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Nobody gives a fuck about your weaseling technicalities. The salient fact is that this change was made in order to “comply in advance” with totalitarian fuckery. It SIGNALS POLITICAL SUPPORT for it, and that’s not okay!
I studied at the PR in question and that’s not the conclusion I arrive at. Let me try to explain how this looks to me.
Also keep in mind, I do think we absolutely need to keep the political pressure on and push back on identity-gating policies with all our collective might. In that light the PR itself does the two things I’d absolutely require here: one, it allows the user to put whatever value they want in that field, including none at all, and two, it disallows all apps from reading that field without the user’s active permission.
Basically it’s a superficially valid implementation of a bullshit requirement that still leaves all the power in the user’s hands and therefore renders the requirement meaningless. Or in other words, a huge middle finger to the proponents of age-checking.
Mind you, I feel there’s also value in loud non-compliance and I’m glad some are taking that road – keep it up, folks. But I’m leery of demands that only one single approach be taken. This needs to be fought on every front we can. And to me the PR in question reads like an effective defensive move.
That’s something I wondered about the person who implemented this too, I wonder if it was an attempt to install a bare minimum to say “There. We did it. Leave us alone.” Instead of leaving it up to the government to force the issue, and he’s getting absolutely raked over the coals for it.
If that’s the case, I feel terribly bad about this backfiring so hard on him. I do think we should be putting up a lot more resistance before resorting to something like this though.
I “love” how everyone now recommends alternative/non-systemd distros, not realizing that those will have to implement exactly the same sooner or later. Systemd is just moving fast.
You only have to implement it if you care about a stupid law. Fuck.The.Law.
Best lawyer ever
Just don’t care about the stupid law!
If you are an international organized collective without monetary goals - who the fuck cares about local law? What is the worst that can happen - threaten to jail a person that is using $LINUX_DISTRIBUTION?
No, they threaten to jail the creator of $LINUX_DISTRIBUTION. I think the best stance is Arch’s current stance of doing nothing and saying nothing.
And WHO does they want to jail? If its an operation that is distributed all over the world…
us law doesnt existvputside the united states. systemd is not a corporation, its open source code.
But systemd exists inside the US. What do you want, an optional field to be optional for the US? Then good news, the fucking optional field is already optional.
Sometimes, I feel like Lemmy lives in this leftist utopia that doesn’t really exist. It’s really weird.
You do realise there are many different jurisdictions om this planet, right? Some fight back more valiant against this shit than others.
Of course it’s still up in the air where which law will be introduced, but assuming every single distro or project has to follow the same laws is naive.
Couldn’t reply to me pointing out that this was merged, and was stated to be explicitly to support age verification laws, so you had to lie about it as a meme instead.
Because thats what youre doing right now, lying and spreading misinformation. You can admit it.
The birth date field that was added can be used by age verification processes, but it’s not age verification itself.
It was added specifically for the purpose of two state laws and Brazil.
Trying to weasel it as “this doesnt implement it” is misinformation at best.
Age verification could be a usecase. The PR in question just adds a optional date field labeled birth date. If you are mad about age verification (as you should be) feel free to direct your rage elsewhere.
Age verification could be a usecase.
ITS THE EXPRESS PURPOSE AS WRITTEN IN THE PR.
I will absolutely direct my anger and frustration where it belongs, which includes systemd along with the dumbasses pushing these laws.
As well as you for spreading misinformation. Make no mistake, its deserved.
Can’t tell if you’re a bad faith pedant or just indescribably naive.
It’s enablement.
Of what?
They ask for it to store a date today, ask for IDs the next. Heck they already want 3d printers to somehow identify if they’re printing parts that can be used in guns, but 3d printers don’t have that kind of computing power nor should they need that so odds are most companies will require an internet connection and upload to a central server to be analyzed. And thus privacy goes away unintentionally.
ask for IDs the next.
Who? How?
It’s just a stupid “slippery slope” fear mongering. “Then Linux will require a child sacrifice to even boot and will not connect to the internet unless you recite the entire Pledge of Allegiance”.
They aren’t “asking for a date”
The PR in question just adds a way to store a birth date. That’s it
In order to comply with the specific Californian law. It’s referenced in the PR. If you could read (to quote your meme) you’d be very upset.
Hell no, we didn’t fall for anything. This is a real problem with real and far-reaching consequences, associated to multiple legislative attacks against privacy etc, pushed by corporates and religious groups.
YOU fell for the “think of the children” lie and “It’s just a text field” BS. No, this is far worse than just a text field.
Do you feel the same about the “user name” field? Do you consider that to also be the end of privacy and the road to totalitarianism?
source? i mean you went through the effort to post a meme about it at least include the relevant information
I foresee an astronomical amount of people born at unix epoch to appear if it becomes a required field lol
Since it’s about birth dates, shouldn’t it be an astrological amount of people?
That might just make it easier for them to put them all on a list. Use random dates instead, then they have to identify you and confirm you’re not using your real date to put you on that list.
Lawmakers don’t care whether you’re 18 or 56
Well I still don’t dang like it I’ll tell you hwat.
There’s a bunch of idiots looking to crucify someone over this. This fucking witchhunt bullshit is really shaking my faith in the basic goodness of the Linux community. Trying to make some dev that put a line of code in systemd into a pariah isn’t a good look for opensource.
Edit: 4 fuckwits and counting that don’t have the courage to show their usernames by telling me why I’m wrong to despise pitchfork mobs.
Just because one idiot state in the US changes a law doesn’t mean the entire world needs to follow. Fuck em.
I don’t even know where this rumour came from.
systemd is introducing birthDate as a user json field, if that’s what you mean with rumor.
The PR to revert that change was not merged:
Next the OS will have to verify this is correct
Be like grapheneos and say no to age verification
That is (or is not) happening regardless of systemd involvement. This is just a place to store the value. Not having such a place in systemd would just mean it is stored in some other place. This doesn’t make it significantly easier to implement age verification nor would reverting it make it significantly harder. It’s just a field that may be used by people who are legally obligated to store or read that data.
Every rant about systemd is a wasted opportunity to yell at someone who deserves it, honestly. Focus on the people pushing age verification laws or doing age verification.
It’s another domino fallen, another step towards absolute control
I don’t think that’s a reasonable assessment of this change
It’s not a rumor, systemd merged a PR that explicitly said it was to allow handling the new age verification laws. Just because they aren’t actually verifying anything doesn’t mean that they didn’t merge code in direct support of the laws. And why in the world would this even be handled at systemd level anyway?
All of this was discussed in the PR.
Systemd is present on the vast majority of Linix systems so it made the most sense to put it in systemd. It is an optional field so it is up to applications and distros on weither to use it for something. Age verification laws are legally binding so compliance is not optional.
If you have a problem with age verification call your local lawmaker. Don’t attack a bunch of devs who somehow got stuck in the middle.
All of this was discussed in the PR.
Systemd is present on the vast majority of Linix systems so it made the most sense to put it in systemd. It is an optional field so it is up to applications and distros on weither to use it for something. Age verification laws are legally binding so compliance is not optional.
If you have a problem with age verification call your local lawmaker. Don’t attack a bunch of devs who somehow got stuck in the middle.
Well, how do I put it… compliance is optional
Because most people apparently don’t know the difference between a system manager and an operating system.
And then they scream RTFM at linux noobs
