%?
the new 1,500 kilowatt (1.5 megawatt) Flash charging stations
Must be nice. In Spain the charging infrastructure looks like it’s literally designed to torture EV owners.
Those are some impressive numbers but I’m skeptical of anything China claims about their own tech. I don’t doubt their battery tech is great but I’ve seen so many AI/CGI videos of their humanoid robots doing crazy shit and people online are eating it up.
Makes me think about the third-rate makers whose EV batteries consist of nothing but hundreds or thousands of LiPo cells soldered together then packed in a plastic container.
Isn’t that just a modern Tesla at this point?
I saw one of those videos, with batteries from vapes, but it wasn’t about saying “look at this cool battery I made”, but rather about saying “look at the waste of throwing away vapes with rechargeable batteries”.
15 years ago it was a revolutionary idea
Who spends 12 minutes putting petrol in their car?
Given the responses and the downvotes i can only assume that people have misunderstood the post. I’m not saying “electric bad because long change time“. I’m responding to the claim in the article that it takes the same amount of time as refuelling a combustion engine. This is not true
I’ll spend 12 minutes waiting so I’m not dependant on gas prices and to reduce emissions.
Is the average overweight American F150 driver really so much quicker? You need to consider them getting out of the car, pumping gasoline, waddling inside to pay, waddling back, climbing into the truck all without dying of a heart attack or shortness of air.
Who said racism can’t be funny?
5 minutes to get it to 70% capacity, with a battery that drives several hundred miles on a charge.
But if you’re at the mall and there’s a charging station, you can plug it in and refill it while you do your shopping.
The only Fast Charging most EV owners do is on road trips. The rest is more like plugging your cell phone in while you sleep. So the relevant comparison is: how long do you usually stop for a bio-break & snack+checkout. I wish I could get the family in and out a convenience store as fast as the EV6 charges (though it’s much slower than Blade2’s high-speed charge).
Of course, most petrol users fuel-up weekly in the USA, so the petrol car is starting each road trip at a disadvantage. If you fuel-up with petrol for 4 minutes, 4x/month, and road-trip 1x/month, then the petrol car starts each road trip 16 minutes behind.
Don’t worry about down votes, this isn’t reddit. That said, useful context from the article is always helpful to prompt meaningful discussion.
Oh, i don’t care. It was just a cute that maybe i should have quoted the sentence i was referencing
wtf is that headline. Its a nice improvement but I wouldnt go that far. Its 5-10mins afters and has a better operating temp(allegedly) and ~10-20% extra range. Its nice but the gap isnt that huge.
