• RamRabbit@lemmy.world
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    9 days ago

    It was possible to skip Vista and go straight from XP to 7. You could even use the same PC.

    It was possible to skip 8 and go straight from 7 to 10. You could even use the same PC.

    This time around, Microsoft is forcing Windows 11 as the only option, forcing people to throw away their machines, and it is backfiring on them. People are rejecting it and the competition (Linux) has never been as good as it is today.

    The executive also noted that 500 million PCs don’t meet Windows 11’s system requirements

    So much unnecessary e-waste. I never want to hear about how ‘green’ or ‘sustainable’ Microsoft is again.

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      Apparently some are even opting to reinstall Windows 7 rather than the trash fire that is 11. It seems like 10 was never loved, merely tolerated, and as MS continues to enshittify 10 in an attempt to force people onto 11 some are just going back to the previous good version of Windows.

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      Anyone who asks me about this is getting the “At least try Linux for free first before buying a new computer.

      Another example I have is that my mother-in-law is retired. You think she needs a new computer? Nope! She’s getting Linux before a new computer. The only other option for her would be an iPad since she’s just browsing the web anyway.

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      You could install windows 10 on something designed for windows XP, provided it has enough RAM

      The reason w11 needs a new PC is pure marketing, it doesn’t actually need some specific feature that is present on 8th gen Intel CPUs but not on 7th gen Intel CPUs

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      Very good point. Especially with how broken pricing has been on home computers for years, throwing away your machine for something impossibly expensive is a tough sell to say the least. Especially in this economy. It‘s more feasible to switch to Linux.

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      Oh, I can think of a few reasons.

      You know it’s bad when even I switch to linux. I don’t understand linux. I literally back up my entire hard drive everytime I attempt to do ANYTHING. Because I WILL screw up my whole system to the point it won’t boot. I’ve done it many times over the coarse of the past year.

      Then I gotta spend a whole day waiting for things to restore from backup. And then whatever I WAD trying to do, still isn’t done.

      That has been my experience using linux this past year.

      But Windows 11? No.

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        I think you need Bazzite in your life (or some other immutable distro). But hey, fucking things up and recovering from it is how I learned both Windows and then Linux so there are upsides.

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        That’s how you level up in Linux. You break things, learn what you did wrong and do better next time. Linux won’t hold your hand, you can and will shoot yourself in the foot.

        You are doing it right by having backups and playing it safe. You’ll be ok.

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        Since switching to Linux I have nuked my system maybe 5 or 6 times?

        When I initially installed it I set the EFI partition to ext4, that caused some trouble when I updated my kernel lol. Grub just stopped working a few times and then just recently I accidentally wrote a floppy disc image to the wrong drive and wiped out my /home partition. Luckily testdisk is a thing.

        For everything else I can just rely on my BTRFS snapshots. My drive setup is more than janky, but it works. Every time something went really wrong I was able to fix it myself.

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      I’ve wanted to switch to Linux since Windows 10 and its inescapable trash “features”(looking at you, OneDrive).

      I did upgrade to 11 and while I haven’t experienced any catastrophic failures with it (yet) it’s becoming increasingly aggravating with all the added bullshit they’re implementing and the amount of ads they’re trying to sneak in.

      I’ve been bugging my husband for months to help me because he is near fluent in Linux and I’m a noob. He’s now building me a new PC that will have Linux installed and I can’t fucking wait to finally ditch Windows.

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    Because Windows 11 shouldn’t have been made in the first place, I can’t find one reason why they couldn’t just kept updating 10.

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      Beside greed, forcing people to use fully integrated AI. Cuz they know damn well that 90% of us will disable that shit like we did One Drive.

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        Funny thing is I still don’t know why they needed a new version of Windows for that, I mean 10 was already bloat they could have just shoved AI into it, as in the TPM 2.0 they could have just made a new 25H(whatever the fuck) version where you’d need to enable that on the motherboard.

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          I’m guessing to capture the consumers that just upgrade without thinking. Like they’ll 100% put this shit in next years iphone and people won’t even blink.

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          It’s because Apple moved on from X. They skipped 9 just because they didn’t want to be behind Apple.

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            It sounds like when Microsoft named their second console “360” because they wouldn’t want to be behind Sony. But somehow I’m not buying that

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      One good reason: so all of the fucking half ass obnoxious shit that have put into 11 didn’t taint 10.

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    I want to qualify this comment with the fact that I am not a super gamer. Most my games are older. The newest and most demanding game I play is Cyberpunk 2077. Most my other games are multiple years older and less demanding.

    I finally switched full time to a Linux desktop OS. I have used Linux more or less daily for decades, the first distro I ever installed was Slackware what feels forever ago. But until Valve put the work into running games on linux for their Steam deck I felt I was trapped needing to have Windows to play games. I have even spent the last decade forcing myself to rely more and more on cross platform available FOSS dreaming of some day making a permanent switch. Honestly it was so easy for me to switch at this point, most games pretty much just ran. My biggest problem took a bit to grok and it was just because some games do not like running in proton from an NTFS partition. I have NVME and SATA SSDs separate from my boot drive that I used to install games on and it was trivial to reformat the NVME drive to a more Linux friendly filesystem and I have not had an issue since. Eventually I’ll do the SATA drive but I’m lazy and those games are working fine so far. You will absolutely have problems with some games, especially some that have overbearing anti-cheat systems, but man this has been so easy I couldn’t really have imagined. The only non-gaming problem was a document scanner we own that is not supported by SANE. I could not find a solution to run it on Linux so I just spun up a Tiny 11 copy of Windows in a VM and passed it through. We only use it a couple times a year so this is an acceptable compromise to me. The VM doesn’t have Internet access, it just sees a local drive as a network share. All it can do is scan something and save it to the shared drive so I can access it in Linux.

    I chose Linux Mint because I am well versed with Debian and Ubuntu. But I suggest anyone new to Linux give Bazzite a shot. It’s designed to be a lot harder for you to break. It’s also more optimized for gaming if that’s your focus. For me gaming is a requirement but I’ve never felt the need for top tier performance.

    The path from 3.1 to 11 has been such a sour one and the last thing I am willing to put up with is being the product in the eyes of my desktop OS. My computer is mine and it will do what I want it to do or it will do nothing at all.

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      My biggest problem took a bit to grok

      Now that you’re on Linux pop Docker on there and install Ollama/WebUI on there so you can run your own grok at home and not have to support yet another horrible company

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    My 78 year old mother bought a new laptop, windows 11.

    Immediately I had to remote in because of some S mode BS which just put you in the MS only application environment.

    3 months later and somehow she fubarred her login and can’t use her new laptop. There’s probably an easy fix, but since she hates windows 11 and wants to go back to 10, I suggested Linux.

    So it will be a Merry Christmas for my mom when I visit and install IDK? Some version that’s super simple. Anything is better than what she currently has

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      I think KDE Neon would be nice for a new user. I like Pop OS and it’s really cute and sleek but the shortcuts are needlessly different from windows a bunch of times, if she’s somehow used to alt+tab to change windows and not just window groups she’s gonna have a hard time learning another way to do it.

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    Because 8 was garbage and people got rid of it as soon as possible. 10 was actually good, and 11 was barely a change functionally until they started messing with the ads push, and now they’re shoving LLM bullshit in to justify their exorbitant expenditures on the half functional tech.

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      Yep. I Kept 7 for as long as possible but had to upgrade so 10 was next. I wouldn’t move to 11 if support continued for 10.

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        You probably know this, but for others who might not: MS is now allowing some/many/all (???) people to extend the security updates for Win10 for another year free of charge. You have to go into the Windows update area and click a button to accept. At least in the USA, this seems to be a somewhat newly available option, as it was there the last time someone asked me to look at their laptop to see if I could upgrade it to Win11.

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          I had already upgraded when I saw this. But it’s only another year, if it was 2-3 years I’d actually take the hit and roll back. I’d actually pay for it! Although next year I might move totally over to Linux. Will see.

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    I use windows 10 at home while I use windows 11 at work. The only thing I like about windows 11 is tabs in the file explorer. Besides that I’ve had to deal with Windows Explorer crashing on a daily basis, task bar freezing completely multiple times a week, certain software straight up not working that I need to get work done, programs crashing that work perfectly fine on 10, internet connectivity issues (usually DNS for some fucking reason), periodically hearing the disconnect sound for a device even when everything is still working, awful drop down menus, needing to change the registry just to get basic features that 10 has, and the list goes on and on. At home everything just works. I’ve been testing Linux and have been getting better stability than Windows 11 and I feel like every week there’s a new problem.

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      I have to use Windows 11 for work. Maybe this is because of CrowdStrike or something, I don’t know, but I often encounter a problem where the main section of explorer, where you can actually click files and stuff, just breaks. That entire region becomes unclickable and unusable, even though the rest of the Explorer window (like the icons on the top part) all still work. So I just have to close the window and then reopen Explorer, re-navigate back to where I was, and proceed from where I left off.

      Never, in the decades I’ve been using computers, have I ever encountered something as stupid as this with this amount of regularity. Windows 11 is a uniquely bad OS compared to every competitor option, including prior versions of Windows.

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        I run into that same issue from time to time. Another one I run into is when I click on items on the task bar it doesn’t bring it up as the active window even when everything else is working. I have to ALT+tab to bring up any Window or minimize every window just to find the one I want and it is absolutely infuriating.

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          I haven’t used windows for over 9 years now, and it still blows my mind that I read about these constant bugs just like when I used it, only back then there was a bug every now and then and they usually got taken care of within a week, but now it’s like 1 bug gets squashed, but only after 5 more are already in place. Not trying to shit in anyone here, because if you need Windows, you need it, end of story. But I can’t recommend that everyone tried Linux for at least a month enough. Give it a shot, install it in dual boot, spend some time in it, if it doesn’t work for you, that’s that, but at least you tried it.

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    This article is trash, it mentions existing windows 10 features in windows 11 like it’s a groundbreaking new technology.

    Virtual desktops and clipboard manager? Cmon man we’ve been having that for years now

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    10 had at least SOME good in it, at first i didnt want to move on from 7 but when i finally did it was okay. Everything i have heard about 11 is awful, and i wasnt very pleased with it myself either when i tried it at work, though i was able to mostly ignore it since it was just my work pc.

    And now after switching to mint, idea of using 11 is preposterous.

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      Had to “upgrade” my work laptop to 11 for security support. Nothing about it is better. Almost everything is slower, and many common operations take more steps to complete on 11 vs 10.

      Absolute fuckin’ garbage.

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      I learned to tolerate 10 for my limited uses. Like you, my Windows PC jumped from 7 to 10. When 11 rolled around, the centered start menu was the first thing I noticed and it was an instant wtf moment.

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      I mean if you tell 50% of your client base they have to buy a new PC…

      Especially, in the current economic climate.

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    Windows 11 brings change but no significant features. The general population hates change.

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      What do you mean? Now I get the feature of not being to click on the clock on my second monitor to open the calendar! I had been waiting for that feature for ages.

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    Linux for desktop. MacBook Air for my laptop, only because of Microsoft Office. Bought a cheap Office for Mac 2021 licence. Mac is also much better than Windows 11 too: responsive, Fast wake/sleep, no 20 minute reboots with mystery updates, no registry, no Powershell. If you can avoid Office documents and run an AMD GPU, anyone should be golden on Linux. NVidia is fine if you are comfortable with command line. Not really sure what Windows has going for it except inertia, but if your coasting, you are going downhill…

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        It’s a burning platform, and the future isn’t bright. IT and security would love to get rid of Windows desktops, they are nightmare to manage and secure. Problem is legacy.

        But who still uses native Windows Apps other than Office? Legacy apps are out there, but also being migrated to low code browser apps. Even Office is an web app and Microsoft has been converting their ‘native’ apps into browser containers. Point is that Almost everything runs on a web browser and that is what kids have been using in schools for nearly 10 years. To date, ChromeOS is widely used in some roles (contact center, some back office). Developers, graphics, video, marketing, executives, along with most sales often use Mac, and nearly every enterprise uses both Android and IPhone /iPad OS.

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          I have seen a move away from office products into cloud things like google for years. Not a huge fan of the “cloud” but here we are.

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        Even all the design agencies use Macs, no one in the business world uses Linux. Except for servers obviously.