I’ve been trying Lemmy for a little while and wasn’t sure how to feel about it.
Today, I wanted to start blocking the most high-censorship instances until I could find a fully zero-censorship instance and simply block all the ones with censorship. Filter bots, not people.
When I looked into it further, I found out there are no zero-censorship instances, because Lemmy relies on a broken “federation” system where each instance is supposed to be able to fetch posts from other instances, but it’s never been finished to reach a fully working state. Lemmy’s official docs say you can’t even do federation over Tor at all. This means it uses DNS, so it won’t actually allow Lemmy instances to fetch posts from each other freely, it just gets blocked instantly and easily, every time the authorities feel like blocking anything.
So you can only ever have the “average joe lemmy” and “average joe reddit” with everything approved by the authorities, and then “tor copies of lemmy” and “tor copies of reddit” where you have free speech but you can only reach other nerds.
People seem to think Lemmy is different because this weird censorship fetish is extremely popular and most of you are happy to see bans happen to certain people, not just bots, so a small Lemmy that censors certain people feels fundamentally different from a big reddit that censors more people. But it’s the exact same thing, it’s reddit.
When reddit was smaller, you could say basically anything you wanted there, they just wouldn’t let it reach the main audience. Then it got too big, and any tiny part of the audience you could reach would be too big, so they won’t let you talk at all.
Lemmy is now the small part of reddit where you can say whatever you want, separated from the main audience, until too much growth happens and you have to move again.
It’s not actually a solution to reddit. It’s not designed to be different, it’s designed to match the past today and then match reddit’s present tomorrow, while being part of a system that’s about the same in past, present, and future.
Last year, this year, and next year, you’re posting somewhere it won’t be seen by many people, and the system that charges people for ambulance rides is getting another year of ambulance ride revenue, facing no organized resistance. There’s no difference here.
Lemmy urgently needs federation between onion service instances and DNS addresses in order to actually do what most users seem to wish it would do: allow discussion outside what the corporate authorities allow, while outgrowing reddit & helping undo the damage social media has done to human communication.
Edit - I was banned from my instance, and before being unbanned, some of my comments seem to have been removed. I apologize if I hurt anyone’s feelings, but it seems pointless to try to discuss this topic here. I’ll give a few more replies, and then suggest any further responses be directed to me on nostr, where there are no bans. I’ve also had a good time posting on PieFed while I was banned, so I’ll probably keep spending time there. If anyone’s curious, I had a thread about this topic on PieFed too. Btw, instead of the misplaced focus on bots, I should have said filter spam, not people earlier in this post.
Great post. All of your downvotes prove you were exactly right! It’s crazy that a place like Lemmy, which likes to complain about censorship in mainstream media, loves censorship so much.
Lemmy does not like differing views or opinions. They love to censor that shit out.
So you want to censor 99% of speech, leaving only people who agree with you on only hearing speech from people that post in your mkni community? I feel like that’s counter-productive.
Sometimes people say Lemmy.ml is “high censorship,” but I’ve never been censored here. People sort themselves into instances that generally align with what they want to post and comment, it isn’t that there are censorship regimes going on.
As for Lemmy “failing,” it already does what it needs to do, it provides a good platform. Reddit went downhill because of the profit motive, Lemmy doesn’t have that.
If 99% of speech comes from people who are against free speech, I want to let 99% of people censor themselves by posting in censored communities while I stay in a free speech zone.
You can phrase that as me wanting to “censor them from my own feed” as long as you recognize the caveat that, unlike them, I give them the option to deactivate my censorship of them any time, all they have to do is deactivate their censorship of me.
Was it in good faith that you just made me explain this, or were you only pretending not to understand me?
But I can say whatever I would want to say here, I’m not censoring myself. People sort themselves into places where they can already say whatever they would want to. I understand your point, I just don’t think it’s actually an issue because people post on instances where they can say what they want already.
If Lemmy doesn’t allow federation over Tor, you are potentially helping censor both of us by posting here, unless your posts aren’t made with goals like making ambulance rides free, in which case you’re just helping censor me & other honest people, not yourself (who might be fine with “only reaching nerds” when posting here).
That may become a problem down the line, but it doesn’t seem to be one yet.
I explained exactly how it is a yesterday, today, and tomorrow problem, not a waiting-to-come-tomorrow problem.
Last year, this year, and next year, you’re posting somewhere it won’t be seen by many people, and the system that charges people for ambulance rides is getting another year of ambulance ride revenue, facing no organized resistance. There’s no difference here.
Is it in good faith that you make me copy and paste myself?
I can agree that TOR functionality would be useful, I can’t agree that it’s necessary at the present moment.
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Then where is a zero-censorship instance for me to use?
I wanted to start blocking the most high-censorship instances until I could find a fully zero-censorship instance and simply block all the ones with censorship. […] I found out there are no zero-censorship instances
Unless you’re using a zero-censorship instance it likely will block zero-censorship instances. So it’s not a surprise you couldn’t find one.
Lemmy relies on a broken “federation” system where each instance is supposed to be able to fetch posts from other instances, but it’s never been finished to reach a fully working state.
You need to define “fully working state”.
Lemmy’s official docs say you can’t even do federation over Tor at all. This means it uses DNS
Not necessarily. It could be possible to use standard IP addresses directly instead of domain names. In fact odds are good that would work already.
So you can only ever have the “average joe lemmy” and “average joe reddit” with everything approved by the authorities, and then “tor copies of lemmy” and “tor copies of reddit” where you have free speech but you can only reach other nerds.
That’s overly simplistic. Under a substantially sensorial authority the “average joe” would out of necessity, become such a nerd.
People seem to think Lemmy is different because this weird censorship fetish is extremely popular and most of you are happy to see bans happen to certain people, not just bots, so a small Lemmy that censors certain people feels fundamentally different from a big reddit that censors more people. But it’s the exact same thing, it’s reddit.
It’s not Reddit. The difference is, democratic censorship vs corporate censorship. Reddit users have no real power over what gets censored or not. On Lemmy they do. If your instance censors something you want to see, there’s little friction in moving to another one.
That’s a big difference.
Unless you think people are owed reach and exposure to a broad platform. In that case yes all censorship is suppressing your right to be heard by everyone in the world.To be clear you don’t have that right.
It’s not actually a solution to reddit. It’s not designed to be different
Censorship isn’t the only way to differentiate from Reddit. Lemmy is also different in countless other ways; Algorithms and advertising to begin with. It’s myopic and supremely egotistical to think your one idea is the only difference that matters.
You need to define “fully working state”.
Since the context was a tool designed to improve reddit’s model by giving clones the ability to “federate” with each other, I guess a “fully working state” would be one where improvement from the reddit model cannot be furthered by adding more ability for clones to “federate” with each other.
Not necessarily. It could be possible to use standard IP addresses directly instead of domain names. In fact odds are good that would work already.
Is this a gish gallop, or do you think IP addresses are like Onion addresses instead of DNS?
That’s overly simplistic. Under a substantially sensorial authority the “average joe” would out of necessity, become such a nerd.
That’s what I’m hoping, yes. There’s also the risk that the planet is just going extinct instead. You can’t just wish for the best and take it for granted. Freedom isn’t free.
It’s not Reddit. The difference is, democratic censorship vs corporate censorship. Reddit users have no real power over what gets censored or not. On Lemmy they do. If your instance censors something you want to see, there’s little friction in moving to another one.
If Lemmy users aren’t using Tor, then they aren’t coordinating to take any authority away from the corporations.
I don’t know how many times you people are going to make me repeat this.
First you were on a small corner of reddit, which was a small corner of the internet, which was a small corner of the screens.
Then the internet got bigger, and reddit got bigger, and now Lemmy is that size corner.
Then Lemmy will either stay this size, or fragment again when it gets bigger.
Without Tor, there’s zero difference.
That’s a big difference.
Nope.
Unless you think people are owed reach and exposure to a broad platform. In that case yes all censorship is suppressing your right to be heard by everyone in the world.
To be clear you don’t have that right.
Again, not making sense, just trying to reframe things in a way where you can insult me.
Censorship isn’t the only way to differentiate from Reddit. Lemmy is also different in countless other ways; Algorithms and advertising to begin with. It’s myopic and supremely egotistical to think your one idea is the only difference that matters.
Incorrect. I’m not the one being egotistical and, depending what “myopic” means, probably not that either. I am focusing on what matters, you are not.
That’s not what a Gish Gallop is.
A rhetorical technique in which a dishonest speaker lists a string of falsehoods or misleading items so that their opponent will be unable to counter each one and still be able to make their own counterpoints.
Myopic
Definition 3: Narrow-mindedAlso you aren’t really connecting the dots well as to how Lemmy can be censored by corporate authorities, or what specifically those are. Explaining those may help your case. Size also, it’s not clear how that really matters to censorship.
That’s not what a Gish Gallop is.
A rhetorical technique in which a dishonest speaker lists a string of falsehoods or misleading items so that their opponent will be unable to counter each one and still be able to make their own counterpoints.
Not clicking your link, but what you quoted here is what a Gish Gallop is, and what the reply I was replying to is (hence why I brought it up)
What’s not? Like, what were you referring to?
Myopic
Definition 3: Narrow-minded
So, like “egotistical,” I’m not the one being myopic
Also you aren’t really connecting the dots well as to how Lemmy can be censored by corporate authorities, or what specifically those are. Explaining those may help your case.
What dots have I not connected?
These posts have a small audience. I’ve said that.
In the past, this small audience was on reddit. I’ve said that.
This audience isn’t much bigger than it was on reddit. There’s no fundamental difference in how censored you are right now, with Lemmy vs reddit. The authorities have successfully kept your audience about as small as they were successfully able to keep it on reddit. I’ve said that.
In the future, if Lemmy tries to grow this audience using its current design, it can’t really get far past where it was on reddit without the authorities fucking it up by blocking IP addresses and domain names. I’ve said that.
I don’t know what new thing to say to “connect the dots,” you’re just making me repeat myself.
Edit - no reply, 2 downvotes. Community full of mentally ill bullies who waste time with bullshit, and then run out of bullshit to say and just stop replying, without admitting they were wrong in any way.
Instances can be created freely, and are free to both associate and disassociate with other instances as they please.
Each instance decides their comfort with content within their instance and outside it. There are left leaning instances, centrist ones, and I’m sure a few right leaning ones. Some are ban-happy, but many will allow you to post all sorts of content, as long as it’s not too outlandish.
If the content you wish to see/post is wildly outside the overton window, you can join an instance that allows this or create your own. But other instances are under no obligation to federate with content they don’t wish to see.
Instances can be created freely
No. Instances can be created in a restricted and censored way.
and are free to both associate and disassociate with other instances as they please.
I see no proof. Docs say Tor doesn’t work, so you’re restricted by DNS / IP address usage, making it up to the authorities who can federate with who, not each instance’s “owners.”
Each instance decides their comfort with content within their instance and outside it. There are left leaning instances, centrist ones, and I’m sure a few right leaning ones. Some are ban-happy, but many will allow you to post all sorts of content, as long as it’s not too outlandish.
I addressed in my post how this weird censorship fetish is so common, many of you are unable to see what’s happening, because you’re fine with seeing bans happen to certain people, not just bots. It’s like you completely missed this before typing a sentence that ends in “as long as it’s not too outlandish”
If the content you wish to see/post is wildly outside the overton window, you can join an instance that allows this or create your own. But other instances are under no obligation to federate with content they don’t wish to see.
And I’m under no obligation to recommend Lemmy or stop myself from criticizing it for blocking a basic bit of functionality that would stop it from being increasingly useless for me and others like me
Edit - a lot of this is just pointless. Why make me explain that I’m not obligated to recommend Lemmy? Why explain to me that you’re under no obligation to federate with stuff you don’t want to? Who asked?
153·10 days agoyou’re fine with seeing bans happen to certain people, not just bots
Yeah of course
And you’re next.
You can tell you’re all mentally ill by how the context of this reply is someone else wasting my time with paragraphs of bullshit before you admit the real point they were too passive-aggressive to say
And I mean YOU can tell
Deep down, you know this about yourself, because it’s so obvious, that’s my point here
So many nice personal insults from you, I really wonder why you want/need a “no censoring” area… Oh wait, no, I do not and I am happy that people like you are not allowed everywhere.
Didn’t ask. Why do you reply with this, though?
Mods please censor this guy
11 upvotes, no downvotes until I downvoted.
Community full of mentally ill bullies, making me wonder if the mods are the same, or different. Not banned yet, though.
I think/hope it was a joke.
But none that I’d like or find healthy, to be honest.
The no-censorship crowd is funny. “I wanted to block everyone whose admins block someone, in order to find the people whose admins don’t block anyone, so I could talk to the few people I hadn’t blocked because they don’t block people.”
(And that’s ignoring the traditional entitlement in that people somewhere else deciding not to listen to you somehow means you’re censored locally.)
Hypocracy – and conspiracy-level rambling – aside, there’s actually an interesting kernel of commentary here on how we talk about joining and administering Fedi. On the one hand, we say that newcomers shouldn’t worry about which instance to start out on, because every one connects to every other, but on the other we celebrate how the instanced architecture allows admins control over which other instances to connect to. And then you have the deeper issue of the vast majority of the software assuming DNS, so even if admins do want to connect to Tor instances, they can’t feasably do so without a fair bit of host-system tweaking. Yeah, those mixed messages are just the emergent result of which layer of abstraction we’re talking about in any given conversation, but it would be nice if we could find language that doesn’t take literally the opposite tack on each successive layer.
I don’t know how to respond to this comment. Upvoting and leaving a confused reply.
ActivityPub is designed to create platforms that enable customized moderation experiences in order to resist corporate/commercial influence.
ActivityPub also resists government censorship, because a thousand copies get made for every post, one for every federated instance.
If you’re looking for a platform where your personal speech can be forced upon others then ActivityPub is quite literally the opposite of what you’re looking for.
Apparently you ignored my whole post.
Lemmy does not allow “customized moderation experiences” to “resist corporate/commercial influence.” They have to allow corporate/commercial/“government” censorship via IP/DNS blocking, according to Lemmy’s docs. That’s what I explained in my original post.
I never said anything about forcing my speech on others, it’s straight-up mentally ill how you talk like I did.
So you’re just mad it doesn’t work over tor?
I’m annoyed people are wasting my time with replies like this, and I’m also pointing out that Lemmy won’t really be useful until federation works properly, which would currently require Tor.
The purpose, 👏THE.👏PURPOSE.👏of the ActivityPub protocol is to give ultimate moderation power to instance owners (as opposed to a singular, usually corporate, owner).
That is (and I can’t stress this enough) the entire point.
We’ve had disagreements in the past, but I can’t agree with you more in this case. It’s the entire point
Lol, well if we agree on something then you know it’s serious. This guy doesn’t seem to understand that his issue with “Lemmy” is a fundamental one.
Definitely
So if Lemmy is part of that, someone should fix the issue so that it can do that
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You don’t really want zero censorship.
Not sure what you mean. I really want a dev to make a version of Lemmy with Tor federation so we can have a zero-censorship Lemmy cluster. That is definitely true, not false.
The meaning is closer to “it would not be in your best interest, and you could never hold yourself to it” than “you do not desire it in the abstract”
Depending on how literal you are with “let people send ANYTHING over tor 🐒🔨😃🤜🤛😀💰” I’m downright uncomfortable with this whole concept
Incorrect. It would really be in my best interest. I am holding myself to that right now, by reiterating it in this reply.
What are you actually trying to say? What’s your train of thought here? Just cryptic gaslighting, right?
Not that long ago, after the first big exodus from Reddit to Lemmy, there was a group that decided to mess with Lemmy any way they could.
They spent weeks DDoS-ing it and when that failed to get a reaction there were sudden posts of extreme gore and very explicit child pornography across the front page.
Free speech is nice in theory, but for true anarchist style freedom of speech to exist we would have to tolerate the intolerable.
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Free speech is nice in theory, but for true anarchist style freedom of speech to exist we would have to tolerate the intolerable.
No, you would have to stop.
If you think raping and bombing people is tolerable, but showing you pictures of it isn’t, you are intolerable to me - and I am absolutely the one who’s right, in that conflict.
If you think raping and bombing people is worse than showing you pictures of it, stop fucking around with bullshit and try tolerating the tolerable while not tolerating the intolerable.
If most of the human population is into rape and bombing, wipe out most of the human population until the front page is full of better posts, don’t just shield yourself from posts and call it “not tolerating the intolerable”
If it’s only a minority of the human population, outvote them to fill the front page with better posts
Use science and modern technology to make the world a better place instead of trying to deny the science, ruin the technology, and end the world
Fundamentally, just stop being fucking dishonest
I think you need to take your meds.
Weak gaslighting attempt, glowie. I just smoke weed. Stop being fucking dishonest
While we’ve got you on the line, what is the appeal of a platform like Nostril? Is it Bluesky for crypto nonces?
You ignored my questions, but I’ll answer yours before asking again.
You can’t be banned from nostr and you’re not tethered to a single “instance” (and Tor is supported a little better). As for “nostril,” I bet spelling things wrong on purpose goes hard af when you have 62 IQ.
Now, what I asked before:
What were you trying to say before? What was that train of thought? Just cryptic gaslighting, right?
Go ask the wind, my guess is lots of people ignore your hard-hitting interview questions
Again, this must go hard af when you have 62 IQ
i disagree that tor or tor-level anonymity is some magical requirement to defeat corporations.
you speak as if lemmy isnt a bunch of independent instances. maybe step outside the lemmy tree and take a look at the ap forest
I didn’t say anything about anonymity. It’s not convenient for the authorities to block Tor connections, like it is when directly using DNS or IP addresses. The question isn’t anonymity, it’s whether there’s actually a place for everyone to come together and join in discourse, or just a centralized corporate filter system for making sure the “wrong people” are never listened to.
While I agree on the general message, I very much disagree on the “completely free speech part”, for the same reason the paradox of tolerance exists.
That makes no sense. Why would you not be able to tolerate anything without tolerating everything? Or, why would tolerating one thing force you to also tolerate some other unrelated thing? And if that’s what you believe, how do you pull off absolute intolerance in a fair and peaceful way? When it comes to discourse, just don’t let anyone talk? Just have everyone censor whoever they disagree with because that’s “fairness?” It makes absolutely seriously no sense.
I’ve found that the other replies don’t really express my personal take on this, so I’ll go ahead and write mine down.
First of all, and it’s important, people’s take on such topics is heavily dependent on the country they live in. It’s legitimately hard to imagine why you would want to break government rules hard and be a good person if you live somewhere in Norway. And it’s legitimately hard to imagine a world where you really trust your government and think that the current levels of censorship is actually good if you live in a dictatorship country.
With this in mind, a comfortable and universal level of censorship simply doesn’t exist.
I think the lack of Tor support is valid criticism if you’re in a dictatorship. Of course, DNS-based solutions are not good-enough for you. I hope you’ll find something that solves your problems. Unfortunately a simple Lemmy instance is not a solution for you.
Generally, if I’d advise something, I’d suggest to look at what the project actually aims to do, not at what you think it should be doing. E.g. visit https://join-lemmy.org/ and there it says:
Lemmy is a selfhosted social link aggregation and discussion platform. It is completely free and open, and not controlled by any company. This means that there is no advertising, tracking,…
Well, does it sound like a solution made for people in heavily censored environments? To me – not. If you want to present your case and incentivize the Lemmy devs to ADD another perspective or direction to the software that they’re spending time developing, prepare your case and argumentation well. Explain your situation (e.g. “I’ll be hung if I speak freely where I live”, or more relevant, “my country heavily DNS-censors 90% of the good existing Lemmy instances, I’m deprived of good information you have circling here”), propose some solutions or offer help. I don’t know really. It’s up to you. Good luck with your seach
I explained my situation. I want to shift towards a cluster of zero-censorship instances, but I found out they apparently can’t exist because Lemmy blocks Tor (?), so I’m better off just spending less time on Lemmy.
I don’t care that much if devs fix it, I’m just explaining the problem. If it gets fixed, good; if not, the devs who would fix it will do some other good thing; if that’s not enough for the planet to survive, it’s that there aren’t enough good devs, not that they aren’t focused enough on Lemmy. I hope there are enough good devs for the planet to survive, and also for Lemmy to get fixed, though.
Personally my ideal thing would be an instance that does no blocking and the technology allowing me to block in all ways. I would also like to subscribe to others block lists. I also want blocking to be symetric. When I block or someone blocks me we both effectively do not exist to the other. That being said instances need to block to be in compliance with local laws. In addition I totally understand instances that are about something to block instances which are mean to them. Like if its about lgbtq and anothers about how nazism is the way and another is about christiantiy as a loving accepting faith while another is about christianity being about prosprity doctrine.
Agreement:
I’m glad you support an instance that does no blocking, and instead gives you all the tools
Disagreement:
Custom feeds and labels solve basically the same problems as block lists without being anywhere near as harmful
“Symmetric blocking” as you call it, cannot coexist with public discussion, and is not natural or appropriate for a political “town square”
Real laws are rarely localized, so saying “local laws” makes it sound like you think “laws of man” are real
I think that is bs. Blocking imitates what we do in meatspace. Avoid people we don’t like and hang out with people we do. No one would argue with getting toxic individuals in their life but blocking online is creating a bubble. We need to get back to what is natural. No one has a right for people to view their crap and its fine for them to restrict folks from hearing their crap to. custome feeds and labels do not cut it.
You cannot just make people stop being able to hear you or reply to you in a public place.
The average person could not just avoid every political opinion they disagreed with before the TV was widespread.
Stop ignoring stuff willingly.
You sure can. You avoid them. You don’t go to the places they go. The internet piles everyone together and humans can’t handle that scale. People heard other political opinion from more reasonable people who mixed with different groups that happened to intersect at a place. If the asshole showed up they would leave but the other person would not but they might catch up with the other person and hear some relevant things the asshole had to say. Given the asshole is just an asshole because it rubs the first person the wrong way. Its this middle person that enables the flow.
You sure can. You avoid them.
Avoiding people alone does not make them unable to hear you or reply to you in public places. If you meant “avoiding people and not having any public opinions” then maybe, but before TV, that would have kinda fucked up any attempt at political involvement.
You don’t go to the places they go.
Again, does nothing for the “public places” issue unless you also make sure none of your opinions are public, which is a moot point in the context of trying to make ambulances stop costing money.
The internet piles everyone together and humans can’t handle that scale.
Some humans can. I’m one of them, and I’m trying to help others learn to do the same, before Earth goes extinct. It’s quite urgent.
People heard other political opinion from more reasonable people who mixed with different groups that happened to intersect at a place.
People were more reasonable, but they didn’t magically make their birthplaces match locations full of agreeable people, or have the freedom to live wherever they wanted, or even always have opinions shared by any large group of people anywhere.
It’s this middle person that enables the flow.
This middle person has not solved the problem of people using screens to echo chamber themselves, ever since TVs became widespread.
This middle person was more of a factor back when people spent more time in public places, especially in eras where people felt safer discussing politics, like in the US when it was an anti-Nazi country.
I don’t see what you are not getting if I avoid someone and do my speaking away from them. They don’t hear me and I don’t hear them. To some degree echo chambers have always existed. You go to any random bar and it will often have somewhat of similar attitudes amont the patrons but there will still be lively discussion. One reason is some of the patrons also patronize another bar that others don’t but some of the others patronize a bar the first group does not. Anyway I don’t really care if you like blocking or not but I will be on the technology that allows it and you will be on one that does not so the really great thing is eventually it will be like we blocked each other. Even though I am not looking to block you currently even though I could. So I guess im saying your requirements for what you want your space to be will create an echo chamber for you. The federation is an echo chamber that blocks folks that are only on xitter or facebook or reddit but not necessarily completely as their are communities dedicated to postings stuff from those outside sources (which I personally block). Those people reposting from the other sources are that middle person and although I don’t want to hear the stuff they post from these other social media sites I will still hear things from them that are influenced from hanging in those spaces.
eventually it will be like we blocked each other.
Not symmetrically though. You’ll probably still try to have public political opinions, so I’ll probably still be able to read and respond to those, it would just be you that can’t see my responses. Over time, this should drive pretty much everyone into places without symmetric blocking.
To be clear, you seem chill, so I personally do not intend to talk shit behind your back, or anything like that.
The first sentence of this makes the rest of it seem too long to read.
If you want me to read this, could you give me a shorter reply to read first that just addresses something I said quickly and directly?
I think the downvoting of this is showing exactly why Lemmy will fail. Why cant people have a different opinion than most? Why downvote it? You guys love your little bubbles dont you.
I want to also read opinions i dont agree with. It doesnt bother me the slightest.
Downvoting doesn’t stop you from reading the opinion?
Libbest post of the year here.
You come here complaining this doesn’t meet your made-up expectation of 100% uncensored full audience reach. Who ever said that’s what any of this was?
Since you seem to have such a strong opinion of what the world needs, why don’t you go fucking make it if there’s nothing out there that suffices for your grand vision?
Libbest post of the year here.
What?
You come here complaining this doesn’t meet your made-up expectation of 100% uncensored full audience reach. Who ever said that’s what any of this was?
You, just now, right? I don’t see anyone else accusing me of making those complaints or making that shit up, seems like that was just you in the sentence before you asked?
Since you seem to have such a strong opinion of what the world needs, why don’t you go fucking make it if there’s nothing out there that suffices for your grand vision?
I am. Why are you pretending I’m not, when that’s exactly what my profile shows me doing?
Are you suggesting Project Zymogen and all of its follow-ups should be so easy and fast to finish, there shouldn’t even be time for Lemmy to develop? I don’t think that’s what you’re suggesting, because that would be extremely fucking insane, but it seems the alternative is that you’re just making shit up about me based on nothing and you don’t even know what Project Zymogen is, which would be about the same amount insane.
I have no idea what that is and it sounds like you just pulled it out of your ass, but good job. You’re not going to convince anybody here to join your hellhole though. That’s not what lemmy is about.
I have no idea what that is and it sounds like you just pulled it out of your ass, but good job.
I’d thank you if you actually understood what you’re saying, at all. But there’s not one iota of sincerity or comprehension in those words.
You’re not going to convince anybody here to join your hellhole though.
That depends whether I have a hellhole, but I probably won’t have one, indeed. Kinda random though - why’d you bring it up?
That’s not what lemmy is about.
So again, why bring it up, but also why add this part?
are you terminally online?
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What do you mean?
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I asked why you brought up whether I’d try to convince people to join a hellhole
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I asked why you added “that’s not what lemmy is about” to your own topic
yeah ok, anyway, have fun with your zygote project and censorship free whatever
Strange how there are people calling for me to be banned, but not you, while you’re trolling to waste my time, while I’m trying to organize resistance.
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