White House threatens to veto anti-EV bill just passed by US House::The bill would prevent the EPA from enforcing tougher new pollution standards.
Good. This is just theater for the knuckle-dragging Republican base anyway. The dems who went along with it can eat a bag of dicks.
Anyone notice how many news stories nowadays start with "Republicans block or halt or shut down or remove something… They aren’t doing anything… Just keeping anyone else from doing anything
People are probably getting sick of me saying this by now, but of course Republicans aren’t doing anything, this is their philosophy. Their core beliefs are in conserving traditional hierarchies and norms. God over man, men over women and children, white over black, rich over poor, cis-het over LGBT people and other hierarchies.
Their actions are best understood through the lens of conservative philosophy and the maintenance or restoration of socio-economic hierarchies.
To achieve their goals, they really only need to do a few things legialativly,
- Stop progress and change
- Rollback change
You see 1 all the time, they dont even need to be in power to do it. They just need to get in the way. If they get power, you see 2, and since they’re trying to rollback generational change, not even decades old precedent is safe (see Roe vs. Wade).
The best part is that they got us fighting each other so much. They’ve managed to divide us across whatever line you can think of.
All of this is a distraction. While racism and sexism absolutely exist, they fortunately aren’t the cornerstones of our hierarchies anymore. Thats great, but now we have a caste system, and nobody wants to acknowledge it.
And then Jesus said: "White power sieg heil! " - The Bible according to you
He’s just explaining conservative ideology
Seems clear to me that my explanation covers pretty well the reasons white power groups and orthodox/conservative Christians are right wing. They aren’t the same groups, necessarily, but they both want to conserve their respective hierarchies.
You can’t call them “Christians”. They are just racists with a Bible in their hand.
They are just racists with a Bible in their hand.
I grew up in churches around religious people, you just described 99% of “Christians” in the American South.
Moses recieved the 10 commandments from Mt Sinai, notably among them being “thou shalt not kill” immediately after massacring an entire army and then immediately went to war and wiped out an entire nation in a genocide.
And thats in the Bible.
The only good Christian, by Christians’ own admission, was Christ himself.
I’m not gonna defend the entire Bible here but that story was about Amalek, a specific people not humanity in general. Also they had some voodoo stuff in there about them transforming into animals. It was kinda out there.
The water of the sea drowning the Pharaos army chasing the israelites doesn’t seem like a moral dilemma to me.
The not killing part refers to not just killing anyone or stealing their stuff etc. Actual self defense is fine.
You can focus on the few war stories but I know a bunch of good Christians who have adopted kids, feed the poor and do a lot of charity stuff etc. The actual good stuff.
Considering their whole M.O. is regression or conservation of the status quo, that’s not surprising
That’s all they ever do when Democrats are in control. So annoying
I am tired of Republicans being referred to as a political party instead of what they actually are: a violent terrorist ideology on the level of ISIS, Taliban, Al Qaida, Khmer Rouge, Bolshevik Soviets, etc. They are not a “differing opinion”; they are a terrorist insurgency bent on destroying America and it’s representative democracy. Those who refuse to acknowlege this and who disparage those who advocate defending against them are equally violent and evil.
If you want to be “the party of no” you can’t allow things to happen.
It could be that. It could also be where you’re getting your headlines from.
Are you telling me, that my US rep Tim Fucking Walberg, that useless fuck, actually accomplished something? I’m actually kind of impressed. The bill is straight up dogshit, but he actually submitted something and dogged it through committee and got the full chamber to vote on something.
I call bullshit. Someone else did this, and pawned it off onto Tim. Either because they didn’t want to be responsible for it, or they felt sorry for him. Hell, I feel sorry for him.
He never said that, but it’s still a heck of a good quote.
Yeah, but it’s on a picture and I agree with it, because it’s shitting on Americans, so I’m going to mindlessly parrot it!
As an American I can honestly say “No lies detected”.
like winston fucking churchill is any better
Fucking dipshit asshole bastard republiQans. Evil, stupid, sociopathic, and cheating every way possible. As usual.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The White House’s plan to boost electric vehicle adoption came under heavy fire in Congress on Wednesday.
Five Democratic Representatives joined the Republican majority to pass a bill that would prohibit the US Environmental Protection Agency from enacting stricter new corporate average fuel efficiency regulations that would require automakers to sell many more EVs by the year 2032.
But burning fewer hydrocarbons has become anathema to the modern Republican Party, and former President Donald Trump’s administration focused some of its attention on undermining the EPA’s ability to regulate tailpipe emissions or cut gasoline dependence.
A pair of Texas Democrats (Henry Cuellar and Vicente Gonzales), as well as Jared Golden (D-Maine), Donald Davis (D-N.C.), and Mary Peltola (D-Alaska) all voted with the Republican Party.
It says the EPA cannot “finalize, implement, or enforce” new vehicle pollution regulations that are meant to go into effect in 2027.
The White House strongly condemned the legislation, which it says would “catastrophically impair” the EPA’s ability to regulate vehicle pollution, and President Joe Biden has threatened to veto the bill should it pass the Senate and be sent to his desk.
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I like the part where the conservative that was staunchly defended by Nancy Pelosi in the last election joined the GOP in voting down climate protecting regulation of ICE exhaust.
Why threaten, do it already.
The bill has been passed by the House but not the Senate. It is not yet ready to be signed or vetoed.
Is this a bill in which the GOP rejects innovative free market capitalism?
Because it sounds like a bill in which the GOP rejects innovative free market capitalism.
Current battery tech for EV’s is only good for short range commuters who have a means to charge from their homes. That leaves out half the population.
Hybrid EVs are pretty good for everything. Their batts are small enough to be easily replaced when they go bad (all EV’s of every type will have their batteries need replaced in 10 to 20 years time) and you don’t need to plug them in so no range issues or priving unregulated EV charging station to worry about finding.
That’s really the only type of EV the US should be concentrating on until there’s better battery options available. A 1500 Lb Battery that costs over $10,000 to have replaced so you can go 300 miles when the car is new (and temps are warm) and have it slowly dwindle down lower and lower with every charge is a waste that will prematurely add vehicles to landfills.
Congrats, you are a mouth piece for the oil industry and part of the problem.
Lol. No. I just know more and have more experience about both vehicles and batteries than almost anyone else that would be on here.
So why don’t you go ahead and explain in your own words why an all electric vehicle built today is going to save the environment. Explain how a vehicle that will only last 15 years before needing to be scrapped or has to have $10,000 thrown at it is better. Explain how all the extra rubber and tire pollution from wearing out 15 to 20 percent faster due to all the extra weight, is going to save the environment. Explain how one country putting up 5% less cO2 is going to slow global warming.
EV will be great after batteries move beyond the li-pos and more of the US is on wind and solar. Right now though, straight EVs are shit.
Explain how a vehicle that will only last 15 years before needing to be scrapped or has to have $10,000 thrown at it is better
Count all the maintenance you would be spending on an ICE over that same time period. Oil changes, spark plugs, coolant. Brakes also have less wear on EVs due to regen braking. It’s too the point where they may last the life of the vehicle.
Ever look at the suggested maintenance schedule for an EV? Dealerships do, and it’s part of why they’re aggressively lobbying the government to keep ICEs on the road longer.
Explain how all the extra rubber and tire pollution from wearing out 15 to 20 percent faster due to all the extra weight, is going to save the environment.
Largely overblown, and also solvable in time. Based on how long humans can go without a food and piss break, plus some padding for 80% charge time and cold weather, there isn’t much point to an EV with more than about 400 miles of range–and this is a very high end estimate. Past that, any further improvements in battery tech can be used to reduce weight. There are EVs on the market that are almost there already.
Explain how one country putting up 5% less cO2 is going to slow global warming.
I don’t know where you’re getting that. Transportation is 28% of US CO2 emissions.
EV will be great after batteries move beyond the li-pos and more of the US is on wind and solar.
So in your mind, we can’t do more than one thing at a time? We can’t have EVs until we have renewable power, and presumably an extensive charging network?
Count all the maintenance you would be spending on an ICE over that same time period. Oil changes, spark plugs, coolant. Brakes also have less wear on EVs due to regen braking. It’s too the point where they may last the life of the vehicle.
I love this.
Plugs are once every 100,000 miles well call it three times in 15 years.
EVs have coolant and it also needs replaced (lol)
Brakes do need changed less. Maybe 2 times over 15 years as opposed to 4 times. Like spark plugs, brakes are cheap. You know what isn’t cheap? The $2,500 inverter that makes the regen work on your ev. Better hope that doesn’t go out. Oops, that $2,500 isn’t including labor. Maybe you can do it yourself.
You got me on oil. Over 15 years there’d be 30 or 40 oil changes. Somewhere around $1,200 total.
Now be sure to add the things in that go out more often on evs. Shocks, struts, tires, tie rods, ball joints…oh, and that insurance on EVs is more expensive. The insurance alone more than offsets the $1,200 for oil changes. Then with tires costing about $700 a set to have mounted I’d sure hate having to do that 15% more often. And that rubber pollution is bad stuff. I just read an article last year about how badly it was harming fish. Ah well. Fuck em, right?
The heat levels of that coolant is far less than in an ICE. It rarely needs replacing. Occasional topping up. A lot of EV maintenance schedules never bother with it.
and that insurance on EVs is more expensive.
https://www.progressive.com/answers/car-insurance-electric-vehicles/
“However, it’s important to note that, while electric vehicles are currently far from the cheapest cars to insure — as they become more commonplace, and the availability of parts and qualified repair shops grows — the cost to fix them should go down, as should electric car insurance rates”
Again, nothing that can’t be solved in time.
Then with tires costing about $700 a set to have mounted I’d sure hate having to do that 15% more often. And that rubber pollution is bad stuff. I just read an article last year about how badly it was harming fish. Ah well. Fuck em, right?
Compared to the pollution output of an ICE? Really? You found one thing that polluted more and ran with it without considering anything else or how it would be solved.
In the future, evs will have better batteries, which has been my entire point. This is now, and now, evs are more expensive to insure.
You don’t replace coolant because it stops cooling or looses it’s ability to not freeze. It lubricates less effectively and can slowly start to pick up electrical currents over long periods of time. So you still need to change it. If you want to have that one over an ice vehicle though, then I guess “oh noooo. I have to spend $25 every 7 years and replace my radiator fluid”
Tires are less about pollution to me and more about the cost, but either way, you only brought it up because you wanted to complain about me pointing it out, and it being true, and how dare I bring up something true? Whatever, man. You think you’re part of this big thing to help the environment, but really you’re just naive and jumping on a bandwagon that’s forcing something before it’s actually going to be beneficial. Most every ev built today is going to be a net loss on the environment. We need clean energy first, then battery tech for EV’s (this may be just a few years away if a couple different auto manufacturers aren’t blowing smoke about their solid state batteries) and we need a charging infrastructure.
On the oil you are forgetting the externality it too poses. The oil needs to be disposed of. In addition to the externalities of the logistics of gas (gas stations, fuel deliveries, leaking Underground storage). There is a lot of these in the fuel process, from drilling oil all the way through the process.
Motor oil doesn’t get disposed of. It just gets recycled, for the most part.
Good point, just read some more on that. Seems like the bulk is refined to be used in boiler furnaces and burned. A small part is reused, and then the final leftovers are so horrible they are disposed of in controversial ways.
But I must admit I thought it was all just burned outright. I have not been able to find numbers on what percentage is recycled and burned and what part is just burned, calling it recycling which is technically correct (the best kind of correct) but not what most people think of when they hear recycling.
Explain how oil is going to save the environment
Never said it would.
Oh no, ONLY half the entire population of the United States would benefit from EVs* so let’s throw those cars in the trash.
- Even if this is true I don’t care because: see above.
Spoken like someone who hasn’t used an EV and hasn’t actually looked into it themselves. Modern EVs work for the huge vast majority of commuters even on level 1 charging (a regular 120v home outlet). It’s also much more convenient for them, as they never need to go to a gas station again.
The biggest issue is apartment dwellers. Apartment owners should be required to maintain a certain number and level of access to charging equipment per apartment. Just access to level 1 charging would likely be fine, they just have to be forced to make it available.
you don’t need to plug them in so no range issues or priving unregulated EV charging station to worry about finding.
But if these cars charge their batteries by burning more gas then whats the point of having EV at all?
They don’t just charge by burning gas. The main time you burn up a lot of fuel is when accelerating from a stop and climbing a hill. That’s when something like a prius will use the electric motor and battery, then just use its gas motor to cruise at a steady speed on a flat roadway. The battery will charge itself when hitting the brake or taking your foot off the accelerator and slowing down or going down a hill.
It’s why the prius is popular. It’s a 75 pound battery but helps provide adequate acceleration and gets 50mpg by having a small and fuel efficient gas engine.
Ya that make sense. But then their positive effect on climate is minimal. Hopefully no one would think they are half helping the planet by buying a hybrid
Full evs will fill a landfill in 15 years time and need an entire new car to be built to replace it. New 1500 lbs of lithium and Cobalt and nickel battery as well to be mined.
You want to help the environment you’d be doing far more by installing solar on your roof and buying an ice vehicle than you would be by buying an EV with today’s battery tech in it. How “green” they are is only skin deep right now. That will change later when more electricity is from renewable sources and batteries in EV’s improve beyond what they’re at using heavy li po chemistry. But that’s later. Not now.
Full evs will fill a landfill in 15 years time and need an entire new car to be built to replace
Doesn’t that applies to any car? or you mean because many EV companies make it difficult to repair their product using a 3ed party? That’s why we need a “right to repair bill”, there is nothing fundamental in EV cars that make them non-serviceable.
New 1500 lbs of lithium and Cobalt and nickel battery as well to be mined
I agree that EVs are not as green as one might think and I am also hopefully that things will change in the future. however that doesn’t mean we stick with ordinary cars for now. If no body buy EV, the companies would simply shut down and there won’t be “future” to talk about.
It like solar panel they used to have terrible efficiency and lot of gas emission producing them and people were wondering if they really are any greener but had people stopped buying them back then, we wouldn’t have better versions today.
