• GigaFlop@kbin.social
    1154·
    11 months ago

    Technically false
    Gamer here, use Linux cause proton is good and I’m fed up with windows lol

    • Octopus1348@lemy.lol
      47·
      11 months ago

      This is probably an old meme. I use Linux as a dedicated gaming OS, macOS for everything else except when Linux is already booted or nothing is and I want to do something quickly.

        • JayleneSlide@lemmy.world
          3·
          11 months ago

          In my case, Inventor and AutoCAD. I hate AutoDesk with the fury of a thousand suns, but FreeCAD just isn’t stable enough.

          Oh, and currently needing .NET automatic source generation (long story), which is very difficult to develop on anything other than Windows.

      • cyberpunk007@lemmy.world
        4·
        11 months ago

        I use Windows only when a certain game has a quirk in Linux. Everything else is Linux. Video editing, photo editing, gaming, browsing, etc

    • Camelbeard@lemmy.world
      211·
      11 months ago

      I kind of really dislike the notion that you only use Linux because you are too poor for Apple.

      I don’t use Apple because I don’t like to be stuck in a walled garden where a company decides what’s best for me.

      I know it’s just a meme, but I think too many people actually think Linux is somehow inferior to Apple (MacOS) while I think it’s the other way around.

      • okamiueru@lemmy.world
        14·
        11 months ago

        Also. MacOS is absolute garbage. I’ve used it for 4 months now, and it pisses me off how inconsistent it is, and poorly designed and written. Two days wasted because of an almost bricked laptop because the monitor was set to 60Hz while installing an update. Just think about that.

        I also had the misfortune of booting into windows after changing a motherboard. It was an absolute shit show there too, with broken drivers. Two hours of debugging. Had to use a long ethenet cable to even start fixing it, a flashback to a Linux experience I had in 2007.

        Same system in Linux? Not a single second spent. WiFi drivers, microcode. Everything worked fine. Only thing necessary was fixing the grub/mbr partition that Windows decided to write over, on a separate drive. But that’s also Microsoft being shit.

        People just don’t know how much more usable Linux is these days. Especially for power users. You can do so many things, so easily, that either works out of the box, or you can do with simple scripting. The only issue is software availability, but that too is mostly a thing of the past, and not really a fault of the OS.

        • greencactus@lemmy.world
          51·
          11 months ago

          Yes, I agree. Just holy cactus, MacOS is just so bad these days. The inconsistency us driving me nuts. Why do the windows you open with the “help” menus inside of apps have small buttons? Why do some apps (e.g. Music) have a Search entry on the left side, and why do so have it on the left? Why do we still have tons of icons for system apps (Photo Booth, I’m looking at you) who have been programmed in a time where there have been dinosaurs around and seem to have never changed? … And so on. Like honestly, MacOS is so much better that Windows (which admittedly isn’t hard), but when I open up my good ol’ Fedora I dont have the feeling that I see a new shiny operating system, and when I click on a wrong button I am in the 1990-s again. Or 2050-s. Or God knows where. Linux has its unique set of challenges, but I fully agree that the notion that “MacOS is better than the rest” just isn’t true anymore. Maybe it was, when Linux distributions were worse and there was more money put into bugfixing OS releases. But not anymore.

        • Victor@lemmy.world
          13·
          11 months ago

          snap windows to the edge of their screens

          While it’s not a feature out of the box, there is software to add this functionality to macOS. But… same on Linux. You need to install that software if you want the feature. (Gnome/i3/other choice with this functionality.) So 🤷‍♂️

          • dustyData@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            10 months ago

            The most popular software to do that is proprietary and you have to buy it. For Apple you are only a demi-sentient wallet and they are constantly trying to dry you up. I hate that with a passion.

            • Victor@lemmy.world
              1·
              10 months ago

              Okay. Is that software owned by Apple, you mean? Or only available through their store?

              What about the next, or second next popular software to do that? All proprietary and cost money?

              Just curious.

      • 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
        32·
        11 months ago

        I kind of really dislike the notion that you only use Linux because you are too poor for Apple.

        It’s supposed to be funny 🤷 😂, like a very simplified version of how things actually are.

      • nsfw_alt_2023@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
        43·
        11 months ago

        You’re confusing iOS, where you are in a walled garden, with macOS, where you can just do whatever the hell you want (There’s a recovery partition you can boot to where you can disable just about every bit of security that’s not hardware much like booting to grub in Linux)

        • Camelbeard@lemmy.world
          1·
          11 months ago

          You’re right, although I wouldn’t be surprised that at some point MacOS will have a mandatory app store to protect you.

    • firecat@kbin.social
      320·
      11 months ago

      Not good enough for DRM games, most mmo games or playing on private servers in minecraft or something.

          • i_dont_want_to@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            8·
            11 months ago

            Java version is the easiest to run on Linux. I have seen that people have gotten Bedrock to work but it looks a lot harder to get running and has more limitations.

          • Trainguyrom@reddthat.comEnglish
            2·
            11 months ago

            Java is famously cross-platform. It even means you can run a Minecraft server on Arm64 without issue. I currently have a heavily modded Minecraft server hosted on an Ampere Alta VPS without a single hitch

      • Secret300@sh.itjust.works
        14·
        11 months ago

        What’s are you talking about with Minecraft? I’ve always been able to joins any server cause it’s the same game.

        • firecat@kbin.social
          112·
          11 months ago

          Private servers not official Microsoft ones you login on the game. A server that isn’t connected by Microsoft organization in the Minecraft community. That’s the private server im talking about.

          • Secret300@sh.itjust.works
            81·
            11 months ago

            Yeah nah I host my own Minecraft server and you’re just wrong. I’ve used multiple server softwares as well that have nothing to do with Microsoft. Are you talking about bedrock edition maybe?

      • TurboWafflz@lemmy.world
        92·
        11 months ago

        If the DRM or anticheat needs low enough level access that it won’t run in wine I don’t think I really want it running on my computer either way.

      • penguin@sh.itjust.works
        71·
        11 months ago

        I think it’s almost at the point where the only games that don’t work are games with anti cheat that refuse to play nicely.

      • reddithalation@sopuli.xyz
        1·
        11 months ago

        minecraft (java, not sure about bedrock) on linux is flawless, private servers work exactly as they do on windows.

    • M137@lemmy.world
      622·
      11 months ago

      Worth every penny IMO, MacOS is super nice and so is the hardware.

      (I don’t have a mac, wish I did though).

      Cue the apple hater replies, this will be fun.

      • cm0002@lemmy.world
        2·
        10 months ago

        (I don’t have a mac, wish I did though).

        Worth every penny IMO, MacOS is super nice and so is the hardware.

        Putting all my legitimate Apple/MacOS concerns/arguments aside, how can you declare a product as “Worth every penny” when you yourself have not used it for an extensive period of time? Attempted to integrate it into your workflow?

  • Da_Boom@iusearchlinux.fyiEnglish
    303·
    11 months ago

    This flowchart is wrong.

    If I follow this reasoning, I should be running windows. I am not running windows, Ergo, either it is incorrect or I am incorrect. And I refuse to believe I’m incorrect.

  • MartinXYZ@sh.itjust.works
    19·
    11 months ago

    I had a friend about 25 years ago who was very much into Quake Arena. His gaming setup ran on BSD. Now that I’ve been gaming on Linux for several years, I’ve really come to appreciate how much work it must have been to get that setup running smoothly in the late 90s. He died a couple of years ago. I sometimes wish I could call him up and get some advice.

    • 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
      4·
      11 months ago

      Wow… just wow… QIII on BSD 25 years ago… yeah, that must have been hell to set up…

  • Grass@sh.itjust.works
    17·
    11 months ago

    This one didn’t age quite as poorly as some of the others. I have gotten to the point of generally preferring Linux gaming now though. Bsd is still a bit lacking for my general computing but opnsense on my router is one of those ‘where has this been all my life?’ things.

    • 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
      4·
      11 months ago

      OpnSense wasn’t quite there yet a few years ago. Now, it’s golden 👍! Don’t know why people still prefer pfSense over OpnSense, it’s so much easier to set up and maintain.

  • Yuki@kutsuya.dev
    166·
    11 months ago

    Linux gaming is better than Windows imo. No tracking, random bsod, shit just either works or it doesn’t. If it doesn’t, you make it work.

    • Kogasa@programming.dev
      5·
      11 months ago

      Eh? I don’t get BSODs because my compositor simply crashes (requiring a system restart, as the compositor will crash again if restarted) or my graphics driver hangs. Can’t remember the last time I bluescreened on Windows except for when I was testing an unstable RAM overclock.

      I won’t say Linux gaming is better than Windows, but I will say it’s good enough that I don’t miss Windows at all even after a few years.

      • Yuki@kutsuya.dev
        1·
        11 months ago

        Hm, weird! I never experiences crashes, except if I leave my pc on for days on end

        • Kogasa@programming.dev
          1·
          11 months ago

          It’s highly specific to your setup and the game/software. Most games aren’t a problem. Just the occasional random issue, like in WoW certain locations insta-crash my graphics driver.

          • Yuki@kutsuya.dev
            1·
            11 months ago

            That’s so odd. Yea, I do agree it’s the setup. Lots of people mix ram sticks, weird drivers, etc.

            • Kogasa@programming.dev
              1·
              11 months ago

              My setup is pretty clean hardware wise (Zen 3, matched RAM, stable/no overclocking, 6800xt), mainline mesa drivers, only thing that’s really unstable is wlroots-git / sway-git. Which is sometimes the problem, and other times it’s mesa. I also have 3x 1440p monitors, 240/120/120Hz, so if there’s any throughput-related bug I’ll probably run into it. Being on Arch I’ll probably also run into bugs related to updates in dynamically linked libraries fairly early, sometimes before they’re fixed.

              • Yuki@kutsuya.dev
                1·
                11 months ago

                I also run arch and xfce4, having more than 1 monitor fucks with my refresh rates. Also, your setup sounds pretty nice

      • u/lukmly013 💾 (lemmy.sdf.org)@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
        1·
        11 months ago

        I do. Last Monday between 8-11am. But on a school PC. 64-bit Windows 10 Pro doesn’t seem to play well with slow ancient 80GB HDD, ancient entry-level single-core CPU and 1GiB of RAM leaving just 45MiB free when nothing else than task manager was open.

        Can’t blame Windows here though. It couldn’t even run Linux Mint XFCE (crashed after opening Firefox). This week I “upgraded” it to Windows 7 SP1. Yes, it’s connected to internet. But don’t worry, we also have Windows XP machines connected to internet.

        Just a funny note: One of the requirements from these computers is that they run the newest version of Cisco Packet Tracer… which requires 4GB of free RAM. Yeah, sure.

    • lolcatnip@reddthat.comEnglish
      1·
      11 months ago

      The only time I’ve seen a bsod in the last 10 years was because of faulty RAM that would’ve crashed any OS just as hard.

      • Yuki@kutsuya.dev
        5·
        11 months ago

        I work in IT and I see them weekly. Most of the time caused by Microsoft updates or people not shutting down their pc for over a week

  • onlinepersona@programming.devEnglish
    9·
    11 months ago

    I’m actually curious what BSD provides in comparison to Linux. What does it add, do better, or worse?

    The only thing I know is that they introduced some stuff way before linux did, but that’s simply due to the age. BSD jails for example have been around for a long time. Buy beyond that, it was never apparent to me why linux took off and BSD didn’t.

    CC BY-NC-SA 4.0

    • cyberpunk007@lemmy.world
      71·
      11 months ago

      Bsd is a complete package and tested as such. All the software and everything. It’s like windows, when it’s released you install it and you get wordpad, edge, calculator etc. Bsd is the same that way. Linux is just a kernel, with the distributions bolting on the gnu software. I know it sounds kinda the same but it’s not.

      Also the license. With Linux I think you need to cite it’s use and you can’t charge for something build with it (of course there’s exceptions, like packages you create do not need to be for example), but bsd license is the most permissive. You can charge a customer for it and dress it up however you want.

      No systemd.

      There’s some other stuff too

      • joonazan@discuss.tchncs.de
        8·
        11 months ago

        You don’t need to cite, you need to provide source code. The point of GPL is to allow the user to inspect and modify the software. You can even sell it as long as you provide the modified source code under the same license.

    • namingthingsiseasy@programming.dev
      4·
      11 months ago

      I would say the biggest advantage is that OpenBSD is a very security-focused distribution, in a way that I don’t think any Linux-based distro has adopted.

      The other advantage is ZFS. 10-20 years ago, there was no equivalent, and btrfs was in its infancy. These days, btrfs has proven that it is pretty stable and resilient. There might still be some advantages of ZFS over btrfs, but I haven’t used either one at all, so I can’t really be sure.

      Outside of that, the BSDs are basically just different distros. Back in the 90s, when there was a lot more diversity in Unix, a lot of people just started out with *BSD because there was no clear choice at the time. People just like to use what they are more comfortable with - but most new users pick Linux over BSD these days, and a lot of people who started out on BSD have assimilated onto Linux.

      Still, diversity is a good, nice thing, especially with the advent of systemd. So I’m glad we still have the BSDs around, even if I disagree with their stance toward the GPL.

      • 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
        1·
        11 months ago

        There might still be some advantages of ZFS over btrfs, but I haven’t used either one at all, so I can’t really be sure.

        Curently, there are none. In fact, BTRFS has outperformed ZFS in every aspect in the past few years, including filesystem growth (when changing drives, put in bigger ones, something you could never do with ZFS).

        Outside of that, the BSDs are basically just different distros. Back in the 90s, when there was a lot more diversity in Unix, a lot of people just started out with *BSD because there was no clear choice at the time. People just like to use what they are more comfortable with - but most new users pick Linux over BSD these days, and a lot of people who started out on BSD have assimilated onto Linux.

        The main reason is more drivers and software. Sure, it might be fun compiling from source when you’re young, but at the end of the day, when you wanna get work done, you really can’t tell your customer (or boss) “look, I really can’t deal with this right now, I’m building FF from source”. Also, one of the main reasons why Gentoo and LFS have a fairly small user base.

        Still, diversity is a good, nice thing, especially with the advent of systemd. So I’m glad we still have the BSDs around, even if I disagree with their stance toward the GPL.

        There are distros that don’t use systemd, Void being the most prominent of them all (mainly because of the number of packages it has in it’s repo).

    • 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
      2·
      11 months ago

      You get to write your own drivers from scratch, so you know for sure no one is spying on you 👍.

      Linux took off because, one, it wasn’t backed up by an institution or a company, just one guy doing weird stuff with his computer, and two, because of the license. People don’t like investing time in something that others might use for free in their commercial products. And not only that, but they’re not bound by law to release the source for that. And this is the reasson why every printer out there runs a BSD variant, not Linux.

    • Trollception@lemmy.world
      1·
      11 months ago

      Yea I don’t use Linux much but both my router and nas are running BSD. Also I found out the PS5 runs BSD. Guessing the benefits are a stable OS as my router/nas often have uptime in the months with my NAS once running over a year without being restarted.

      • 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
        2·
        11 months ago

        No, it’s because BSD has a permissive license, unlike Linux. You have to release source if you change the source, which is not what BSD is about. BSD says “here’s the source, do whatever you want with it”.