fuck offffff
Reason n+1 for me being thankful for switching to GrapheneOS.
How’s the app support? I want to switch if/when the Motorola phones come out, but I’m wondering how many of my apps/services I’ll have to abandon.
Almost everything just works after installing sandboxed Google Play Services. For a few apps you have to tweak a setting to turn off some of GrapheneOS’s exploit protections. But I’ve found very few that refuse to run, and nothing indispensable. If you don’t like your main profile having Play Services you can set them up under a second profile or a private area and keep the apps that use them away from your main profile.
The other thing that might be a dealbreaker for you is no contactless payments with things like google wallet will work. But you could always just attach your credit card to the back of your phone and :tada: it works again lol
Ive only got one gripe with it and its the requirement for RCS. I do prefer to use signal but genuinely only one person I know has gotten on to it. I hate using google messages but for folks that send me bulk pictures from iOS its just a hassle until there’s a Foss one that works but there isnt to my knowledge. I do know RCS only works on the main profile goo
There was no work profile support when I last tried to convert. deal breaker, atm.
Just grab an app like Shelter.
0% of the apps/methods available at the time worked with my employers setup. I did everything except the adb method. ended up getting a crap phone for work. it just sits on my desk anyway.
Some bank apps may not work, but you can check by searching for you bank name + GrapheneOS
I found this list helpful: https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compatibility-with-grapheneos/
I also found that one of the ones I use would only work in the Owner profile with Gplay services so the secondary profile wasn’t an option for it.
I’ve had zero apps not work, including my banking apps.
Amazing for me tbh. I only had to give up contactless payment since my bank switched to google wallet and I have 0 google apps on my phone. Obtanium and Aurora store are life savers.
I am yet to find any app that doesn’t work.
Doesn’t help if someone you’re talking to has it on. And unlike Zuck’s stupid glasses you won’t even be able to know unless you ask every single person you talk to first. This sucks.
You still gave your money to Google for the phone…
No, I gave it to the person who resold the phone at a lower cost than what I would’ve paid to get it from Don’t Be Evil Inc.
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Welcome to your “I only buy vintage tech” era.
Mine started when 3.5 mm audio jacks started disappearing. We all draw a line.
I agree but we all carry spy devices with us, it’s too late.
Fucking yikes
Constant surveillance 😡
Audio memories 😍
BIG BROTHER IS
WATCHING YOU
HELPING YOU REMEMBER YOUR IMPORTANT CONVERSATIONS
If a song isn’t recognized, a short digital fingerprint may be sent to Google to securely search the cloud. Background conversations and audio are never sent to Google.
And, of course, Google will honor this and any other setting, as always, right? Right?
As soon as they got away with “federated learning” (basically use your phone to train ai then just phone the results home rather than your data) 🤢 they knew they could just keep pushing and pushing and pushing until they have it all
That’s such bs short digital fingerprint is anything compressed and encrypted
Interesting how the majority of the comments refer to you being monitored on your own phone, ignoring that you will be monitored on everyone else’s phone as well.
Probably something people aren’t thinking about. How would this even work in two party consent states/countries?
By
bribinglobbying local politicians. As always, laws are only real when they’re enforced.
Much like how Facebook includes non-users in their social graph.
Illegal in Germany. You may not record conversations, if you try to enter something like that as evidence you’ll get punished as well.
I suspect there are many countries with laws like that, and if your phone actually disables the feature when you enter them or just let’s you hang to dry…
I wonder if there’s a legal loophole here? Specifically this works by transcribing “important conversations” into text, it’s not actually storing .mp3 recordings. Obviously still disgusting and I hate it.
Not a lawyer, but as far as I got it, the storing isn’t the punishable part, the recording is.
You can’t have security cameras filming public spaces (like the road in front of your house). Even if its dummies, as people couldn’t tell the difference whether the camera actually films them or not.
Doubt. The law likely talks about making unauthorized recordings. There is likely nothing in the law that would disallow automatic transcription if no recording is created.
Unless the law is extremely vague such as “it is unlawful for a microphone to pick up conversations” the law likely doesn’t cover this situation.
I am more than happy (and eager) to be proven wrong, but in my experience the law tends to lag behind tech by quite a bit.
I didn’t check the actual law, always a good idea to do so.
So, §201 StGB actually covers both, it is forbidden to “aufnehmen” (record) as well as “mithören” (spy on). Bonus, its forbidden to cite transcription (im Wortlaut mitteilen).
Its an old law, going back to video cameras with magnetic tape and actually tapping a phone line. So it was used quite often, including the mentioned fake surveillance cameras, that didn’t record or even view anything but seemed to the public they did.
When dashcams became a thing people would be sentenced for using them. These days you can use dashcams, but never save for more than 24h or show the recording to anyone but the police/court.
I guess the law is a relict of living next door to Stasi, but its really just a guess of mine.
Illegal in parts of the U.S. as well
Honestly, I thought they already did that.
One of my motivations for becoming more privacy minded, was the amount of times a subject of conversation was delivered through an algorithm later.
It was creepy, talk about hose pipes> receive hosepipe content/ads.
My creepiest experience was shopping at Lowe’s and then getting recommendations on Amazon that night for drill bits and cabinet door handles. The thing is, I had purchased some drill bits at Lowe’s so OK, but I had only stopped and looked at the cabinet door handles.
I’m sure there’s more than a little Baader-Meinhof happening. I did expand my privacy a bit; pihole, searxng, some other stuff and I notice it less now. Or I think I do, humans are notoriously bad at this.
I think so but now it’s being marketed as a feature which is nauseating.
I have such a hard time believing it’s not a phenomenon. I know coincidences happen, but mannn
I’ve been advertised things that my wife has talked to me about that i otherwise have no interest in. I absolutely believe my phone is listening.
Yeah there’s a “now playing” feature that will recognize music being played nearby, which I have found useful many times.
An AI note taker could actually be useful for some applications, like a meeting summary or play-by-play for a d&d session. It’s just all the other stuff about AI that makes it shitty.
Sure. If you actively turn it on, and all involved know it’s on. But this is always active as far as I’m aware.
I’m guessing it’ll be toggle off, and it’ll toggle itself back on every update.
In other words, they’re taking your data for their use all the time, and sometimes they’ll share your data with you.
You can have it off and just use the “song search” on the top menu, but yeah. I assume it just keeps itself activated even if you disable it, they just try to be less blatant about catering to you.
Anecdotally, I’ve only had lime 2 instances of “google was definitely listening to show me this ad” in the 6 years I’ve had pixels, and I’ve seen just as many instances with other phone types. You truly have to go out of your way to avoid the surveillance.
I saw this title and immediately said “fuck off” then clicked, and …glad to see OP sharing my immediate sentiment.
JFC, I don’t need tech tracking every goddamn word and fart.
Dumb phones are about to start trending more and more every day.
And graphene OS, maybe
Until Google decides to lock them out of any sort of verification process.
By then Motorola will have shipped the first round of “with Graphene pre installed” devices, assuming they stay with their plan.
I recently got rid of my smart watch when Samsung enshitified it and locked a bunch of features like weather updates behind an account, years after I bought the watch.
Now I have a dumb mechanical watch (quartz crystal, not spring winding) that will last years before I need to replace the battery. Everything it does, it does better than a smart watch. Not having to do the wrist flick gesture 1-3 times to check the time has been amazing. And I’m not constantly broadcasting Bluetooth anymore.
or Linux phones
Sure a dumb phone won’t record for Google. Current ones don’t and probably can’t be made to.
But recording would be trivial to implement even on a dumb phone if it becomes acceptable to the majority. Hell it could become a legal requirement.
We cannot run away from these issues by using old phones, old vehicles, ‘physical’ media etc. Eventually they will be unavailable. Some, old vehicles, really should be for other reasons.
Or as others have pointed out, you might not be recorded by your phone but you will be by the others’.
We need to persuade more people to actively oppose such measures outright. Defend privacy, control of our devices etc explicitly.
GrapheneOS, asap Pixel owners.
Thank me later.
Before it’s somehow no longer an option. I fear the Motorola deal will somehow get blocked.
Any soviet officials still alive must be going crazy: “wait, they actually pay to be surveilled???”
I’d trust talking revolution with a soviet commissar more than I’d ever trust a modern day company listening in on my everyday everything.
I got banned from Reddit for:
- Saying Peter Thiel should be turned into soup.
- Saying Peter Th-iel should be turned into soup.
- Explaining to someone that I had two warnings about saying Peter Thiel should be turned into soup, which was then deleted and replaced with “user is banned for this post”
They’re scared. You hear me, Peter? I’m coming for you with carrots and onions.
Yes reddit is controlled by the epstein class we all know this
Soylent green is made of Peter Thiel!
I feel like that would be Soylent Putrid Brown or Boyblood Red
Mirepoix du Thiel
This guy cooks
Fucking Reddit.
This would be such a cool thing, too bad it will only be used to scrape our data in order to sell us more ads. There are far too many technologies and concepts that have been ruined already due to bloody greed.
Hey, don’t be so pessimistic.
For sure it will be available for government agencies to subpoena or even outright purchase.
This is the free market. Everything about you is for sale.
I’m sure this current administration and some oligarchs have been, and are, doing everything in their power to know as much about each of us as possible. With AI and some Doge ‘behind the scenes’ work, a bad actor could say “I want to know everyone who shows even a slight bent to the left” so we can target them." Control and manipulation is the point. Everyone reading this is a target. And I’m sure I’ll be bumped up on their ‘people to be concerned about’ list after writing this.
Yeah the down side of Lemmy having an open API is that anyone at all can scrape it to train whatever they want.
I would advise doing as much as you can to not put real info about yourself on here (maybe even some fake info to poison it).
This will be quite illegal in all countries and states that require 2 party consent at minimum.
Incoming Google lawsuits in 3, 2, 1.
