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It’s basically just their Outlook web app. It offers no extra function, and breaks a LOT of old functionality.
There’s a registry key to turn off the button.
There’s a registry key to turn off the button.
Of course it’s a registry key.
A registry key which is probably reset every 3rd update anyway, as usual.
Don’t even need the damn button. Yesterday while playing some fullscreen game with critical network usage (CSGO) my windows 10 with edited group policies and registry keys to block updates just switched to the outlook from the old mail program and ran it in the foreground (behind the game).
Microsoft doesn’t give a fuck about the user consent, the settings for updates, settings for game focus, out-of-the-way advanced user controls etc. These settings don’t even need to be defaulted without consent via updates, it seems they outright don’t work.
Oof. If you aren’t using them, you can uninstall the default included MS Store Apps with PowerShell. Could have saved you some trouble.
I was going to say I had a similar setup and didn’t get that update, but I remembered I had uninstalled the mail app.
Had a similar issue where my computer (w10) would restart while I was away and update my gpu driver which would crash regularly. There’s two different places in windows where you can disable this, one in general and one for specifically the device. None of them worked. Basically was forced to do the whole restart to safe mode -> destroy driver -> restart -> install driver -> restart every day. What solved it was a gpo but at that point I was so fed up I ended up switching to Linux
Well, it’s intended for companies, so for them there’s InTune policies or is GPOs. For us plebs, we just have to not press the button.
GPOs
Group policy can be modified by a laymen by launching
gpedit.mscfrom Super+R or the start menu.Not on Home edition
What are the more “trustworthy” email clients? Thunderbird still good?
New Thunderbird is great.
Is there a mobile app for Thunderbird?
Not per se, but Thunderbird is supposedly collaborating with the K-9 team to make K-9 the mobile version of Thunderbird.
Please let this be so 🙀
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the recent revamp of thunderbird is really good.
em client (commercial product, but free for some–2 mail accounts, home use only) is also a solid choice.
Personally disliked emclient and went back to outlook.
Maybe I’ll consider Thunderbird in the future now that it looks modern.
Already using Firefox.Why did you dislike eM Client?
I’ve been looking at it recently because I’m currently using Mailbird. In recent weeks they told us that support for their current client will stop in 12 months time and we need to get on their latest client, which they want a one off payment AND an annual subscription. What greedy ducks.
Thunderbird ftw
not just login credentials, but all your mail, too, even if you aren’t using a microsoft-hosted mail account.
I wish I was a good enough dev to write a swift keys replacement. There’s AnySoftKeyboard available, and they’re doing an amazing job with swipe input which I prefer, but there’s only so much one person can do.
FlorisBoard
Gesture typing is still in early development. The suggestions bar doesn’t work yet so it’s really hard to use. Nevertheless, looks promising, and it looks like development is starting back up. I’ll keep an eye on it.
I have yet to find an open-source keyboard with gesture typing that is anywhere near as usable as Gboard, unfortunately.
A compromise is this OpenBoard fork by Helium314 which is able to use Google’s proprietary gesture typing library, which can be downloaded and loaded manually if you want to enable it. It’s still a privacy improvement over using Gboard.
I mean, duh!!
It’s a web version wrapped in some god-awful semi-native wrapper. Everything the app does is stored on the server. So, yes, like gmail, if you give it access to another IMAP account, the password is stored on the server BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS.
This isn’t a scandal. It shouldn’t be news.
The bigger discussion why are we pretending a server driven mail client is local?
I don’t get why people still use Microsoft services. How many data privacy scandals do we need, so they understand? Or do they still not care?
Yet another reason to use Thunderbird or Evolution. There must finally be mobile devices with Linux that are usable.
Both of those are usable but that’s about it. I use Evolution because it integrates with online accounts service well and I don’t have to mine for contacts, but overall it’s a sorry state of email clients in Linux world. Geary had nice ideas for a while, but it’s also dreadfully optimized and development has kind of stopped.
It’s also not such an easy to problem to solve either. Whole Gnome ecosystem got a lot better with new and modern applications with sleek designs, but email clients remain a pain in the ass.
It’s just outrageous that we’re in 202-almost-4 and mail is still in use the way it is.
Seriously, the fix has been available for almost 30 years, no one has been able - or willing - to popularize it. Hmmm.
What’s the issue with mail?
I’m seeing many people recommend Thunderbird. Let me enlightnen you.
I personally never trust any software that is not secure and private by default. Mozilla Corp is a for-profit corporation that makes nearly a Billion dollars in cooperation with Google monetizing data about your life. Thunderbird is Mozilla and if you setup with the Wizard, it already got the basics about your email life even if you disable it later.
Thunderbird Not Private by Default
- Sends all interactions with it to Mozilla
- Whether calendar is in use
- How many filters you have
- How many email accounts you have
- Computer/Device Information including hardware configuration
- Operating system
- IP address is logged
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/thunderbird-telemetry
Disabling Telemetry
- Click the menu button Menu Button and select Settings.
- Select the Privacy & Security panel.
- Scroll to the Thunderbird Data Collection and Use section.
- Deselect the Allow Thunderbird to send technical and interaction data to Mozilla checkbox.
Thunderbird Bad Security Practice of using a Primary Password
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/protect-your-thunderbird-passwords-primary-password
17 Criticial or High Vulnerabilies this year alone
Conclusion
If email security and privacy means a lot to you, or even computer security and privacy, your best options are to use BSD/UNIX/Void/Alpine and Claws-Mail. That is just the way the cookie crumbles in 2023.
Can someone respond to this who is able to reasonably challenge this view(s)?
It’s true that Mozilla does collect telemetry and that Mozilla Corp is for profit, however Mozilla Corp is owned by Mozilla Foundation. That ownership structure is either a way to get around limitations on non profits, or its an opportunity for the Foundation to directly influence the Corp to be better.
However, I’ll still use Firefox/Thunderbird because: Usage stats such as number of accounts or filters is in no way comparable to my username and password. One is basic metadata and stats, the other is a massive risk. You can opt out of the telemetry, the only way to opt out of sharing your password is to not use the new Outlook.
I take a more pragmatic approach to privacy based on my trust. I understand the value of telemetry, but change it depending on the company. Big Tech I have less trust in, Mozilla, while they have issues, are on average far better for privacy vs big tech.
As a developer, I understand the value of telemetry and the risks that come with collecting any data. I pick Firefox because it challenges the homogeney of Google’s influence and it looks like I’m going to pick Thunderbird because I’ haven’t seen a better option.
Honestly I’m glad they highlighted the telemetry. I went through the local report about what’s included and while it’s not an upsetting level of detail, it’s more comprehensive than I would have opted in to if asked.
Still, as sibling points out it’s in a completely different league from slurping up your IMAP creds, something which has always been local-only data. This is the second time I know of recently where MS has trampled on this kind of local-only expectation - the other was Edge defaulting to sending the contents of textboxes you’re filling out on webpages to the MS cloud for spelling and grammar checks. Thunderbird is still a sound recommendation, and unlike Microsoft, I trust that if I uncheck the telemetry box they’re not going to try to get me some other way.
- Sends all interactions with it to Mozilla
