Halfway through he describes this as malicious compliance with the “right to repair” law. Apple and others are making a mockery of the law.
I guess that’s one way to make people give up cars in favor of public transportation.
You must not be american. It is literally not an option here.
Please accept my most sincere condolences.
Ive always wondered how do y’all get stuff back and forth from stores? Like heavy things or items that are needed in bulk.
Here the only way to get stuff yourself is with the car or ordering online, it isn’t normal to ship basic items also with things like doordash that is becoming mor normal if buying wood to make home repairs there is no shipping it to houses or walking with it.
First, things are a lot more compact here. It takes me five to seven minutes to reach the nearest local supermarket on foot. That makes it a lot easier to shop at higher frequency but lower load - good exercise too. Of course, that won’t work for larger or special items. For larger loads, locally in Denmark, we’ve got these wonderful things. Obviously, nobody’s going to transport a new fridge or a 1-tonne pallet of wood briquettes on one of those. For that sort of thing, almost all retailers of such things do delivery. It’s more efficient. Instead of everybody having to own their own trucks that are used (relatively) infrequently, stores or manufacturers either independently maintain vehicles that are in constant use or out-source that service to companies specializing in handling logistics. It uses less resources for one company to handle maintenance of say, five vehicles servicing the needs of a hundred customers than for all those 100 customers to all have to own their own vehicles with the same capacity.
Hmm that’s interesting, its like, we have all those things too but they just aren’t for consumers, like the vehicle delivery stuff here is a thing but its not widely used and is typically for special occasions.
Some places are compact enough to be walkable for most things, usually in big cities but sometimes in suburbs we will have a shopping center of some sort that has all the basic needs really close but very rare for it to be in a suburb and reasonably walkable but still technically walkable. Kinds funny because I’m thinking about how perspective change a lot here, I know Columbia isn’t in the us but I’ve seen some people migrate to Columbia and basically you just walk miles to get toyour things and occasionally order online but more often people have a address somewhere else and you just pick up your things yearly in some way and cars and bikes exist over there but basically only for traveling for vacation or something of the sort far away.
I’ve literally never seen something like that wheely car box before lol, that does seem pretty fun.
Just today actually I got in our truck to bring home a washer since ours broke yesterday, its actually kinda hit or miss if someone has access to a truck or van I think here people just mostly don’t do things themselves and they just have companies fix stuff for them so a lot of us lazy Americans don’t even really need big cars and if they also worked from home they may not even need a car at all if biking and ubering can get a few things, for the longest time we would borrow my grandpas truck occasionally but now my brother and my dad have trucks.
My brother has a super beefy truck meant for hauling things and we definitely HAUL lol we use his dump trailer so often for things now its hard to image not having it, just today I helped load it up with leaves and he dumped it at the dump, we used it to move furniture from my grandmas house across states because it would have cost stupid amounts of money to pay for this service, we use it to dump our own messes and other peoples messes too and if we didn’t we would just not really have a clear avenue for getting rid of them because its big stuff that can’t be put in trash and paying for a service to do it costs money which feels like it shouldn’t but does, we can also load up the dump trailer with things to build our deck and we happen to live unusually close to a store that basically has all the things for anything basically so we just drive like 10 minutes and get all the things for projects and usually have to make multiple of these trips per project because nothing ever goes smoothly.
I guess it really just depends a lot, countryside is basically more like columbia and city is more like, well, we know cities lol and then there is steps in between depending on a city being more or less happening.
Those bicycles (called ‘ladcycler’) are remarkably useful. People use them for all sorts of things, including transporting their kids to and from kindergarten etc. I’ve never tried it myself, but the kids always look like they’re having a blast.
The thing is, everything - including supermarkets - tends to be smaller here, but also dotted everywhere. I’ve got like three different places for daily grocery shopping within easy walking distance (ten minutes each way), and I’m sort of in the suburbs.
When it comes to trash, public sanitation services are rather effective here. Trash is sorted into paper/cardboard, glass, plastic, organic waste and other. All of them are routinely picked up on different schedules. The first three are recycled, organic waste is either composted or fermented for biogas production with is then used to heat homes or fuel local public transportation (busses). The last category is burned at high temperatures, with the exhaust heavily filtered and the resulting energy used to provided house heating and / or hot water. There are three more infrequent trash collection cycles: Potentially dangerous materials (chemicals, paint, batteries, e-waste), gardening waste (again, composting or biogas - lots of people with gardens do their own composting too - the containers and worm cultures are provided by the municipality for free) and lastly ‘large trash’. This is stuff like furniture, fridges, washing machines etc. That’s picked up once every month on a specific date. A lot of people recycle or upcycle locally by napping stuff before it’s hauled off (which is legal and encouraged).
All in all, a lot of these things are taken care of by people specializing in it and funded by taxes. We pay more in taxes here, but we also get a lot more services in return.
If people know they’re going to be creating lots of waste of a given type - home improvement or construction - you can have a container delivered and picked back up for a fairly modest fee. Similarly, moving homes is generally handled by dedicated companies in standardized moving crates provided by them. It’s not particularly expensive.
I guess it’s great advice if you live in New York or Disney World. I have a forty minute walk to the nearest bus stop and depending on where I want to go in town and how many transfers it takes, it might take me 2 hours to get somewhere in my mid-side town.
Meanwhile, I can reach anywhere in town in twenty minutes by car, and I can carry $800 of groceries in my trunk. And I don’t freeze my ass off in the snow.
Why would they be American?
Making them unaffordable for the majority by jacking up car insurance prices, seems like a super efficient strategy.
They lock the parking brake behind a paywall on the scanner, so you have to pay a subscription fee. Chrysler has the parking brake service mode on the vehicle for users. VAG, BMW, Nissan, Toyota, GM etc all do it. It just make servicing more expensive for consumers, because the cost all gets passed down.
It is and it isn’t. To use the onboard control to actuate the parking brake, yes, you have to use the paywalled software. But it’s a simple motor. Positive and negative. If you disconnect the connector at the parking brake and use fused jumper leads to a 12v battery, you can cause the actuator to go forward or backwards. Make sure the parking brake isn’t applied before doing anything, disconnect the cars battery, disconnect the p brake connector, jump the terminals once you figure out which polarity causes the retraction. Manually compress the caliper piston, replace the pads (and hopefully the rotors too). Pump the brake pedal as you would normally once everything is replaced, reconnect everything, and you’re good to go. in my experience this doesn’t work on ford but there’s a service procedure that doesn’t use a scanner to force the park brake into service mode. There’s always a way around dumb stuff like this
Me and my 11 year old just changed the rear shocks on my car, 18mm socket and box wrench, 45 minutes of time. I’ll never buy a vehicle with these types of paywalls.
Welcome to the future, you will own nothing and be happy about it.
More up to date info here: https://hackaday.com/2025/11/15/hyundai-paywalls-brake-pad-changes/ You can do it with just a $300 bidirectional scan tool from Harbor Freight.
And the OOP responding about it: https://www.reddit.com/r/Ioniq5N/comments/1ojjp6m/comment/nonp97y/
I’ve been wondering about the costs of actually having a car custom built. I obviously have neither the know-how nor the place to build my own car, but are there some garages where you can just order the parts and have others assemble it for you? I know it would be expensive as fuck, but having a road-safe, road-legal car with no on-board computer (except maybe a rear view camera… something that doesn’t need connectivity) would be worth it. They might need a vehicle Black Box, but many of those only hold data for the last few seconds only in the event of a collision or accident and do not keep geolocation or personal driving data.
And that’s when I switched a while ago from a modern Bentley to an “ancient” mechanical car from a past long forgotten. Every electrical gadget is local, and it just has android auto (dedicated isolated phone just for the car) with a fake google account for navigation. Everyone thinks we’re broke lol, but I’m so fed with this shit. Even a silly backlight went from 5 bucks for a replacement-bulb to 1500 bucks for the whole led-package. Parts alone, add the mechanic and the many hours needed.
Heard that all brands do this shit though. Like even disabling things remotely that are there but you didn’t subscribe to. This is bonkers.
even disabling things remotely that are there but you didn’t subscribe to. This is bonkers.
I don’t understand the consumer outrage about that though. It is like paying to unlock satellite TV reception (even though we are receiving the signals the whole time).
Because, it’s already built into my car, i already paid for the car, the whole transaction is concluded. Paying in hindsight for a part of it, that is already there, is not really justified at all. If they built the car without one, and would have to add it later, then it would make sense. So if it would be more expensive to have my car explicitly built without this feature, why does it suddenly cost money when i decide i want it later?
The signal-broadcast all around everywhere and just YOU paying is simply for the fact they they can’t route them specifically to just YOUR house. It might sound equally unfair but it’s a clear distinction based on technical impossibility.
The right to first sale should mean that the owner owns and controls all services installed in the product. And any DRM in the way of that, or that obstructs the right of repair, should be illegal, and the manufacturer held liable for including it in a product.
Absolutely. But, as usual, we all let it happen, it will happen more, and in the end it’s the total default for everything. Capitalism always wins over ignorance or apathy.
And your vehicle’s features weren’t lock behind a paywall in the pass because of enshitification. You know consumer rights and so on. If Rich people like you like paying then drive your rolls royce and Bentley, there are more poor people like us. Soon I’ll have to pay to masterbate my fucking cock somehow for the cooperate overlords.
Why the attack? I’m against this. I might benefit from capitalism but i must not like it. And I do not. It’s a shitty pyramid-scheme resulting in exactly shit like this. Many brands (that i know of…) do not put physically already existing hardware behind a paywall. Yet. But in the end, they all will do, because people don’t care, or worse: don’t see the implications it does and just accept.
As said, i now drive a pre-enshittification-car with no such shit. Might they still exist somehow in the future.
The best (worst) example I’ve seen in recent memory has been seat warmers. BMW and other manufacturers tried forcing a subscription on people just to use the seat warmers that are (1) already present in the car, (2) already wired up with buttons in place, and (3) cause no additional outlay of effort on the part of the manufacturer once they’re installed. There’s no valid reason to charge a subscription for something like that beyond straight greed.
It is like having a grandstand at a football stadium which costs extra to use. Do you resent that?
Do you resent the satellite TV example I gave earlier?
Satellite TV is a service that requires constant upkeep by the companies which costs money.
And your football stadium is a bad analogy.
You don’t own the stadium, and you don’t own the satellite. So they’re really not the same as a car, which you do (nominally) own.
I resent that the cost to the car company to install seat warmers is the actual installation of the seat warmers. Running them costs ME money in electricity generated by gasoline I bought. It costs them nothing to run them but i have to pay a subscription to use them on top of paying to power them?
The football grandstand continues to cost the owners in maintenance and space that they own. You pay for the privilege of using something that is not yours. I bought my car, I shouldn’t have to continue to pay for the privilege of using something I already own since the equipment is already there and doesn’t require any interaction with a remote service that would make sense to charge for (navigation, satellite radio, etc…)
OK I accept the analogies are not good equivalents.
It is not necessarily true that everyone has already paid for the seat warmer hardware. The car may cost the same as if it didn’t have the hardware installed. Certainly the owners were happy enough with the car price to buy it without seat warming option.
The manufacturer may find it cheaper to just install it for everyone and wear the cost in the hope that enough people will pay for the warmer to be enabled.
Of course it is possible that everyone pays for the hardware anyhow but it is not necessarily the case.
This is such a weird hill to die on for someone who claims to be pro-consumer
You make it sound like football team loyalty.
I am pro-fairness, not pro-consumer. I don’t think the consumers are justified in their entitlement in this case.
I don’t see how you could possibly think it’s okay to sell something to someone while telling them oh but technically you didn’t buy everything inside it, that’s an extra fee.
Come on you can’t be so broken you can’t see a clear scam right in front of you.
It should be illegal and if any of our institutions had teeth it would be.
It’s absolutely nothing like that, my dude. There’s no extra service being provided. The product has been manufactured and purchased. It’d be like buying a drill only to find out that you have to pay a fee to use the drill bits you already own, or buying a block of wood and being told that you have to pay the seller money to use the tools you already own to make it into whatever you’re building.
That is not a good comparison because people don’t buy the car expecting the seats to have the warming feature. It probably is even offered as an option that the customer rejected upon purchase.
When I download software and pay for the basic tier it has the pro features built in anyhow. I can pay to unlock those pro features but I don’t expect to use those features already just because I already have them.
If I go to the football and the crowd is small enough to fit in the grandstand but only those who explicitly paid for it are allowed into the grandstand I don’t complain about my entitlement.
Whether they’re expecting it or not, the hardware is there and there is no additional technical intervention necessary from the manufacturer necessary for it to function. A monthly fee for a button to turn on my seat warmers is idiotic. Your bizarre infatuation with comparing cars to stadiums is also as frustrating as it is nonsensical.
I would prefer you discussed the point rather than trying to bully me into agreeing.
It is quite possible that the current seat warming arrangements are such that it ends up cheaper for those who want it (since it isn’t custom installed physically) and is of no consequence to those who don’t want it.
If it was enabled for everyone the price of the car could conceivably go up for everyone. Admittedly that may not necessarily be how it works out but it is a possibility.
It is like paying to unlock satellite TV reception (even though we are receiving the signals the whole time).
It’s reasonable to charge for this because the value is in copyrighted content and a service that costs the provider money to operate. The same would apply for satellite radio in a car or an internet-based streaming service. It is not reasonable to charge for access to the adaptive suspension or seat warmers that are already in a car a customer bought. That breaks the traditional model of ownership.
An interesting middle ground might be to allow the owner to install arbitrary software on the car, and charge for the OEM adaptive suspension app. I think I would like a world where things work like that; OEMs would whine about security to no end.
I think it should be legal to attempt to decrypt satellite signals without paying; if the satellite service is designed well, it won’t be possible. All the anticircumvention laws should be repealed.
So they chose to go the John Deere way.
This isn’t a new thing. Almost every car that has an electrical park brake advises you to use software to change change out your rear brake pads, as when you release your Electric Park Brake (EPB), the EPB motor doesn’t wind back enough, to give you the space required to install new pads and/or rotors, it only winds back enough to release pressure off the piston pushing the pad, which this has been in production cars since 2001 (some cars have brake maintenance modes which can be activated without software, Mazda first comes to mind with this). This whole Hyundai/Kia deal reminds me of Volkswagen back when they were intoducting proprietary software for vehicle maintenance, which led to a guy getting mad and making his own software that does everything the factory software does for a fraction of the cost and arguably better (Rosstech/VCDS) which I feel will happen soon with Hyundai. But being mad just at just Hyundai for this is the wrong mindsent, almost every car manufacturer does this and for a long time, and needs to stop. Even for dealerships this is horrendous because it uses a always online software that if you live somewhere with bad internet or GPS connection, stops you from even just resetting the service interval, which as usual is explained as being a good thing for “safety reasons” by the manufacturer.
Ah good ol’ fake Honda
It’s weird how many negative Hyundai news you get from the US, it’s almost like they are threatening all the established players in the market.
Meanwhile you barely hear about the toyota engine fuck ups or the fact that they being stolen en masse.
Oh look another Rossman PSA to show us how evil some company is. Also, the sun rose today.
I stopped giving this guy credence after his series of videos on how “dangerous” onewheels are (I now own 2, and…GASP also drive a Hyundai with an EPB). I don’t fault his motivation, but his propensity to assert that edge cases are likely mainstream is just far too much to be taken seriously.
Risks exist. Be informed.
Risks exist. Be informed.
He is revealing the risk, he is informing. He is indignant that it is a risk which is deliberately obscured by the manufacturer. It is not a traditional risk most buyers would expect and the manufacturer is exploiting that.
It is reasonable to expect to DIY your brake pads without this exorbitant price.
Good faith trading vs bad
Lol all this talk if risk mitigation mingled with an assertion that one should DIY one’s brakes, and no mentions of qualifications or safety.
It’s foolproof!
Literally not the point. Companies being predatory, and using literal misinformation, and deception tactics to bend the law and screw up consumers to drive consumption is the point. Good for you being a brainless consumer who is totally fine being cucked by the “rent your hardware” industry, the many of us prefer to actually own our tools.
Lol you do you then. Lingo like “cucked” speaks literal volumes about your character, and… fuckin’ ew.
