i am not looking to manipulate or convince anybody, just something informative in general, like “this is the bigtech world, this is the open source / selfhosted world.” any good knowledge bases, blogs, youtube channels and alike that you would recommend? the less technical, the better. it’s not about “how to install this and that” but rather “what do i need this and that for, what are the advantes and what are the downsides”. also, are there resources like that in your language (if you or your people are not english native speakers)?

also very interested in anything else you have to share regarding your personal selfhosting experience and how it may or may not affect those around you.

i’ll start: in my own experience, there are so many other things going on in people’s life, that i understand are far more important than whether their todo list is stored on their own disk or in some other part of the world. especially in the beginning, going open source / selfhosted does often feel like losing comfort, only to be left with more to take care about in return. so getting started as a non-technical person seems incredibly difficult. another thing that comes to mind is, yes i could do the selfhosting for related people and friends, and yes they would trust me with some of their data – but no i don’t want that. not because i am not willing to help, but i honestly don’t want to have access to their data, it just doesn’t feel correct.

thanks for your inputs and have a nice weekend!

  • sem@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    44·
    4 months ago

    It’s like Dropbox but instead of the cloud, it’s at my house. Less expensive that way.

    • dotslashme@infosec.pubEnglish
      12·
      4 months ago

      This is the same strategy I use with my family as well, I refer to a service they know and then tell them it’s in our house.

  • it_depends_man@lemmy.worldEnglish
    23·
    4 months ago

    You know [Burger chain]? Self hosting is making your own burger. Kinda similar ingredients, kinda looking product overall, it’s still a burger.

    But you’re in control.

    • bobs_monkey@lemmy.zipEnglish
      2·
      4 months ago

      I liken it to hiring a plumber/electrician/carpenter vs figuring it out myself. Instead of using a website on someone else’s computer, I use websites on my own computer.

      • yyprum@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        3·
        4 months ago

        That is actually an important distinction, with the burger example you only get the “do it myself” part and some people will say “meh I can deal not getting home made burger”.

        Hiring an electrician though for example. You let someone in your house. Without self hosting is like having an electrician constantly knowing what you do with the electricity, like he never leaves the house.

  • Seefra 1@lemmy.zipEnglish
    18·
    4 months ago

    Just tell them “I own my own private cloud” and then look smug.

    Then I may tell them “this way the CIA (don’t say NSA, older people usually don’t know what NSA is, but they know CIA) or those capitalist companies can’t spy on me”

    And I don’t find a need to go into more detail, at this point the conversation has either moved on or they say “but I have nothing to hide” and move on anyway.

  • undefinedTruth@lemmy.zipEnglish
    14·
    4 months ago

    Do you remember that time Netflix removed [insert series title]? I basically have my own private version of Netflix. That way nobody can take my favorite series away from me without warning.

  • illusionist@lemmy.zipEnglish
    14·
    4 months ago

    I’ve got 1TB pictures and videos. I can either pay google a shitload of money and fear that they delte my stuff. Or I can self host immich for a fraction of the cost for electricity and a donation.

    • Lyra_Lycan@lemmy.blahaj.zoneBannedEnglish
      3·
      4 months ago

      This. Why pay £6/m when, with self-hosting a Samba/NFS/NextCloud instance, I pay a fraction of the corporate cost.

      Currently I’m paying ~£15/m as my server now has a GPU for better streaming and local assistant purposes. It uses ~80W. Without the GPU I was paying ~£4.50/m, which gets me:

      • Network-wide traffic protection, ads, spam etc.
      • Hub to remotely control, secure and automate my home
      • Cloud media, frequently synced between devices
      • CCTV
      • Password management
      • Email
      • Notekeeping
      • Instant messaging
      • Streaming for locally stored movies, shows, music, podcasts, books, audio books and YouTube subscriptions
      • Multiplayer Minecraft server
      • Website/blogsite
      • Remote desktop access
      • Group video calling/presentation hosting
      • 54TB shared storage between everything
      • Network-attached storage

      Imagine the cost of outsourcing all these services for unlimited access, unlimited* storage, unlimited e-mailboxes, and complete independence** from outside influence. I know I’d be paying £8/m to Google for their 2TB media storage plan alone.

      *Limited by the drives you can afford
      **Relying only on the developers of the software
      It cost approx. £200 for the base parts, £200 for the GPU and £900 for the hard drives. A valuable investment.

      I’ve worked out that I’ve had the server running for 3 years. If I take into account the money I have saved by not paying Google £8/m, I’ve saved £40/year. If I account for Netflix £25/m, I’ve completely covered the £900 I spent on storage. Disney+ £15/m takes me well over the remaining hardware costs. The media I own is far less than that offered by streamers but it’s everything I can need for the next 20 years+. I’ve counted. Every other service is just a bonus.

  • notfromhere@lemmy.mlEnglish
    7·
    4 months ago

    “You pay for how many streaming services??? You could start building a decent DVD/BRD collection that you own forever.”

    “Yea but I hate swapping disks and I watch on my phone.”

    “Gather around, let me tell you the story of a fin made of jelly.”

  • Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyzEnglish
    3·
    4 months ago

    Like a cab, but it’s your car and you take care of everything.

    If you need a car only once a year when going to the airport, a cab will be cheaper. If you need to go somewhere at least once a week, driving your own car will be cheaper. Likewise, if you need only a little bit of cloud storage for your photos, free iCloud or Google Drive might be fine. If you need a whole lot of storage, self-hosting becomes cheaper.

    When you take a cab, do you need to worry about maintenance, gasoline, insurance, or other things? No. The same goes for cloud storage. When you throw your photos on Google Drive, you don’t need to worry about electricity bills, security updates, or hardware maintenance.

    When you drive your own car, you need to be a responsible driver and a car owner. Maintenance is your responsibility. Likewise, self-hosting means you need to be a responsible server admin.

  • Willdrick@lemmy.worldEnglish
    3·
    4 months ago

    I normally tell it straight from why I got interested on it: “I like my stuff being mine”

  • FishFace@piefed.socialEnglish
    3·
    4 months ago

    That sounds like a level of detail it is not necessarily useful to go into with most people. I never experienced anyone non-technical complaining about cloud products, so it would just be proselytising about what to me is a hobby/passion project.

    (Not that I’m big into self hosting, but to the extent I am)

  • Iced Raktajino@startrek.websiteEnglish
    3·
    4 months ago

    “Does it piss you off when Google/whatever does [blank]? Yeah, me too. So I run my own versions to not have to deal with that crap. Would you like me to set you up an account on my stuff?”