four programs to make Linux boot media
Or you can use one Ventoy to make a boot media with four Linux ISOs.
Found the Ventoy bro /s
What are some recommendations for putting Ventoy on your main USB (with other contents instead of just ISOs)? I need to find the guide I saw, it mentioned some configurations to prevent it from searching every directory for ISOs
Also while I’m having some federation issues, the linked website can be subscribed to from here :)
https://www.ventoy.net/en/doc_search_path.html
tl;dr: create a .ventoyignore file inside the folder you want Ventoy not to scan.
I never really noticed performance decrease. But still this is great to know - thank you!
wow, really wow.
i saw veronica talk about ventoy weirdos on mastodon, and here you are.
Ventoy weirdos? Ventoy is just a solid and convenient program to create live usbs. What’s the problem with it?
because this video is a beginners guide and ventoy is irrelevant for that topic, yet here you are still talking about it.
No, it is. How could it be simplier? Install Ventoy and then just drag 'n drop your ISOs to usb drive. Why Rufus is beginner friendly and Ventoy is not?
Also, Ventoy doesn’t work on all hardware. Meanwhile, the typical options work just fine.
Works for me on Lenovo ThinkCentre M720q’s I’ve sniped used & stacked.
Although I gotta force text mode in Ventoy menu options, otherwise some distro ISO’s boot into scrambled graphics, suppose I should bother to RTFM sometime.
I’ve yet to try Ventoy on an external NVMe case I pieced together recently, and on my wife’s newer laptop.
I don’t mean to be rude, but great? Didn’t work for me on all my hardware, even using a Windows ISO. I pointed out my personal experience, because it’s not the panacea its proponents would have everyone believe.
I would certainly never use it to install anything, after my experiences with it. If it can’t get opening ISOs right, I don’t need a surprise that my install is fucked up.
I have Ventoy on a USB stick, tried to use it recently for DBAN and it didn’t work, is there any way to get around that these days? Haven’t looked into it recently.
It works for Ultimate Boot CD, which includes DBAN and a lot of other fun stuff.
I play with retro hardware and Ventoy has also worked for me with some weird old isos that even Rufus didn’t work with (XP/Server 2003 multidisc from eXPerience that uses a Linux bootloader?)
dd, or cat with a shell redirect are all you need to write that iso.
My trouble with dd is all the flags I need to remember to make it fast and more convenient.
dd if=file of=/dev/device oflag=direct status=progress bs=1M
is there anything I’m missing?bs=1M
This part varies based on your hardware (my hardware is much faster with a value of 4096) , but other than that it’s everything.
Here is a handy script that can help determine which bs size is best for your hardware.
I think you might mean 4096.
Yes, I do! Thanks!
dd can be soooo much faster too. But like you, I always forget the tags. I should make an alias sometime…
The video description says it’s aimed at Windows users, dd and cat have no power there
oflag=direct
What does this do?
oflag=direct
Prevents the writes from piling up in the cache. dd will report the transfer is done when the writes have been cached so this setting prevents dd from exiting until the data has been written completely to the block device.
Use
conv=fsync
This ensures the cache is written before dd exits, but doesn’t necessarily write to disk directly. This means that, for small files, dd can finish release its hold on the input file quicker
I like Ventoy because I’m an ISO hoarder but if the task needs a dedicated USB, then I’ll open Etcher.
I don’t… understand… the downvotes. I do the same thing though I never really get to the Balena Etcher part. Also, Ventoy is the only way to get a Windows ISO up and running from Linux, as far as I know.
The down votes are from the Etcher part, it has a cult of lovers and a cult of haters.
I’m l fine with people using Etcher, Rufus, or whatever works for them, but I’m aware that both software I just named has passionate haters.
Etcher is not recommend anymore because it’s adware and there are better free alternative like Impression
I’ll check Impression out, thanks!
Sadly the “reddit mentality” has already established in this community – theres no “why” in these downvotes other than as a self-relief/validation thing.
I really don’t get why I should use anything else than dd
Fear?
Not everyone likes to use commands for something as trivial as this, its nice to press a couple buttons and wait for it to be done vs learning how dd works and what arguments to use etc.
Not everyone likes to install compicated graphical software which does a thousand and one things it shouldn’t do just to copy files to an external drive
My favorite way to create a boot media is simply to use cat. No arguments, no shenanigans just a cat into the device :
cat debian.iso > /dev/sda
Replace cat with pv to get a progress bar for free
One caveat is that you will need write access to the drive, which probably means you need to run as root — can’t run that with
sudo
as-is, unlikedd
.Yep that’s right, but I use fdisk to check my drives before writing on them and it also requires sudo…
Right, I just meant that you can’t
sudo cat file > /dev/sda
but you cansudo dd ...
, because IO redirection isn’t elevated to root with sudo. I’m not saying anything too profound :)Oh right, my bad x) I agree, it’s a little bit akward to use su then cat everytime.
iirc there was a reason you should use dd instead of directly copying the data, I think something to do with device block alignment or something?
That could be possible but for the moment I didn’t encouter any problem with cat. I think I’m going to stick with it for the time being.
Little known fact, Disk Manager comes with almost every distro, and works just fine.
Great suggestions. The Ventoy bros are weird. Just use what works for you.
I’ve used ventoy to set up a bootable USB with Mint & MX options. It allowed me to set the Mint with persistence. The MX has issues with persistence.
How to set up reusable boot with dd I don’t know.
MX has its own built in tool to make a bootable USB with persistence
Will have to check it out.
Thanks
Nice thing about GNOME DE is it comes with Gnome Disks. Select device, click the restore image button and point to the ISO
I like how simple Mint’s USB image writer makes it for newbies, both to look it up in the menu as well as the simple UI
I don’t burn ISOs often enough to need a dedicated ventoy drive, or to remember how to use the DD command, so Impression is generally what I use. I generally prefer Libadwaita/GTK4 apps that look at home on my system.
Another program that works on Windows, which I prefer to Balena Etcher, but less so than Rufus: unetbootin
I do use Ventoy, but a more “traditional” alternative that I like is Popsicle. Super lightweight, and works very well. Some cases do require a dedicated USB, where Ventoy won’t work, at least not without trickery (e.g. anything with persistent storage).
I curious because I don’t have the skill to test it myself but can you just manually copy everything to USB it’s just work?
No, the drive needs a boot partition for the bios to know there is something to be booted on the drive.
Most Linux ISO’s do properly include the partitions in the ISO, so you can clone the iso to a drive and that should work, using dd for example. But just copying the files won’t work.
iirc windows iso’s did use to support just creating a fat32 partition and moving all the files over, not sure how they managed that. But now the international ISO for win 11 has a file that’s more than the max 4Gb allowed by fat32, so you can’t do that anymore either.
In the general case, no, but there are some rare specific cases where that does work.
If you’re trying to produce Linux media that will boot on a single-board computer that has an onboard bootloader, like a Pi 4, you can indeed just partition the target medium and copy the files manually (been there, done that, working with a custom Gentoo install with no ISO).
If the bootloader has to be on the target medium (as it would for a desktop or laptop), then that won’t work unless you also do a manual bootloader install after copying everything. Not impossible, but at that point you’re hitting the level of complexity where it’s easier to figure out the correct
dd
command.(As for Windows? Don’t even bother. It hates being worked on with anything but its own tools.)
Fedora Media Writer is the best, I hardly use BalenaEtcher but its good too incase the former doesnt work
Does it work for any distro other than fedora tho?
Yeah I wish it had a different name but it works for every distro via flatpak. I like using it that way but im sure it works well as a package for most distros.
It even works on Windows
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I generally use the Raspberry Pi Imager, It works just as well with USB’s as TF cards.
Me too! I have used it for a couple other non-rpi devices in the past as well. It is super simple and works on my Mac. I haven’t even looked at other utilities in years.
Also a Raspi Imager fan when I have Pis around since I usually have it installed anyway.
I would use dd, but I always worry I’ll bungle something and only use it when necessary. I’m trying to write a utility called Rubber Duck Disk Dump that takes all the same options but parses your command beforehand to try to guess what you’re doing and warn you if it is really, really stupid, and if you type yes, it then passes all args straight to dd.
dd
Lpt: root your Android phone so that you can dd the thing in case the screen breaks.