Alt text: A line plot with 2 axis (confidence vs competence) referencing the Dunning-Kruger effect with various distro logos placed at different points on the line. Starts with mint/ubuntu near (0,0) and progressing through multiple distros to end up with opensuse/fedora at what it calls “the plateau of sustainability”
I assume Hannah Montana Linux is off the chart to the right
Hannah Montana Linux, or HM/Linux as I’ve taken to calling it, is the sign of true civilization.
Starting fights today are we?
Gotta dig in early before the pesky Americans wake up
Brother you posted this at the Americans’ lunch time (or second breakfast for the pacific coasters) ?? They were already arguing and here you come with petrol and a lit match
why is manjaro there twice? it’s a horrible experience no one in their right mind would return to
Manjaro is a tempting option when you want Arch without being competent enough to confidently operate Arch.
Been there before. Had it for over a year for the first time, but quickly noped out on the second try.
Look, don’t judge me, but manjaro has been the only distro to just work. I haven’t been fucked by nvidia drivers that I know of, I haven’t had any glaring issues… I’m not saying I disagree with the criticisms, but as a ‘just use the fucking computer’ distro, it’s great.
As someone who ran Manjaro as my first Linux for 1,5 years, it’s a breeze to set up and everything just works…until it doesn’t.
What screws it is that eventually, over time, something goes wrong. Something breaks here and there, new bugs appear, and without Arch proficiency that is not really expected of a Manjaro user, it’s next to impossible to track it down. So, eventually one has to reinstall.
I’ve been a strong Manjaro proponent back in the day, but now I see its flaws, unfortunately. I wish it could be a great option, though.
Lol, that does make me wonder. I think I changed the boot process from silent to visible at one point, because it wouldn’t boot if the silent option was enabled.
That’s…very odd :D
Especially if it was GRUB. This thing normally just works on any distro, even the less stable ones.
Yeah, it was grub. I changed it to see if I could find where it was hanging in the boot process, but as soon as I made the change it would simply boot without issue.
“Maybe I was the problem?”
“I donated money to them so I am going to use it.”
Although not much, just 20 EUR. Not sure how much the bundled Windows license costs, but surely Microsoft has other ways to earn from spyware.
they managed to make arch less stable, never update their ssl cert, and every installation slowly falls apart until it’s unusable… sure, I’m the problem
My system I installed 10 years ago is unusuable now?
You are, by installing it in the first place.
I love my Manjaro. I always come back to it… but I may not be in my right mind.
To be fair, it’s OK. Just you might want to check out EndeavourOS when you need to format your PC again.
I have both and I like them almost equally.
I think I’ve seen this story before. :P
I love that !
Fedora is also there twice.
Except Fedora is actually fine as an option. Though I had my share of troubles setting it up, and their decision to ditch X11 forced my hand to OpenSUSE when I went for it the second time. Had no regrets so far.
This is perfectly normal.
It also works with a Gaussian: (Noob) haha Fedora go brrr -> (angry advanced) nooo you must use Arch/Nix/Gentoo/Slackware -> (Linus Torvalds) haha Fedora go brrr
Mint, and I’ll stay with mint. Perhaps I’m not a good Linux user material, but I just want something that works and doesn’t get into the way. You know: a reliable, unobtrusive operating system.
Mint is just perfectly fine, don’t listen to the naysayers.
As the old observation goes, novices use something like Mint because it’s there, and it works; intermediate users use something like Arch because they want the control to tweak things in the greatest depths; experts use something like Mint because it’s there, and it works.
Which is exactly what OpenSUSE/Fedora have to offer. It just works and doesn’t get in the way. The only real difference between them and Mint in terms of user experience is that they require some more proficiency with the terminal and experience with Linux overall and do not assume user to be a complete newbie.
So, you’re on the right track with Mint. It holds to nearly the same philosophy, and offers you the tools you may find useful as a less proficient user. Keep it up!
And there’s no shame in that! Use whatever works for you and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.
There is SO MUCH shame in that, the pitiful noob wont even learn to RTFM, and then I’ll have no way to feel superior to them as I dip my beard into my off brand morning cereal #frostedfakes
I went from Ubuntu to Mint to Debian and, now, Guix; so…I dunno.
I want to see a graph where X ranges from “ambitious” to “I’m so tired”, and Mint is at the end. That’s where I’m at.
I use opensuse tumbleweed
There are several of us!!
I chose Tumbleweed for my first desktop Linux install a couple of months ago. Only had some minor issues so far (like missing codecs).
Although I recently tried to build a Kwin plugin, and even though I figured out the build dependencies, it didn’t show up as expected, not sure what’s going on there.
Tumbleweed might be a bit of a hard start, since it assumes you already know a bunch of nuances. But I’m happy that you were ready to learn and grasped it from the get-go!
Hope you’ll have your software figured out
Meh, I’m relatively experienced and just use Ubuntu
That’s because you use your computer and it’s not part of your personality. I’m reasonably well versed in Linux and I’ve used Pop for years.
That’s because you use your computer and it’s not part of your personality. I’m reasonably well versed in Linux and I’ve used Pop for years.
OpenSUSE :)
Can confirm been through it all, except I took a rough start with Manjaro, then straight to Fedora, then all according to the graph. Just this year ditched Endeavour and Debian in favor of OpenSUSE - loving it so far!
Arch had been rock solid for me since 2012…
Arch broke for me quite fast any time I tried to run it. I have no idea how to manage Arch properly without being a red-eyed nerd constantly checking forums for broken updates and other notes.
Debian. Anything to the right is lies.
I appreciate Debian being the community distro, but other than that, how’s it much better?
After a while, you start to realize Ubuntu (or insert any Debian-based distro) is great because of it’s wide usage, and it mostly just works.
But then, you realize Snaps slow things down, or some other piece is annoying. Most of the time, these are things added on top of Debian.
So then you realize you can just run Debian, and pick and choose the parts you want from other distros.
Fair!
Especially as a server software.
Fedora on laptop, NixOS everywhere else, don’t really feel enlightened
Same. I run Fedora on my desktop and laptop and Nix on my servers (except one that’s still using Ubuntu and I keep putting off migrating it but it’ll happen eventually)
What is nix and why is that your server choice? I am running parrotos but I just want to use it as a media server and maybe game rarely
NixOS is a different approach to package management. Instead of installing packages using a package manager, you edit nix files (written in the nix language). Instead of changing individual config files for the programs and services you install (e.g nginx.conf or postfix.conf, each having a different syntax), you configure them using nix configuration files with a unified syntax.
There is a catch: your system becomes immutable and fully reproducible. Clone the file tree under /etc/nix from one system to another, apply it, and they become identical.
The configuration files are written in a functional language that allows you to customise your system as much as you like.
Read more about it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NixOS
Edit: I actually use Nix on Fedora (you can install it on other distros without fully migrating!), and I use home-manager to manage my user environment and dot files. It’s pretty cozy.
Edit 2: and to answer the second question, I use it on my servers because it has comparable stability to Debian-likes while also being super convenient to use. A unified approach to server configuration is a win for me.
The Fedora propaganda is getting annoying.
Why does nobody include Artix in þese?
i’m on NixOS
…and I’ve been on NixOS for mount stupid, valley of despair and, perhaps, the plateau of sustainability
Truely don’t understand how this one became popular. But I’m sure it will fade like Crunchbang or a dozen others before it.
NixOS came out in 2003, crunchbang came out in 2008. As someone who swapped to NixOS after reaching the “plateau of stability” and realizing I needed more power, while the distro is a clusterfuck that shouldn’t be as popular as it is. It has some very clear and defined use cases, so I don’t see it dying any time soon.
It’s the most unique distro to date, and has all the strengths the others. Because it’s not a tool for building distros, and NixOS is just the posterboy.
Agreed, NixOS is all states in once all along. Don’t look inside the box to maintain incertitude.
