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    • iopq@lemmy.world
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      9 months ago

      What I don’t understand, as someone who doesn’t support Hamas or Netanyahu, is why you would chant that.

      Like, where would Jews go? Is that actually a real solution? Only super old people actually came to Israel from another country, most of the Israelis don’t know any other home

      • Saxoboneless@lemmy.world
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        Well for one, Jews and specifically Israelis don’t have to go anywhere for Palestine and Palestinians to be free?

        Like the slogan just does not at all necessarily imply what you’re imagining (or what the US congress claims) it does. That slogan’s been around longer than Hamas.

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          To be fair, we do say the same thing about “all lives matter.” An objectively true statement that can border on hate speech depending on context

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          We saw how that played out in the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. After it was “freed” by Azerbaijan, 100,000 people were displaced. Sure, they didn’t have to go, but some people don’t like living under a dictatorship.

          Gaza didn’t have an election since 2006

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          Exactly, it’s the whole “black lives matter” vs “all lives matter” thing all over again.

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          Literally 75% of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza choose it as the explicit genocide option on a survey that Includes one state for two people as an option. This is a poll done by a Palestinian university in the west bank, claiming its Israeli propaganda would be pretty stupid. All the US congress did was assert to the public what the meaning is to a super majority of Palestinians in Palestine. The diaspora pushing a different narrative never speaks up when the crowds chant the Arabic version that ends in “Palestine will be Arab” (or “Palestine is Arab”).

          https://www.awrad.org/files/server/polls/polls2023/Public Opinion Poll - Gaza War 2023 - Tables of Results.pdf

      • Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee
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        It’s a thought terminating clishe. It’s easy to avoid complex issues if you can just repeat a quick little chant to get out of critical thinking.

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        They chant that because it means something different depending on who says it. The Palestinians have been chanting this slogan for many years since the PLO times. The call was to unite the people to show unity between the people of gaza to west bank. However, when Hamas took power, the chant turned into something antisemitic. So you will hear both sides now, unite the people and wishes for terror.

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        Jesus christ, Israel is literally a British colony. Getting Jews out of Europe was exactly what the Nazis wanted.

        Zionism isn’t some centuries old thing; it’s based in British colonization tactics. It started in full force only around 70 years ago to serve British military interests in the region.

        The companies made are literally called “Colonization Commission” and ‘the Jewish Colonial Trust’

        Israel, EU, and the US should decolonize the region and return it to Palestine. Where they go is up to those governments to manage, because they started this. But that goes against their profit incentives, which is to keep the middle-east divided through war, keep oil cheap, and prevent them from uniting against the imperial core, no matter how many hundreds of thousands of civilians are killed in the process.

        People are being displaced and forced out of their homes by settlers and military right now. Fuck colonizers.

        The PFLP, the second largest Palestinian liberation group after Fatah, calls for a secular Palestinian state where Jews, Muslims, etc. will live together in peace. Modern Fatah even accepts a two-state solution (and they have every right not to). Only Hamas is mixing up Zionists with Jews, and that’s entirely because of Israel and the Imperial core’s constant oppression, displacement, and now genocide of the natives.

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          When Jews lived there in period of Judah and Israel, was that also European colonization?

          Let’s not forget that Muslims conquered this region, it wasn’t magically peacefully obtained. Was this not colonialism?

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            Oh, so given your opinion, can African Americans or Chinese Americans return to their respective continents, occupy an entire country by displacing its current population, and claim it as their ancestral land? How delusional.

            And since when is “the period of Judah” an accurate historical reference point?

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            Reactionary thinking like this is what lets colonizers and settlers continue to do what they’re doing even in the modern day. A war 1400 years ago does not justify colonizing and slaughtering natives right now. Surely you can see how fucked up that is?

            Theodor Herzl, founder of Zionism, knew this, and did not mince his words. He was simply racist, and saw it as bringing ‘civilization’ to barbarians as did the rest of Europe when they were colonizing and enslaving Africa and Asia:

            “We should there form a portion of a rampart of Europe against Asia, an outpost of civilization as opposed to barbarism. We should as a neutral State remain in contact with all Europe, which would have to guarantee our existence.” Source [II]

            That is exactly what’s happening right now. All for European and US military and economic interests in the region.

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            Before the Zionist movement, Palestine was ruled first by the Ottomans and then the British. Prior to Zionism, the land held Christians (the latest bombardment destroyed the 3rd oldest Christian Church in the world), Muslims, and Jews. In fact the early Palestinian national movement considered Jewish Palestinians to be Palestinian and their demands them full rights in a secular state of Palestine.

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Jews

            Genetics, if that matters, shows that the pre-zionist natives of Palestine are closely related to European (Sepahrdic and Ashkenazi) Jews. Basically some people left centuries ago, but some people stayed.

            Now since 1948 those that left want to kick out those that stayed, or kill them if they don’t leave.

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        It means that Palestinians living in West Bank and Gaza should be free from Israeli oppression and Palestinians living in Israel should be free from apartheid. It doesn’t mean kicking people out.

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          That isn’t what it means. You are trying to RetCon history to align with present day values. Stop it.

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            Literally 75% of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza choose it as the explicit genocide option on a survey that Includes one state for two people as an option. This is a poll done by a Palestinian university in the west bank, claiming its Israeli propaganda would be pretty stupid.

            https://www.awrad.org/files/server/polls/polls2023/Public Opinion Poll - Gaza War 2023 - Tables of Results.pdf

            The gas lighting is intense. The charitable take that people are ignorant just says a lot about their knowledge of the region and the conflict.

            '48 Palestinians in Israel also are full citizens https://www.timesofisrael.com/amid-war-poll-finds-arab-israelis-sense-of-kinship-with-state-at-a-20-year-high/ their situation has vastly improved and labeling it apartheid is ignorance. That label can only apply to Gaza and the West Bank and arguably then even when compared with actual apartheid. There are Arabs in parliament, on the Supreme Court, and in the highest ranks of the IDF. Like fuck, Benny Gantz, one of the three ministers in the war cabinet, was shit talking in Arabic during the ceasefire because Israelis learn Arabic in school too. A significant number of the troops killed in Gaza are Druze, another minority Abrahamic faith that speaks Arabic with a large minority population in Israel. Highest standard of living for their minority in the region. There’s a movement since the war started to enshrine them in Israel’s Basic Law (constitution).

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              There are covenants all through Israel that forbid travel and residency by “full citizens” Palestinians of Israeli citizenship. There are separate schools. Do we not remember “separate is not equal”?

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                Most schools are integrated. There’s no seperate busses or restrictions.

                America has issues with home owners associations too. It also has religious schools. Ever hear about redlining or looking at a ethnicity map of a city like Chicago or Detroit?

                Israeli Arab travel is not restricted inside of Israel. You are probably thinking of the west bank.

                Btw Israeli jews aren’t allowed into parts of the west bank and Jerusalem either.

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                Here’s a very real lived experience for you: anyone can go to the Western Wall in Jerusalem, the 2nd most holy Jewish site with a security check. Anyone can go to the major Christian sites. Only Muslims are officially allowed to go to the Temple Mount, the first most holy Jewish site.

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        Many who chant it don’t even know what river or sea they are talking about without looking it up.

        And they don’t care what happens to the Jews. It’s a racist chant which is basically supporting genocide.

        It’s an idiotic phrase that only morons and racists would repeat. It’s unrealistic and doesn’t solve a damn thing. But of course the herd will repeat the catchy phrase because they have an excuse to be openly racist but still have a way of justifying it.

        There. I said it.

        And no, before these same idiots say otherwise: I am not happy with how Israel or the IDF is handling the current situation or the situation before October. Nor am I a supporter of hamas and their actions in early October; Israel just had their own 9/11, so of course they are going to react miltaryary, of course they fucking are, like every country on the planet would.

        This whole thing is like watching two unlikeable assholes having a boxing match. It’s basically boogie2899 Vs wingsofredemption but with a lot more death and destruction, so it’s not funny.

      • SlikPikker@lemmy.ca
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        Israel can’t and shouldn’t exist in the future.

        An ethnic religious state can never be free.

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          But it will exists, so maybe try to work in thay framework for a solution

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      Free Palestine from the river to the sea. 🇵🇸🇵🇸

      Debunking : “From the river to the sea” is a call to genocide.

      When Palestinians call for freedom from the river to the sea, they are calling for decolonization and the dismantling of this racist colonial entity which dominates their lives, and seek to replace it with a state that would not exist at the expense of the subjugation of others.

      This is hardly a new or radical position, such an entity was suggested by the Arab states as a counter-proposal to the 1947 partition plan. Naturally, this was rejected by the Zionists. That we barely ever hear about the offers that the Yishuv/Israel rejected should be an indicator of the nature of mainstream discussions on Palestine and the silencing of Palestinian voices. The Palestinian Liberation Organization also called for establishing a secular, democratic unitary state for all its citizens. Naturally, none of these proposals included genocide, ethnic cleansing or mass murder.

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        Debunking that Blog is really easy. All you need to do is listen to actual Palestinians in Palestine instead of anonymous blogs.

        Like a survey conducted by Palestine’s Birzeit University’s Arab World for Research & Development (AWRAD)

        Literally 75% of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza choose it as the explicit genocide option on a survey that Includes one state for two people as an option. This is a poll done by a Palestinian university in the west bank after the start of the war, claiming its Israeli propaganda would be pretty stupid. All the US congress did was assert to the public what the meaning is to a super majority of Palestinians in Palestine. The diaspora pushing a different narrative never speaks up when the crowds chant the Arabic version that ends in “Palestine will be Arab” (or “Palestine is Arab”).

        https://www.awrad.org/files/server/polls/polls2023/Public Opinion Poll - Gaza War 2023 - Tables of Results.pdf

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      For all the people still in denial, that is a genocide slogan.

      All you need to do is listen to actual Palestinians in Palestine instead of anonymous blogs.

      Like a survey conducted by Palestine’s Birzeit University’s Arab World for Research & Development (AWRAD)

      Literally 75% of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza choose it as the explicit genocide option on a survey that Includes one state for two people as an option. This is a poll done by a Palestinian university in the west bank after the start of the war, claiming its Israeli propaganda would be pretty stupid. All the US congress did was assert to the public what the meaning is to a super majority of Palestinians in Palestine. The diaspora pushing a different narrative never speaks up when the crowds chant the Arabic version that ends in “Palestine will be Arab” (or “Palestine is Arab”).

      https://www.awrad.org/files/server/polls/polls2023/Public Opinion Poll - Gaza War 2023 - Tables of Results.pdf