• masterspace@lemmy.ca
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      This is too dismissive.

      Industrialization and automation has already eliminated an entire class of work that was otherwise there.

      In a hunter gathered society or an early industrial society there was always work for everyone, in modern capitalist society, there quite frankly isn’t, and that leads to huge numbers of people just being cast aside.

      And AI may wipe out a huge number of the rest. I genuinely can’t possibly fathom how it will do anything but exacerbate every single one of society’s problems.

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        There is a question of timeline. Maybe in 10+ years, but not 2.

        The early wave of layoffs in the sector “due to AI” were at the same time as the interest rate went up, pushing all tech companies to start focusing on profit. A lot of unprofitable divisions were cut because it stopped making financial sense to invest in products that didn’t have day 1 revenue.

        You’re now seeing companies doing layoffs and claiming AI to either hide that development in their companies have stalled or they are taking advantage of their new shiny remote work platforms to push wages down by shifting workers to places with lower cost of living.

        AI labor isn’t worth its tokens, even when they are heavily discounted to gain market share. It might be in a decade, but not now.

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        I keep seeing these comments where AI is hailed as the next industrial revolution, but I think they all miss the point.

        Industrialization created jobs. There were fewer skilled jobs lost than new skilled jobs created. It then created the need for more knowledge based jobs, like civil engineers.

        The AI lobby is doing the opposite. It targets higher paid skilled jobs. If they were to succeed, they would give birth to the opposite of the Industrial Revolution.

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        The industrial revolution created loads of new jobs in manufacturing, logistics, distribution, procurement and transport.

        The digital revolution created loads of IT, cybersecurity and programming jobs.

        AI removes most if not all the human labour from the equation if it functions properly. What new jobs has the AI revolution created or will create? Because last I checked, “prompt engineer” is not a job title. I can’t even find any fucking jobs for it anywhere from a LinkedIn search.

        (sigh)

        I’d prefer tech-bros pushing crypto, Web3 and NFTs to something that can actually cause mass unemployment and societal collapse.

        And AI may wipe out a huge number of the rest. I genuinely can’t possibly fathom how it will do anything but exacerbate every single one of society’s problems.

        I can see things going one of two ways:

        1. Society gets its shit together, uses AI, robotics and sweeping economic reforms to build new infrastructure and create an abundance of resources. Housing shortages, hunger, thirst and famine become a thing of the past, we move towards a post-scarcity utopia.

        2. The far more likely scenario. Mass unemployment leads to civil unrest, quelled through violence.

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    Correction: 99% of CEOs are planning to use AI as an excuse to layoff employees to juice quarterly profits. They have zero accountability and golden parachutes, so no skin off of their asses.

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    You know, a year ago people in charge were all, like nooo we’re not going to fire people and pocket the payroll savings

    When did we cross the line where everybody stopped lying? I mean, our vaunted business leaders dropping the bullshit is welcome, even if its bad news… but the interesting bit is in the collective, unconscious decision to just own up to this as the likeliest future.

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      The Trump admin has emboldened the entire upper echelons of society to drop pretense because enough of society is stupid enough to always buy it even if its painfully obvious that they are lying. They feel untouchable with their buddies in charge.

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        Exactly - the more easilly the “riff-raff” is to swindle or the less capable they are to push back, the more intensely and shamelessly the “upper” classes take advantage of the rest.

        You don’t just see it in the historical trends (such as ever more reduced levels of broad representativeness of elected politicians in for example the US or Britain), you also see it across nations: for example after the 2008 Crash, the wealthy in France (with its tradition of public rebellion) were actually saying they should be taxed MORE, whilst the wealthy in England (whose closest to “public” rebellion ever was the Barons rebelling against the King leading to the Magna Carta) were openly lobbying the Government to be taxed LESS (and got what they asked for, with Britain endind up in Austerity, with the anger caused by it being successfully redirected against Immigrants and The EU, hence Brexit, so the wealthy were totally right in not fearing the “riff-raff”).

        PS: that spirit of not provoking the streets of wealthy French did not survive the Macron years, especially once he won against the “Gilet Jaunes” (Yellow Vests).

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    I expect 99% of CEOs to get laid off. They are too lazy, expensive and don’t want to work. They have a ridiculous sense of entitlement. Ripe for automation.

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      When you say CEOs are you thinking of guys who are making millions with staff living on almost nothing?

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    Replace C-suite executives with AI before the layoffs, then transition to a Co-Op. ✊🏼

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      well, not in the sense of “layoffs because AI can do those jobs”, but still AI-driven in the sense of “AI did most of the actual grunt work of laying off those people”.

      If there is a repetitive and predictable activity that can be automated at this point it’s layoffs. Announcements and internal talking points are already clearly LLM-generated.

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    5% of those layoffs will actually be AI related. The other 95% will be profits related.

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    This type of reporting is frustrating and I really should get off the internet.

    These surveys are done by consultanting companies that have large investment holdings. For example in this report one of the surveys is from Mercer, who has an investment wing that has a AUM (asset under management) 1 of $727 Bn according to their website 2. Would there potentially be any sort of chance someone like Mercer never put out a survey that goes against the bullish market driven by AI speculation? Obviously journalists won’t think about these things anymore because that will effect their click rate.

    1. https://www.investopedia.com/terms/a/aum.asp
    2. https://www.mercer.com/solutions/investments/
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    I find it weird how so many companies are targeting for layoffs instead of expanding the company. You get an accelerator…

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      Most corporations are near-term driven, not long term. It’s why many don’t innovate anything anymore. Quarterly profits matter more than anything

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      Companies are competing for the same market share.

      As an example, what are you going to do with four times more accountants than the total market needs? There are only a limited number of companies to do the accounts for. If one accountant can do four times the work as before, he might be able to expand. If every accountant can do four times the work as before, they cannot all expand. On a company level, why would you keep all the staff doing only 25% of the work as before? Their labour has been significantly reduced in value.

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      have you seen what thier current mission, agenda is, almost every tech conference near me is AI specific. theres almost no other form of tech at these conference but some form AI bs they are pushing.(i work near a conference center)

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    Well good news then, 99% of the population is going to force these 1% CEOs to be …laid off…

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    13 days ago

    Anyone know of any publicly traded guillotine producers? I’d like to invest early.

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    When CEOs layouts? We can have 200 workers for their pay which will be “prompt engineers”.

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    That’s okay. I will choose not to participate in your new economy beyond buying essentials like food.