Apologies if this is a basic question, but I am curious to know what I am missing out on by not having access to private torrents? I have been able to find everything I wanted using public ones.
For me:
- Lifetime of torrents, honestly I rarely have dead torrents on private trackers. Also, most of them send an alert to previous seeders telling them one torrent needs some seeds. So for that it’s WAY better than public.
- Niche contents, I’m into rare movies and some movies are only available on private trackers (unfortunately), so yeah, for me no choice. Though I really miss VXT releases on RARBG :(.
Except that… Not much. I think I still would keep my seedbox if I was on public trackers. Private or public, we all have to do our jobs and participate in seeding what we got :)
A private tracker is a torrent website that provides the same functionality as a public tracker but is invite-only. This means you need to be a member to view the contents of the site and download its torrents. A tracker can either be semiprivate, where you can create an account for free by just registering your details, or fully private, where another user has to invite you. Within a tracker, there is usually an extensive set of rules covering how much one can download, what kind of content one can upload, what precautions one must take when logging into the site, etc. Such rules and content vary from tracker to tracker, and go from rather liberal with little enforcement to ultra-paranoid and autistic. Advantages of private trackers include:
- Speed: If you’re familiar with torrents, you probably know that the bigger the swarm, the faster you download. Private trackers encourage their members to seed torrents for as long as possible, thus increasing the chances of a torrent having a healthy swarm for longer. Not only that, but many members use seedboxes, which are just servers based in data centers, offering very high speeds and excellent peering. Enough to max out anyone’s home connection.
- Retention: Similarly, private trackers usually enforce rules that encourage long-term seeding. A few peers on private trackers will seed many torrents for obscure content that you wouldn’t normally find any peers for on ThePirateBay or KAT.
- Selection: Some content simply isn’t available on any public site and will only be found on private trackers. Sometimes you can’t even legally buy it at all, ironically. Some trackers specialize in obscure or rare content, ensuring that it doesn’t get lost from the Internet.
- Quality control: A major asset of private trackers, albeit one that can vary a lot across trackers. Good private trackers have stringent rules on the content format, quality, and organization. Music trackers will ensure you don’t get horrible 92kbps transcodes; movie trackers will ensure you only get good encodes, ebook trackers will ensure you get retail quality, etc. Members and staff review and approve each torrent. Trumping rules and the removal of duplicates ensure you only get one, community-approved source for the specific content and format. This, coupled with a decent site layout, makes private trackers much more orderly than public ones.
- Security: There are two reasons private trackers are more secure, albeit they may not apply in the future. The first one is that most of them are obscure enough that no one really knows or cares about them (security through obscurity). The second one is that copyright trolls would rather focus on huge public sites that are easy to fish for peers rather than small communities that are hard to join. From a monetary point of view, it’s more worthwhile to stop 10,000 casuals from downloading two torrents than to stop two neckbeards from downloading 10,000 torrents. There are some caveats to this though, copyright trolls will aggressively pursue the source of leaked pre-release media, such as screeners. As a result, many private trackers do not allow this content. Fortunately, leaked screeners are generally very popular and will be easily found on public trackers anyway. Large prolific piracy groups such as scene or well-known release groups are huge targets for copyright enforcement.
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- they are properly moderated so no fake torrents or malware (and anyone trying to upload those is immediately banned)
- many have rules about formats, nfo files - another guarantee that your file is what it says it is
- duplicates are not usually allowed - eg if an album already exists in FLAC format, you can’t upload another one
- ratio requirements mean people almost always seed, and many use seed boxes which means speed is much faster. Movies download to my seed box in a couple of seconds typically.
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Only benefits for me are that they have faster download speeds and that I don’t need a VPN.
Content you may not be able to find elsewhere (for example, MySpleen has tons of old discontinued/out of print content), as well as you aren’t going to find copyright holders in private tracker swarms monitoring for IP’s to have infringement notices sent to.
Downside: If you don’t like seeding, you get to fuck yourself and get used to liking seeding or you lose your account.
If you are able to get all the content you need from public trackers and you don’t worry about copyright agancies tracking you than there’s no reason for you at all to bother with private trackers.
I agree and went with the same route. One thing that private trackers may offer is the forum or the discussion board and plenty of user generated content
The main benefits of private trackers are:
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Download speed. Many users of these trackers will use seedboxes to build ratio. This generally results in a faster download speed for peers.
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Security. Many (but not all) private trackers have strict entry barriers, such as invite only or application based signups. This keeps copyright trolls out of their swarms, which eliminates the need for a vpn or other method of masking your identity. Depending on where you live this can range from a nicety to a necessity.
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Longevity. Torrents generally live longer on private trackers.
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Community. Some private trackers have a forum or IRC channel where you can interact with other community members.
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Availability. Many private trackers will have a wider range of releases of a single media.
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Quality. You will generally find higer quality releases on private trackers. That’s not to say that high quality releases don’t make it to public trackers, some do and some don’t.
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Faster releases. Releases will typically come to private trackers first. Many torrents originate on these trackers or come from scene groups and trickle down.
If you’re finding everything you want on public trackers then you probably aren’t missing anything. You could test the waters on TL or something next time they open.
Chat gpt wrote this.
i’m not entirely sure if it is but i’m inclined to agree with you, it’s almost verbatim to chatgpt 3.0’s writing style
I wrote it lol. Fuck do I really sound that much like a bot?
As a non-AI Learning Model, I cannot conclude one way or the other with any certainty. What I can say is that ChatGPT responses tend to follow a similar pattern:
- Consistent and clear responses: ChatGPT will often respond to prompts with very readable, well-formatted bulleted lists
- Socratic reasoning: Items in those lists will have a logical structure from beginning to end
Finally, ChatGPT responses tend to end those lists with a summarizing statement that restates the previous ideas - that ChatGPT will often respond in lists, use a formal and logical writing style, and end with a concise summary of the previous statements.
Fuck, apparently I write like ChatGPT. I didn’t think anything was off about the original comment because I write in a very similar way. Information is always structured under headers or in bulleted lists.
A more charitable interpretation is that the text that people thought would best train ChatGPT tended to be thoughtful and well-written posts like yours. Maybe you don’t write like ChatGPT, but ChatGPT writes like you.
Aw thats such asweet sentiment
Basically ChatGPT is very good at conveying information in an easy to read and helpful way. Unlike most people on the internet.
As we consume more “AI” generated content, I think us humans are going to write and talk similar to an AI generated style in future
It’s too bad I already wrote like that before ChatGPT was public. For fun I put in an essay of mine from a couple of years back into a detector that told me parts were generated by AI ☠️
If you did write it, my apologies then. Take my comment as a compliment
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only benefit I gained was a forum board to discuss and also that there were lots of seeders even for very obscure stuff
Some private trackers are shady. Even if you seed, they might undercount your contribution and ask for money. If that happens, it’s a scam, just walk away.
Public trackers’ public nature means they’re more likely to result in your activity being seen / tracked by entities you don’t want it tracked by, for one. Ever gotten one of those letters from your ISP warning you not to download pirated shit? My understanding is that that’s usually the result of using an insecure tracker.
I was using different private trackers but in the end dropped them and went back to public ones. One thing that private trackers may offer is the forum or the discussion board and plenty of user generated content. But in general there are many negative points:
- the drama: lots of users feel entitled and there is a very negative attitude towards newcomers
- less security: there was a time when an italian private tracker was caught and ended up giving the name and data of few active users. I don’t buy that you have to use a legit email and no vpn.
- you have to pay for a seedbox and always track your ratio: I seed forever most stuff (4k+ torrents) but I don’t want this to become a time sink
Skip the drama, just download and seed the torrents
What was the italian tracker?
I am having troubles recalling the name right now. It was many years ago. I remember it was famous for having english subbed movies with italian subtitles, most of the time weeks before the title landed in the cinemas
Counterpoint to these is that you don’t have to participate in the drama, many allow you to use a VPN, and seedboxes aren’t mandatory and you can just as easily permaseed to build ratio (via bonus points). What you say is true of some trackers but not with any that I’ve joined.
Private torrents are faster and safer. The downside is you typically have to maintain an upload ratio, which can be very hard to achieve without a seedbox.
The downside is you typically have to maintain an upload ratio, which can be very hard to achieve without a seedbox.
That’s not a downside - the whole point is to promote seeding. Rent a seedbox for £5 a month and fill it with freeleech torrents and let it seed before you dive into downloading and you should easily be able to build a healthy ratio.
That’s not just downside, that’s two downsides - first is paying for seedbox, second is ever bothering with building ratio with freeleech torrents (meaning downloading stuff you don’t need) 😉
The seedbox is well worth the investment. For the same price as some VPNs you have total protection from copyright trolls, and usually the option to use it as VPN anyway. As for downloading stuff you don’t want - it doesn’t matter - it’s seeding for someone else. Just leave it on your seedbox and forget about it.
So choose if those downsides outweigh the upsides.
