What we need to do is stop viewing men and women as separate entities that require different expectations and treatment. Hell, we should probably just chuck the entire construct of gender out the window as it serves no real purpose other than to pit groups of people against each other.
I think this is absolutely the way to go for future generations (think genderless preschools/kindergartens) but I really don’t think we can just flip a switch and undo millennia of gendered expectations. Although I really do appreciate the folks that try.
but I really don’t think we can just flip a switch and undo millennia of gendered expectations.
Psychedelics make the brain flexible and this facilitates rapid cultural change.
I fully agree with your… Vibe?
But honestly there are differences between the sexes and genders and we shouldn’t just ignore those. Especially not with gender roles still being so embedded and most people being raised/coded with them.
I grew up a hetero normative male and that shit is hard to let go of, even tho I’m definitely not straight and love queer stuff. Escaping that “programming” can be scary AF.
I’m more than happy to raise a new generation free of gender roles, but let’s not forget those that were raised with them.
Yeah, it’s definitely not something that is even remotely easy to change and it would probably take several generations to do so. I think it starts with separating the two concepts and recognizing that for the most part the differences are tied to sex, not gender. Also, I think it’s perfectly fine for people to identify with a gender, but to tie the entire perception of them to the gender is where all the problems arise. Though maybe that necessarily complicates things.
Doesn’t need to be anything as wild as peyote. Just get some psilocybin, some pals you haven’t seen in a while, and have a talk. You’ll come out of that with a deeper understanding of yourself. Fact is, for every toxic man that needs to do soul searching, there’s a toxic woman. Perhaps, instead of pointing the finger at the opposite sex/gender/whatever, take people on a case by case basis. If they’re important to you in your life, you can be the catalyst that causes them to take the first step towards self improvement. Empathy is extremely important.
I don’t see how men being gentlemen and dealing with their inner demons are mutually exclusive
I do see peyote being the part that doesn’t fit in though…
Psychedelics can help you identify, understand, come to terms with accepting, and managing, the things about yourself you wouldn’t otherwise. That begets the healthy self aware gentleman
They can also mess you up even worse
Yeah, I don’t want to down play the effects that properly administered psychedelics seem to be having in clinical trials.
But I’ve got a couple buddies who lost themselves to drugs. Specifically thinking of a pair of close friends who fell off the rails in college after getting really into pot and then LSD. I don’t care how much people say it doesn’t meet the clinical definition of addictive, weed will get you hooked and make you a lethargic POS if you let it.
And so given the very niche usage of peyote, I would assume those who use it are more likely to fall into the latter type of drug users.
That said, if you’ve got scientific write ups you can link me to to the contrary, I’d love to learn more about it.
So if we’re talking about demographic data on peyote users, could you give a more specific characterization of the latter type? Do you mean people who frequently use other illicit drugs? What are some datapoints that would help describe the type of person you’re talking about (age, sex, level of education, income, ethnicity*, nationality*, frequency of use, etc.)?
*Relevant due to religious use under the American Indian Religious Freedom Act in the U.S.
Asking honestly to see what exists re: scientific write ups (though given the topic there are possible problems of under-reporting and selection bias). Found this to start from but haven’t dug into it yet.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25187051/
If we’re talking about the possible benefits and pitfalls of drug-induced psychedelic experiences generally outside of clinical contexts, this is tricky, but here are some write-ups of interest you could start from. This is intended simply as a signpost.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/02698811231158245
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyt.2022.831092/full
Psychedelic therapy has significantly helped me with my PTSD. What you’re talking about is self medication. Your friends are trying to find something they need. The problem isn’t the drugs, it’s the lack of support. It’s not like they were fine and suddenly got swallowed by drugs. Anyone doing a bunch of drugs of any kind has problems that they need help with.
I’m glad to hear that worked for you. I don’t know that I agree with everything you’ve said, but what You’ve said seems to have a logic basis. I do wish I’d been more mature and put together enough on my own end to help my buddies out back in the day.
But all of that aside and looping back the the original post, I do think the line “do peyote” implies a more recreational (as opposed to clinical) application of the drugs.
I think that there’s some missing context that peyote is generally ceremonial with a long history of being part of indigenous religious traditions.
I did psychedelics recreationally once and it was one of the worst experiences of my life, but I think it made be a better person. But generally, I strongly disagree with recreational use of psychedelics. It’s extremely dangerous to experiment with psychedelics without an understanding of what one is going in to. I don’t think that clinical is the only other option here. There are a lot of places inbetween. But yeah, anyone talking about recreationally going out to do peyote without a whole lot of mental preparation and support is playing with something pretty powerful and probably won’t have fun.
Peyote definitely did not humble me
men bad women good
Is the vibe.
Maybe you need some peyote time
Can I just realize I am a human with weaknesses and strengths, loves and hates, bias and judgements but knows that if I am aware that the judgements and bias are there that I can set them aside to be fair to all when needed?
I don’t really want to do drugs, even if they will open my brain to the universe. I’m not ready to deal with my shit right now. I’d rather just be nice to everyone except obvious assholes, who I will just keep at a distance for my own sake.
Nope strong psychedelics are mandatory now.
But seriously I am not by any means advocating psychedelics as any sort of solution to anything. My own experiences with psychedelics have not always been good and if folks don’t think it’s right for them they should absolutely trust that feeling.
I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they’ve always worked for me.
- Hunter S Thompson
I didn’t really develop a personality of my own until I went balls deep into psychedelics and dissociatives in my 20’s, and even then it wasn’t until I started having “bad” experiences. That first bad LSD trip was rough, but it changed how I saw myself and my place in the world in a fundamental way. So many molecules, so many memories.
I can deeply relate with this! The most extreme “bad” trip I ever had completely changed the way I saw my life.
I was headed down a bad road, and had become content with my shitty lot in life. That trip made me face the fact that I was unhappy and was going to continue become more and more unhappy until I did something about it.
Over a decade later, I am much happier with myself and my environment. Thank you LSD! You changed me life!
I’m sure there are plenty of good ways to get high, I smoked a lot of weed back in the day but I’d rather just be completely sober now.
I spent 32 years of my life sleeping horribly, my brain literally doesn’t tell my lungs to breathe, I got a CPAP at 32 and for the first time felt truly awake. It was probably the most clarifying feeling I’ve ever felt in my life. I don’t think I want to fuck with my brain now that I have it operating about as good as it ever will.
Drug-induced psychedelic experiences are certainly not the only path to self-reflection and developing deeper self-awareness (in fact, for some people, they may not have that effect at all). You’re ok to pass on the peyote if you don’t feel it would be beneficial.
Edit: I will say, though, that I think everyone should set trials to better understand themselves and push at their perceived limits and baselines. Drug-induced psychedelic experiences can be pretty accessible trials in this sense, again for some. Ain’t the only way, though.
A what now? I thought i was capable of speaking English.
I’m not here for your fucking needs
So you want drugs?
Please don’t do peyote. It’s endangered. Go drink a san Pedro cactus instead.
Will that humble me like peyote?
Unless you grew it yourself from seed. But san pedro grows way faster, is more legal, and more common/cheaper, so just a better option for most people
Honestly? Yeah, kinda.
Meh, I do think psychs should be legalized and do a ton myself, but this notion that all the shitty people in the world just need to have a good trip and they’ll be better is silly and dangerous.
Tripping can make you confront shitty things you’ve been doing if you’re a decent person, but it won’t make someone who’s a Nazi not a Nazi, it’ll just make them weirder and sometimes more sure that they’re enlightened and see the truth.
Source: have met Nazis and shit who love acid.
Jesus Christ a lot of y’all are taking this way too seriously
did you pass out the psychedelics yet?
Image Transcription: Twitter Post
Alena Smith, @internetalena
We don’t need men to be “gentlemen” we need men to do peyote and face their deep cores of emptiness, then return to the village humbled
no I’m too square and scared of mind altering substances (my grasp on reality is already quite tenuous)
If that’s how you feel then I would recommend avoiding them, or if you did want to, proceeding with extreme cautious (very low doses).
If any family history of schizophrenia then definitely avoid.
Thanks, can. My partner is curious, so I’ll probably take a baby dose at some point.
I’m pretty attached to my sobriety. If not for the mostly emphatic accounts of people’s trips, I wouldn’t have any interest. It’s nice to hear a voice going a bit counter to that for once.
I’m pretty experienced so if either of you have any specific questions reply with them and I can do my best to answer.
I really want to emphasize starting with a low dose. You can always take more, but can’t take less. Any experience with mind altering substances at all? Alcohol, cannabis, etc? Not that they’re really comparable.
Remember set and setting too. You want to be in a good mindset, if you’ve had a bad day or are dwelling on something that’s making you stressed it’s best to reschedule. Also, if you’re on any medications make sure to google any interactions. And the setting. Be with people you trust in a comfortable, familiar environment.
Yeah plenty of experience with alcohol and cannabis. And my partner was a raver, so lots of experience with drugs there. Though nowadays we don’t even drink coffee, so our tolerances are probably in the toilet lol.
My ideal first trip would be one where I doubt if I’m even feeling anything, so very on board with starting on a low dose.
My ideal first trip would be one where I doubt if I’m even feeling anything,
In that case I’d recommend maybe 0.1g (whereas for a proper “feeling it” dose I’d say ~2g)
Alright! Sounds like I’ve got my trajectory plotted, thanks! Will try and remember to check back when I finally get around to it
Please do! Make sure you have a scale.
Ok. You provide?
DMT is naturally occurring is many plants.
For example, Phalaris aquatica and Mimosa tenuiflora. Not sure what that has to do with Mescaline though
Challenge accepted.
Honestly though, Peyote is for plebs. Go try some Kambo and then we’ll talk.
I think I read about Kambo once long ago but I didn’t remember the name. The article I read, I think in High Times in the '90s, the jungle guy lit a match, blew it out, and used the hot part to burn a spot on the arm of the guy about to take the drug. The drug, I think a sap was applied to the burn wound.
At some point after, the intoxicated guy shit his pants, puked, passed out, etc, but when he awoke, he said his senses were amplified, like he could hear and see better, he would’ve become a better hunter, one with the forest. He said the tribal people used it as a hunting aid.
Yeah, I did it once, that’s pretty much how it goes down. It doesn’t work when consumed, so they use a burn wound to get it straight into your bloodstream. I’m assuming a syringe might do the trick as well, but that’s the traditional way.
What you forgot to mention is the pain, which is usually what causes the puking, unlike mushrooms, where it’s nausea. This stuff basically lights every single one of your nerves on fire and you’ll be in exquisite agony for what seems like forever, but is really only about 10-15 minutes tops. But yes, if you can resist the urge to jump off the nearest cliff in order make it end, you do feel a lot better than you did before.
Also, the heightened senses are not the result of hallucinations, but rather because you basically just power washed your entire nervous system, and your body is simply remembering avenues of perception that were always there, but have been lying dormant as a result of habitual avoidance.
How is an entire Far Cry game not already based around this - this is like their bread and butter
They went with hallucinogenic mushrooms instead, probably because they’re more well known.
My body, my choice.