Genuinely boggled that anyone would think this is not the same geopolitical players behind Brexit and trump. It’s exactly the same. If there was a big red bus with ‘Alberta will be more free in the US’ it couldn’t be more the same.
- it’s not going to happen; it’s never going to happen
- it’s not about seceding or annexation - it’s about politically dividing Albertans specifically, and Canada more generally.
- Again, this is the same psyop playbook, top to bottom - there is nothing behind it except oligarch money and bot farms.
I hope you are right, and generally speaking I believe the same way you do on the matter. Sure they had lineups 2000 people long in every community, but that’s it. Everyone that was going to sign their stupid petitions signed them the first 3 days.
But if you are like me and live here, the sentiment is very much “fuck Ottawa” more than “fuck Canada.” It’s sad how easily affected a population can be when it comes to propaganda like this. It’s sad really. And we thought thought as a society, making sure everyone can read and write a lawful requirement was a good thing.
And we thought thought as a society, making sure everyone can read and write a lawful requirement was a good thing.
It’s not wrong there’s just an evil financial incentive to keep literacy at a certain level.
Why do you hate ottawa?
I’m definitely a little late getting back to this party, but I never said that “I” hate Ottawa. I said that is the general sentiment in Alberta. “Ottawa” being the default slang to describe the Federal Government, as a commenter replied to you stating. Hopefully that clears some things up.
For some reason, the average Albertan has been brainwashed enough by decades of anti-Fed propaganda that nearly half the population here believes the federal government actively works against Alberta. That Alberta because of its vast resources gets snubbed non-stop and it’s the rest of Canada’s fault. They believe the province just writes cheques out to Quebec, and the rest of the country is stealing our money.
It’s shorthand for “the federal government”.
Though from my POV, opposition to the Albertan oil industry is popular rather than just driven by the federal government. If anything, it seemed like Trudeau wanted to work more with Alberta but faced loud complaints (including court challenges) from the rest of Canada.
Like I’d much rather see a long term strategy that ends up leaving most of that oil in the sands than any further investment in extracting it. I also interpret “don’t worry, it’ll be perfectly safe” as “we’ll extraxct as much value from this until it fails and if the consequences are severe enough, make sure retirement funds have invested in us so that we have hostages”.
And herein lies is the real reason AI is being so heavily funded.
The Trump administration has also been holding meetings with the leaders behind the Alberta separatist movement ( source). At this point I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that the US is performing a targeted destabilization campaign against Canada.
Hey, just tossing this out there, but rather than have you guys join America, can we join Canada? Just the nice folks, I promise, we don’t want the MAGAs either.
Once again, Putin and his gnomes spreading discord, anything to break the West.
Why would Putin be behind this when Trump has openly talked about annexing Canada and has just recently met with Alberta separatists??
I swear, Westerners will use any excuse to blame China/Russia. There could be an American pedophile procuring children for American politicians and they would still blame Russia. Oh wait… they actually fucking did. Wake up and smell the shit from your own political class.
The West breaks itself by being imperialist warmongers. Some slop Youtube videos ain’t gonna do shit.
Don’t be dense, all major powers engage in this tom foolery.
https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/news/us-indicts-russian-promoting/
I have no problem with the statement that the US breaks itself and I hope you are right, but my cynical part tells me it isn’t even about nations anymore.
From what we know right now, Russia being behind this is just conspiracy theory. A bad conspiracy theory because it doesn’t make any sense:
Let’s say you want to make your geopolitical rival weaker. It makes sense to promote California separatism because they would lose a state that massively contributes to its economy (this is assuming that the news is accurate and not just US propaganda). It doesn’t make any sense to promote Alberta separatism and give your enemy an extra free state, because that makes it stronger.
This is exactly what the US does when funding Radio Free Asia: it promotes separatist movements in China.
So you realise that if the US does go to war with Canada, that would mean that NATO would go to war with the United States, Which means that they’ll probably lose all their bases in Europe.
It’s more likely mealy mouthed Europeans would declare the end of NATO, let Canada fend more or less for itself, and donate thoughts and prayers in abundance. Too bad Canada isn’t part of the EU! With its defense article it will rise from B team to prime time.
Yes, the US would lose a lot if its bases in Europe, though probably (and sadly) not all. But this sort of obvious strategic rake to step on hasn’t halted the epic blunder in Iran. Why should it stop stable genius here?
Nah, it’s quite likely in the current climate that the EU would join in the defence of Canada.
If the USA actually starts an intra-NATO war and doesn’t just talk nonsense, everyone in the EU knows we are next. So better do a nice clean proxy war on another continent than to let it spill over to the EU once Canada is down.
Let’s hope we don’t have to find out;)
Have you seen Merz? Germany would instantly fall to the US side if that happens.
Merz is a moron, but if the other bigger states in the EU and the UK align, Merz will follow too.
Remember that Canada is a part of the Commonwealth of Nations
Don’t know how much that would weigh, but still
Since the UK brexited out of the Union, this link may be more tenuous to the continent.
That’s a misconception. NATO articles don’t apply when a NATO member attacks a NATO member.
If Europe does the right thing, they would support Canada, and if they’re remotely intelligent they would kick the US bases out of Europe. But neither of those things would be because of NATO.
I love how in only one of the thumbnails Alaska is part of the US.
This is classic information warfare. Its been pretty well documented over the past 10 years. It feels like we all know it exists but still fall for it all the same.
Do you want Cascadia?
Because this is how you get Cascadia.
Literally 0 chance that BC would join a MAGA controlled USA.
… Non-zero chance that it would join WA OR and CA, should an actual dual civil war kick off.
Non-zero? How about 100%? Every single person I’ve ever spoken with about this idea in my life has been on board. I bet 85-90% of the public would support it if the facts could be communicated to them without interference (so, never)
Cascadia would be insanely powerful and competitive on the world stage, probably a superpower.
The immediate problem would be that Idaho, eastern OR and eastern WA are very very seriously trying to do the whole Greater Idaho thing, and are basically chalk full of armed white supremacist theocrat bigots.
So… yeah.
I guess the ‘good’ news is that western WA has JBLM and a lot of Navy bases, and maybe enough of them would align with Cascadia … ?
The bad news is the Holy State of Greater Idaho would probably be able to dash and seize Hanford, and then be able to make dirty nuclear bombs.
But anyway…
Throw in Hawaii and then Cascadia and Japan and SK can form a trading bloc, and theoretically be able to back that up with maybe a little bit of the formerly US Navy?
Total spitballing here.
Alaska sure would be completely fucked.
Airline fuel is pretty expensive these days… for some reason… Didn’t BC/Yukon already basically say ‘fuck you’ to US truckers going between Alaksa and the 48, or I am not remembering that right?
I think there was some kind of levy they had to pay, but definitely not a complete ban. I don’t think it stuck.
Canada should absolutely annex and de-nazify the USA, I’m glad someone is pushing that agenda
American here! Yes please! Start with Cleveland! I live in Cleveland, and I live right on the lake. I’m like a jetski ride away from Canada! We’re practically family!
Plus…and this is the important part…GET ME OUT OF THIS HELLHOLE OF A COUNTRY!!!
I’m kinda surprised nobody has done the opposite of what’s on the OP.
I figure there would be quite a few USAians who wouldn’t mind to secede to Canada.
My sense, as a Canadian, is that Canadians generally don’t like this idea. We wish the best for you guys down there and hope you manage to figure things out, but we don’t really want to get involved
Fair. We Europeans also don’t want US refugees who call themselves “ex-pats”.
Canadians aren’t going to have a choice but to assert themselves and defend their sovereignty from the empire. Yes, there are Americans who want to be Canadian, but what you’ll need to bank on is Americans who want to take back their country from the pedo predator class. Americans like that are not going to win, but they might weaken the empire’s ambitions enough that Canada remains free.
Who coordinates it? I mean, isn’t this the political influencing the right wing fears so much?
But the Left doesn’t want it to happen, so you can see how their hands are tied.
This world is going mad.
Canadians are generally far too educated for this to become more than a nuisance. It’s still concerning, but it’s great to see how it brings out the morons :)
A bunch of YouTube channels that no one watches anyway. Nothing burger.
YOU don’t watch it. But I’ve watched in real time while videos like this appear on relative’s feeds while they doomscroll as they uncritically absorb everything that appears. Sometimes watching the same video two or five times because the damn app loops. And when I point out “you know that’s bullshit right?” The response is always some variation of: “I wasn’t paying attention to what it said I was just watching.” But they are absorbing it because days or weeks later they will parrot that same BS at me in a conversation.
Okay, fair enough. But do you think something like this would convince someone not already committed to secession? I can see how it would be appealing to support a narrative someone already has, but do you think it actually convinces people to change their mind on the issue?
On its own in a vacuum, no. But that’s why propaganda is seeded across multiple sources over extended periods in places people are half checked out in mentally. It’s the same reason advertising works. That one advert won’t get you, but if you hear a jingle, see a commercial, a billboard, an ad, an endorsement, a logo at your favorite team’s sports park… Ever wonder why your favorite softdrink is your favorite softdrink?
These propagandistic channels only need to plant the seeds of an idea, regularly feed it, wait until people are convinced the idea is their own, then wait for a counter pushback. That’s when the propaganda really takes root. Just like with Q or flat earthers, they will dig in to defend themselves from anyone challenging them. Logic need not apply. Push back only makes their conviction stronger.
I agree with all that. I haven’t been paying too much attention. Has separatist feeling been increasing? My feeling (based on nothing) was that it was static around 20%.
Speratism has been increasing everywhere on the right and the left. Rather that’s an intentional divide and control strategy or people organically getting sick of the systems around them - whose to say. I used to say nothing will come of it but then I watched the UK take themselves right out of the EU and found out Cambridge Analytica had a heavy hand in it.
Also 20% is a big number. That’s one in five people. Every fifth person. That’s a LOT. You only need 3.5% of the population to make a nonviolent policy change, 10% for a revolution against Great Britain. Even if that number stays at 20% my worry is some entity will organize that angry mass towards a goal.
I agree, 20% is a lot. That’s why the issues raised by the separatist side need to be addressed, and not just dismissed. Justin Trudeau wouldn’t give Alberta the time of day. Hopefully, Carney will be better.
