It’s really funny that the bold stance in tech now is essentially, “hey, we won’t fuck with our product.”
Vivaldi putting up a W by pledging to simply not do anything. It’s that easy.
I too pledge not to put AI in your life!
I mean, I’m not a programmer, and I have no products, but…I needed a win in my life, and if I get a W by pledging not to do things I wasn’t going to do anyways? I’ll take it!
I also pledge not to eat unhealthy today.
…I might break that one actually. We’ll see.
Just like that, you get a W!
I too pledge not to put AI in your life!
Sold. I’m switching to you.
I’d like to agree but they are proprietary and still based on Chromium.
I might give them the benefit of the doubt and try them again ('t has been years since)
On PC I’ve used them pretty much since the start and I have very little to complain about.
On mobile (iOS) I tried a few times but it’s unbearably slow.
The issue with iOS is all browsers have to use Safari backend so it’s not the same as on other devices.
yeah I use vivaldi on mobile and it’s so painfully slow and horrible. I’d switch but I hate using my phone anyways so I don’t really care.
Vivaldi’s UI Autohide is legitimately great; I use it all the time in my browsing flow.
Does anybody have any recommendations for a non chrome based browser that has the compatibility to play things like MKV files? That’s essentially the only thing I keep my Thorium install around for. I use an app that I push an MKV to and then add subtitles in order to study Japanese.
I’m so gonna try vivaldi when I finally have some issue with librewolf or if
ardi60, interesting to see Vivaldi’s pledge against AI in the browser. As developers, we’re often looking for efficiency gains, and AI tools (like code completion or even intelligent debugging) are becoming pretty standard. Do you think this ‘no AI’ stance might hinder their ability to attract developers or power users who value those kinds of integrated features? I’m curious about the long-term vision there and if it’s more about data privacy than outright feature avoidance. We’ve been looking at how to balance user privacy with helpful AI enhancements in our own developer tools — found some good insights here on the trade-offs.
I think that it is a potential benefit not to attract those types of developers. A growing body of evidence is showing that users of LLM tools suffer cognitively.
As a programmer, jobs that say no Gen AI mean we value quality and people having real skills and learning instead of shipping low quality code to production as fast as possible to make the business metrics look good.
While this might seem like a win, I am not sure if I want an AI free browser. This might be an unpopular take, but there are a lot of applications where AI is actually useful. And I’m unsure if hand waving it entirely away is an actually good thing. And if they ever include some minor AI thing, people will call this lbacktracking. Maybe not a good idea?
The thing about coming up with a new invention that’s useful is, you don’t have to keep convincing everyone that it’s useful. There are things that it’s good for and they are already being used for that. What we are seeing now is an attempt to force it into every nook and cranny to justify the massive wealth bubble that they have created out of it to prop up the economy so they don’t lose money. Eventually they will have all their money in the right place and they will let the economy crash and let the common man take 100% of the blow.
I agree. I don’t think we have to push people into using some truly revolutionary tech. Then it would not be revolutionary.
The thing that frustrates me most about AI is that the companies that use AI in their software have ZERO creativity. A lot of applications and operating systems could have had AI in a lot of very narrow usecases. Everything from suggesting which command you should complete in the terminal, to where you should put your file for good organization.
I do know that AI is becoming synonymous with LLMs, and ML would be better for many usecases. The difference is that using LLMs is super easy for it, even if not as good.
Instead, we have this ridiculous thing in which we’re supposed to remove the human part. That goes for art, music, and writing text. I think it’s quite disrespectful to send messages to family, friends and colleagues that are written by AI, with few exceptions.
Vivaldi, Zen and Librewolf are a trio of technophobic browsers, nithing new.
