Very good. My TL;DR take:
The American and German approach of letting incumbents build monopolies, allowing wasteful overbuild, and refusing to regulate natural monopolies is often called a ‘free market.’
But it’s not free. And it’s not a market.
True capitalism requires competition. But infrastructure is a natural monopoly. If you treat it like a regular consumer product, you don’t get competition. You get waste, or you get a monopoly.
The Swiss model understands this. They built the infrastructure once, as a shared, neutral asset, and then let the market compete on the services that run over it.
That’s not anti-capitalist. It’s actually better capitalism. It directs competition to where it adds value, not to where it destroys it.
The free market doesn’t mean letting powerful incumbents do whatever they want. It means creating the conditions where genuine competition can thrive.
Some right libertarians actually believe the bullshit that free markets magically pop up out of the ground like weeds if you just don’t regulate anything. This is obviously untrue. You need the right type of regulation to have a free market. Otherwise you end up with cartels and monopolies.
Those that operate the cartels and monopolies know this, but continue to feed the propaganda machine that spouts the opposite.
Not that I am one, but I believe true libertarians should be rabidly pro anti-trust legislation, letting corporations fail, and a 100% inheritance tax above a threshold.
True libertarians are. Companies shouldn’t get tax payer bailouts.
What a terrific summary. Thank you
so capitalism good when done right - couldn’t agree more
Note This article is written by me and spell checked with AI. Many of the images are generated by AI. They are mostly to explain certain points and break up the wall of text.
Well FUCK YOU!
Use your word processor to spell check, and buy stock photos taken by humans, which have probably been ripped off to train that AI.
Your disclaimer doesn’t legitimize anything.
Yep I saw that it had AI slop and immediately closed the window.
Frankly idgaf what an AI user has to say.
Lmao. I have 25 Mbps. Let alone 25 Gbps. Thanks Malcolm turnballs
I have fttp and it goes airtight but I pay for the best I can get and still only get 850mbs on a good day.
But 3 years ago I only got 18Mbps so my jump on speed is amazing
In Spain many towns have some tiny local ISP that offers fiber. My town (population 30k) has two local ISPs. I can get 10Gbit for 30 euros/month. Even remote villages have fiber.
And then there’s germany: I pay 43 Euros a month for only 100 MBit/s via cable. Nice to see how fckn far behind we are lol.
Don’t sweat it to much. That’s almost the same pricing and speed I have in Finland, but it’s no fiber and there is just 1 internet service provider for the physical cable.
But here in merica cable internet providers have done everything they can to stop fiber from happening.
They do this through legal injunction. They don’t play fair they have the courts stop compilation for them.
because America keeps giving money to broadband companies, who promise to improve internet speeds and access… give the money to executives as bonuses, do shit all with speeds or access, and their reward is another dumptruck of money to expand access and speeds… Which they 20 return to 10 and give it all out as executive bonuses again and do fuck all for the customer/citizens
oh, and when municipalities try to run their own broadband, they force them to shut down because its not fair for them to compete with the monopolistic internet companies. 🙄
Because America is a Banana Republic with nukes and wall street.
This isn’t particularly unique. India, Pakistan, France, UK, Israel and Russia would match that description. Many of the listed countries are better at doing internet than the states.
And fweedum!
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I’m out in the country in Colorado. I have a small local ISP. I can get 10Gb if I want it. I have 100Mb because that’s all I need. Honestly, for most people, I really don’t know what you’d do with 25Gb. Even 10Gb is tough for alot of home users. The equipment is out there and not even that expensive, but its also not something most people own. Most people who own that sort of stuff are either home labbers or tech enthusiasts. And even if most people did, they would rarely use it to its full potential. For most people 2.5Gb is far more practical. Oddly enough it can be harder and more expensive to get your hands on than 10Gb because it’s just starting to really penetrate the consumer market, where 10Gb was common in datacenters for a long time, so used equipment is quite reasonable.
The biggest issue with ISPs in the US is that you have legacy players entrenched in a market and unwilling to spend the money to do upgrades. The main reason I have what I have is because a local company saw an opportunity to go into a space others were failing badly at and used a state grant to help fund the buildout. Soon, I may have a second option because my electric co-op is working on their own build. Since they answer to their members and not the stock market, now that fiber is cheap, they can build this stuff widely. We need more of all that.
Oh wow not going to lie I’m kind of jealous. I’d pull the trigger on 10 gbps in a heartbeat. I’m in CA and crapcast offered me overpriced 1 gbps down & 40 mbps up. Yes, you read that right, 40 mbps up in 2026. Didn’t have much of a choice so I bought it. I have my own homelab, download a lot of 4k linux isos, and completely saturate my both download & upload bandwidth around the clock
To make you even more jealous, the 100Mbps I pay for tests as that, both up and down. For $48/month, no billing shenanigans. I had 1Gbps for a bit and it was testing near gigabit ethernet’s theoretical maximum, both up and down. Fiber to the rack is kind of awesome. Oh and when I call for tech support, I get somebody local. I’ve actually gotten one of the owners before. And they do a yearly Halloween party/customer appreciation day. Talking with one of the owners, it’s like he practically expects that people are going to be downloading those 4k Linux isos.
You’d probably like what I had before - awful DSL. I was near the maximum limit for DSL. The technician said the line could do 15Mbps. I usually ended up around 12. And I was the lucky one. Some of my neighbors were like 1.5. So glad to dump Centurylink.
Here in Sweden I have over 20 choices of providers, many with specific a focus. One that is superb, which is the one I have, don’t do any tracking or information gathering at all. They are fully focused on privacy, an open Internet and have helped countries in need, like Ukraine, with hardware to keep Internet access on. They’ve been raided and taken to court over not following the required IP address storage laws and some other things of deliberately not collecting information. Their newsletter is so good too, all about privacy and relevant tech news. Seriously couldn’t dream of a better ISP.
Cries in German
So?
“Aaaaaaaaaaaaah, warum??? Warummmm???”
Kohl
I suppose there’s a long German word that describes that feeling.
Now we just need some decentralised stuff so that we can communicate directly with one and another.
Interesting!
Do you know where people discuss things like this? ( I have my own similar protocol.)
Unfortunately I don’t. I’ve only seen a couple youtube videos covering it and other similar mesh networks (LoRa). I’m getting more and more tempted to buy some hardware and find out how it actually works though.
I sifted through the site and checked out the git repo but the only real information I found is that it’s made by some Mark Qvist. The search goes on, I’m very curious about how they do the “DNS”/address propagation.
Lemmy is so volatile, I’d love some old forum where information like this piles up 😁.
On a side note, here’s my shameless plug for my “P2P” sharing protocol Tenfingers if you would like to check it out ☺️.
I’m sure this will be lost in the comments but you CAN get 25GBit here in 'murica. My ISP offers it… But this ISP is also considered one of the best in the world so… https://epb.com/fi-speed-internet/#choose-your-plan
Just for reference Init7 offers 25 Gbit/s for 65 CHF a month. Thats about 83 USD.
They have the same monthly price for 1 Gbit/s 10 Gbit/s and 25 Gbit/s. Only the initial install for the higher speed optics costs 77 CHF or 222 CHF more respectively.
I’m still on their 1Gbit/s service because I’m too lazy and cheap to replace my router and LAN with 10 Gbit/s equipment.
Those are insane prices. I live in Brazil and I have gigabit internet for 32-ish dollars.
Are those converted to USD?
How much do you make in salary after taxes?Because as far as I read everywhere about US and salaries, it’s not that unusual for regular skilled jobs to achieve 6-figure yearly salaries.
Dang I pay $900 for 5gbit
$30/mo for 10 Gbit here in Japan. They just started offering 25 Gbit in parts of Tokyo this month for $200/mo
I really am hoping to leave the US in the next year or so, unfortunately Japan wasn’t on my list but…maybe for that…
Fuck comcast. Fuck 2tb bandwidth limit unless you get their fuckass router. Fuck them.
Not that it absolves them of their bullshit, but you can set their router to bridge mode and use your own. It still removes the bandwidth limit.
It is a PITA to set up bridging though, thanks to their fuckery with the software. Fuck comcast
Because it’s more profitable to charge people without upgrading the infrastructure. That’s how privatized systems work. It used to be about building a better product to attract consumers, now it’s about squeezing consumers for the most profit and minimizing costs.
It’s only more profitable if there isn’t competition. He lays it out quite well in his blog post. It’s not like the Swiss ISPs are all publicly owned.
Google tried to break regional US monopolies with Google Fiber, which to my surprise is still going despite Google’s best efforts to kill off projects that aren’t immediately successful and is active in 19 US states or around 40 different cities.
The only way I can see this catastrophe ending is one of three ways:
- Satellite internet - Elon Musk would need to massively drop the price of Starlink to encourage others to switch, or a competitor would need to pop up and offer similar service at a lower price point, likely through Blue Origin or Virgin Galactic.
- The US collectively vote the Republicans out of office by a landslide and bring in a left-wing Democrat leader. Won’t happen for so many reasons.
- Mesh networks. Something like Freifunk but on a much bigger scale.
Not only is Google Fiber still going, it actually has begun expanding service again after being stuck in limbo for a while.
It’s a strange one, to be sure, but I guess they see a benefit to the infrastructure they built.
Well you just have to make everyone rich first! Then when everyone’s rich they can solve the problem all by themselves! (Jordan Peterson’s argument for climate change.)
