• dan@upvote.au
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    Why does Apple feel they deserve a 30% cut? In cases like this, Apple aren’t providing any value at all.

    • Apple aren’t providing the content - the creator is.
    • Apple aren’t providing a platform for the content - Patreon is.
    • Apple aren’t providing a platform for discovery - people aren’t finding Patreon creators solely via Apple products.

    Sure, Apple are providing a payments platform, but why do they deserve 10x what Stripe charges?

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      Deserving is irrelevant under Capitalism. It’s only whether they can get away with it or not?

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      This sums the problem up fairly nicely I think. I do wonder with Apple being a gatekeeper by EUs own definition and unfair sales terms supposed to be history with the Digital Markets Act in place this can’t go through, right!!! at least not in the EU… assuming they do their job.

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      This is THE way that Apple gets any revenue from the enormous and highly successful app platform and ecosystem they created. They say “go nuts, make money on our platform, but share some with us in exchange for our maintaining that platform.” This is reasonable. Apple is providing a service to Patreon, and access to their tremendous user base. That ain’t nothing.

      I agree that subjecting creator donations to the 30% is about the shittiest use case for this and I wish they would make an exception. But your post about how Apple is doing absolutely nothing here is garbage.

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        It’s one way but not the only way. They make money from developers before they even write a single line of code, every year.

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        Apple is doing nothing in this particular case, not in general. There’s cases where the 30% is more justified.

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            I meant more if people wouldn’t have found your app without Apple. In that case, they’re essentially handling marketing for you.

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              Being in the AppStore gives you access to a lot of people. I don’t feel it’s at all relevant whether you happen to also have other exposure elsewhere. Apple charges you for the exposure you get from them, period. If you don’t want to pay for it, because you’re so successful on other channels, just don’t. Don’t have an iOS app. But for years we’ve had people who want an iOS app but also want to complain about sharing what they make from it. They still make too much to be willing to pull their app, but they complain anyway: because who doesn’t want higher margins.

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      Lack of competition. No other app store is allowed to operate on Apple devices. They have a monopoly, which is the only reason they can charge as much as they do

      Sure, Apple are providing a payments platform, but why do they deserve 10x what Stripe charges?

      I don’t believe that 30% cut includes payment processing. That’s an additional fee

      Sad to think about how little creators actually get at the end of the day. Example of a $100 donation/subscription:

      • Apple takes 30%

      • Card companies take ~4%

      • Patreon takes 10%

      • Taxes take another big chunk

      After all that a the creator would have, what, $40?

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        No other app store is allowed to operate on Apple devices

        That’s only true outside of Europe. In the EU, they were forced to allow third-party app stores. The US government doesn’t have the guts to do that, since they focus more on the needs/wants of companies, whereas the EU is really focused on consumer rights.

        • Card companies take ~4%
        • Patreon takes 10%

        Does Patreon’s cut not include payment processing?

        The other thing that’s ridiculous in the USA is how much credit card processing costs. Stripe is around 3%, while in countries it can be half of that (in Australia, it’s commonly around 1% for debit cards and 1.5% for credit cards).

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      Why does Apple feel they deserve a 30% cut?

      Because they can. Time and time again, useful idiots have proven their dipshittery by sucking off the people taking them for a ride.

      A main tenant of business decisions is to fuck over your customers as hard as they’re willing to be fucked. Since nobody has any standards these days, corporations make a killing.

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      I suspect this has more to do with closing a loophole than going after Patreon and only Patreon.

      People don’t have to subscribe through the app. and Patreon don’t have to offer that functionality in the App. Apple don’t have Patreon locked in to their platform.