• TrickDacy@lemmy.world
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      8 months ago

      It seems as though recently any joke that somehow could be construed as involving gayness became “homophobic” to a certain crowd. Nothing in this image says butt sex is bad. Is it homophobic to simply imply the obvious truth that submission in sex is a real thing?

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        8 months ago

        Associating the concepts of “tops” and “bottoms” to gay couples having sex is at least kind of ignorant if not homophobic.

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          8 months ago

          Getting bent over and fucked from behind isn’t exclusive to homosexual men… And regardless, nobody is saying that’s bad, if you’re into it, go crazy. Most people get the hint that the picture represents unwanted sex, which I hope we can agree is bad regardless of your orientation.

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            8 months ago

            It is literally the meaning behind the meme. There’s a silhouette of two men labeled “you” and “Microsoft” with the Microsoft man depicted as the top, the one doing the fucking, the one in the stereotypical position of power in the act. The message is, “Microsoft fucks you like this man fucks this other man in the ass.” I don’t have to spell this out, it’s what’s in the picture.

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              8 months ago

              So if one has boobs would it be hateful toward straight people? It’s actually just as simple as using the word “fucking” as a verb to imply hurting or taking advantage of another person. It was then made into graphical format. This requires a leap to see anything in it besides that.

              Do you get mad every time you hear “you fucked me!”?

              Other than someone being a whiner about the word fuck, I’ve never ever heard of this being stretched into some sort of bigotry. Because it absolutely isn’t.

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                8 months ago

                Yeah, it’s all from the same origin. The implication being that the one penetrating is “the man” and the one being penetrated is “the woman.” The other part of the implication being to fuck someone is good and powerful and dominating and being fucked is bad and immaculating and submissive.

                If that sounds like I’m adding my own words and meaning to a simple phrase, think about what is actually being said when you say “you’re getting fucked by Microsoft.” What, you don’t want to get fucked? Why? Sex is supposed to be a positive thing two people can do together. Unless the one “getting fucked” doesn’t want to and now we’re not talking about fucking, we’re talking about using violent rape as an analogy for what a software company is doing to its userbase and that’s just…kind of fucked up. I shouldn’t have to explain why, right?

                Anyway, no, I don’t get mad whenever I hear a phrase that stems from heteronormative ideas of sex. I don’t assume the person saying it is homophobic or an idiot, they probably just don’t know. But a friend once educated me on the subject, I thought about it, and I agree. So now I avoid using phrases like that, and when someone openly questions it like you have, cool, I’ll stop and talk about it.

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                  8 months ago

                  Maybe there’s something that I’m still missing, but the genders could be any which way and it would still give the same meaning: fucking or screwing someone over. It’s vulgar and tasteless but I don’t think it is necessarily homophobic or misogynistic.

                  It does simply imply someone is being (sexually) dominated by another, but there’s no placement of “good” or “bad”—just that Microsoft users are being dominated by Microsoft, which is roughly true. I do think it’s a crude analogy and a terrible meme, but to say it’s anything more seems like a stretch.