Is it really most popular?
It’s not more stable than plasma surely, at least when user does any customization.
Simplicity is questionable, unless simple means ‘unlearn everything and do it our way’.
yea, gnome is “more popular”. doesn’t mean it’s “better”, just that it’s the default environment for some of the most widely-used distributions.
yea, gnome is “more popular”. doesn’t mean it’s “better”, just that it’s the default environment for some of the most widely-used distributions.
But not SteamOS which has the numbers on its side. Not that Gnome is unpopular but Steam Deck single-handedly pulled in millions of users who at least occasionally switch from game mode to desktop mode (=Plasma) to install emulators and stuff.
I’m not sure there are more Steam OS installs than RHEL/SUSE/Ubuntu installs.
I’m not sure there are more Steam OS installs than RHEL/SUSE/Ubuntu installs.
Of course not, if you phrase it like that. According to your phrasing non-desktop container setups also count but they don’t.
Distributions like Ubuntu also ship Plasma. The preconfigured disk image is called Kubuntu but that’s still Ubuntu and counts as that in Steam’s surveys which I consider the most reliable source of what actual GUI Linux users actually use.
Couple things there are many computer users that don’t play games like for example me.
Enterprise Linux is not the same as a container and Gnome is flagship for all three of those enterprise flavors.
Couple things there are many computer users that don’t play games like for example me.
And in which credible statistic are those?
Enterprise Linux is not the same as a container
Of course not but you didn’t specifically say desktop-only Ubuntu/… installs and Ubuntu is still very popular in containers that never see any desktop. Ubuntu also ships Plasma, flagship DE or not.
Gnome is more stable in my experience. The base Gnome without any extensions is rock solid and just works without a hitch. Problem is that it’s bland as hell and not very practical. Most of the popular extensions to make the DE are also pretty solid and reliable, as gnome’s extension API doesn’t really allow them to break anything in any spectacular way. Plasma allows better and more powerful extensions, but they also tend to have a bigger effect on the DE’s stability.
That said, I fucking hate how Gnome devs handle the extension API. Every update to Gnome disables all the extensions even if there’s no breaking changes that would cause them to stop working. You gotta either manually edit their manifest files to trick Gnome into thinking they’ve been updated to the latest DE version, or you gotta wait for the devs to update. Every now and then they do release a breaking change that does break things too, and things get annoying. I used to maintain a relatively popular-ish, very simple Gnome extension. But eventually I got sick and abandoned because nobody’s got time to deal with Gnome’s extension API. I had to rewrite some basic shit for no good reason one too many times.
Ignore all the words. Gnome users live in an alternate reality.
Forget opinions, just look at the most popular distros, which one do they ship with by default?
I prefer Gnome’s UX/UI, but I use KDE because they are faster to implement gaming related stuff.
I’m not sure which are the most popular distros. Mint, Fedora, some arch derivative of the day?
Ubuntu and Debian.
Agreed on debian general popularity but how many people install it on desktop/laptop? Ubuntu is hard to believe tbh, maybe ten years ago.
Really? I can’t find a source that suggests anything other than Ubuntu.
and do it our way
Or don’t do it at all because gnome can’t do that.
Did the Gnome people ever figure out how to put icons on the desktop yet?
There’s an extension that lets you do that. Once a week it breaks and makes icons appear over other windows.
Icons on the desktop is a non-feature for most gnome users. Even my Windows desktop has been empty since XP released. If you really want desktop icons then using an extension for that should be fine, but it’s silly to frame this as a failing of the “Gnome people” just because Gnome doesn’t replicate the classic Windows desktop experience.
Icons on the desktop is a non-feature for most gnome users
Yeah because everyone who uses them is on KDE now.
Probably, yeah? I mean I’d hope they’re not still using Gnome if desktop icons are their one wish in life…
I have icons on my desktop, icons in my taskbar, and of course the menu. taskbar, always there, one click, boom! second tier apps, desktop, less used stuff, open menu.
I use KDE BTW
Whatever floats your boat. I’m using my keyboard probably 90% of the time and hitting super and typing in one to three letters followed by enter is the fastest way for me to navigate to pretty much anything including system settings and documents. Finding stuff on a desktop with more than a dozen icons is annoying to me. I move windows and switch focus with the standard keyboard shortcuts etc. It’s a familiar workflow for tiling WM users and works that way out of the box, yet Gnome has been catching shit for it since v3. It used to be the disgruntled Gnome 2 userbase but nowadays it seems to be mostly people who don’t use Gnome at all lol.
Jesus it was pissing me off since 2017. I left Gnome in favor of KDE in 2019 You’re telling me you still can’t make a shortcut like a human being???
What’s a desktop? Is that like a big dmenu or something?
XFCE: including it in the meme is bloat
I really don’t want online accounts integration in my DE though. I must admit that I fail to see what good that could do.
I must admit that I fail to see what good that could do.
In theory the one place where you can enter your Nextcloud or whatever credentials and syncing for calendar, mails, file storage ect. happens automatically everywhere after confirming which services should connect.
It’s not my personal must have feature but when it works, it’s alright.
I belive nextcloud integration is there in KDE, but it don’t have stuff like google account and such integrations(which is a plus for me)
The “Public” folder?
Konklusion was right there.
*Konclusion
Mortal Kombat?
Kant you kome up with something kool
Yeah dont love how kiki the squirel looks like a child in a bikini wtf.
I see someone wants to run for president
No, they said they DON’T like it!
But could we see Konqi in a bikini. That feels more age appropriate.
@LetchLemon @MyVeryRealName who’s konqi ?
The dragon
That’s the
mascotambassador, a boy dragon with a headscarf and “K”hornsantlers, but there’s canonically an entirevillagevalley of them, and they created Kiki.Edit: changed terms to reflect official lore
So much more appropriate if they wore bikinis. Opposed to creating a human squirrel hybrid in their lab and slapping it in a 2 piece.
I don’t think it’s a good idea for a cyborg to go anywhere near water
I like Gnome. I like KDE, too. I actually think they’re both great, in their own ways, but I personally prefer Gnome.
I use KDE on desktop and Gnome with a bunch of extensions on laptop because it has good touchscreen support
I’ve only used KDE until recently because it’s pretty familiar feeling after coming from windows, but my wife recently put gnome on her laptop and she loves it. I’ve used it a bit, and besides just being unfamiliar I do actually like it.
Are we sure that Gnome is the most popular? I would’ve expected KDE to be the most popular one, even not considering the mascots.
Gnome is the most popular DE for Fedora. Though KDE is popular enough to finally get Fedora to place it equally alongside their Gnome ISO. But I would bet Gnome has at least a slim lead ahead of all DEs.
TBF it’s likely the most popular because it’s the default not necessarily because it is better than KDE (or worse, they’re both good just aimed at different people)
Today, which one you might choose has more to do with how you vibe with either one. So there is no “wrong” choice. But back in the early days, Gnome was the better DE. More polished and definitely more stable. I can remember the crashes and the total crash and burn of KDE from those days. That gave Gnome the leg up to becoming default for many distros.
These days. KDE Plasma is every bit as good as Gnome.
No way to get reliable numbers without telemetry but KDE’s userbase is a lot louder for sure.
All three major enterprise distros use GNOME, none of them officially support KDE.
I think so too. GNOME famously doesn’t prioritise customisation, which despite lots of angry complaints, still doesn’t intend to change. That’s because they already have a solid user base, a silent group that couldn’t care less about customisation and gaming features, and mostly want it to “just work”.
Think the Linux Torvalds type of person, using a workstation distro. Best thing GNOME can do is to minimize changes that break user’s workflows and make sure the defaults are good.
The side effect is that they turn off their corporate machines after work and that’s it for the day. They aren’t going on forums to defend GNOME vs KDE arguments.
The steam deck might make KDE the most popular
It’s the most popular because it’s Ubuntu’s default which happens to still be the “default linux distro”. Many GNOME users probably don’t even know what GNOME or a DE in general is (and that’s ok).
If you ask linux nerds, however, KDE generally seems more popular but that’s probably because people who care about this sort of thing tend to value customization and KDE’s philosophy more than GNOME’s.
Source: I use KDE on Arch BTW, guess which category I fall on.
KDE got around to updating the theme Kpersonalizer.
Original for those who don’t remember what it was like:
Jokes aside: I love KDE. Gnome is an idea that would work if you could actually do anything with it (maybe always adding extensions means they should you know make it functional).
Yep the design philosophy of “like it or fuck you” evokes Apple clearly enough. They’ve just cut it to the quick at this point.
ironic how the gooner one isnt the one with the foot
Heh. My Linux started with Ubuntu like many others. I appreciated GNOME.
Then I got confident enough to distro hop and with that cam DE hop. Can’t deny KCD is just so much better for the kind of user I am.
It’s just kinda nice having your computer do what you want it to do, ya know?
Mhm yeah Kingdom Come Deliverance sure is a nice game series.
lol. Yeeeeah. But I’m gonna leave that one. For Skalitz.
WTF is KCD?
KDE*
But if you’d like to learn more about our illegitimate Lord and Saviour, Henry, I’d be glad to talk. May I come in?
KDE Compulsion Disorder
This must be about Gnome 2.8 when Gnome indeed was by far the most popular desktop environment on Linux.
And then Gnome 2.8 was deprecated and no longer maintained, and for years after Gnome Shell was complete and utter shit.
IMO it still is, because they have changed fundamentals like how virtual desktops work, that disrupt my workflow.I agree Gnome is more elegant, but that’s irrelevant when key fundamentals simply don’t work anymore.
So to get the desktop I like to actually use, I use KDE instead.
Edit: Final release was 2.32 as u/esc correctly writes below.
Last version of gnome 2 was 2.32, I think, not 2.8.
You are right, I just remember it as using 2.8 for an extended period of time. But looking it up, 2.8 was a milestone from 2004, and 2.32 was the final release.
I switched to Linux as my main OS in 2005. So I probably started on 2.8.
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“most popular”
“stable”
LOL
