Already on Linux.
Life is good 👍
Made the switch when Windows 7 went EOL. Helped plenty of others make the switch now before 10 was killed off. Life is good indeed.
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I have been happy as a Linux user for more than ten years now. Never looked back. I use Trisquel.
Until it is not should be the motto
Pretty sure Mozilla has the numbers on how many installations each OS has, so it’s probably a legitimate decision. HOWEVER, if they want to maintain their position on Linux, I highly recommend changing the default behavior of Ctrl+Shift+C to match how it works in Helium, where it simply copies the selected content instead of opening Developer Mode, which cannot be closed again using the same keystroke.
You can change that in about:keyboard in the new Firefox versions
Absolutely, all behavior can be changed somehow. But the default defines the product :)
Ah the classic Linux community response to any complaint.
- The default either actively ignores what every other software does or purposely uses something other than everything else for no apparent reason.
- Someone brings up the fact that it makes no sense why it’s different and how it makes the user experience worse.
- Someone else recommends a half baked solution that still doesn’t really solve the problem and doesn’t address the fact that the specific weirdness being default is the issue. So it ignores the actual complaint and only provides a half solution.
- Nothing is ever done to address the issue and it remains for decades constantly annoying new users and being one of thousands of small issues that turn potential curious new users away as they accumulate.
The fuck you want us to do about it? We don’t have commit access to firefox’s codebase.
Why is that persons response considered the community response?
Ive been using Linux for 20 years so… Can we change that shortcut please?
Interesting. And yet it’s still incomplete. F6 and Alt+D both do the same thing (focus the address bar), so there’s at least one line missing and definitely at least one column.
What’s wrong with Ctrl+C to copy? Its the default shortcut on pretty much everything except terminals.
Whats wrong with using the metric system to represent quantities? Its the default on pretty much everything except fueling planes or operating satellites. /s
The conflict arises from having two different defaults for the same action. Since users frequently switch between these environments, the lack of a universal shortcut causes constant friction.
The key issue is that the request is to change behavior in one place (browser) to match that of a rare case (terminal), causing a mismatch with the frequent case (office suites, mail programs, …). The terminal is the odd one out, not the browser, and ought be the one to change the default for the reason you provide.
In practice, a terminal is a special case and not just a text input window, and current convention is that Ctrl + C aborts / cancels.
(You could of course have a duplicate hotkey, but now you are inconsistent w.r.t. other browsers, and there will be someone else who will be annoyed by the difference)
Yeah the person who put Developer Mode on that shortcut… Must have never used linux.
Why?
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Since most of Lemmy users are Linux fans, this headline sounds nice but is a bit misleading if you read the original post from Mozilla:
How can I get the newest features of Firefox?
If you want to keep your Firefox up to date, with all the latest features and security updates, you need to upgrade your operating system to Windows 10 or higher. In some cases, Microsoft may require newer hardware in order to support the newer operating system. After upgrading, you can easily reinstall Firefox and keep all of your settings.
Or, if your current hardware can’t handle Windows 10 or higher for some reason, you can switch to a Linux-based operating system. The vast majority of Linux distributions come with Firefox as the default browser. Please see the support websites for the version of Linux that you’re interested in.
sounds nice but is a bit misleading
To me it even sounds kind of scary. If they are telling users you need to switch your OS to continue using our app, that is going to isolate users and further decrease user base and market share. And apps that no one uses usually die. So for people who like Firefox, it doesn’t sound so nice. I’m also a Linux user, but I’m not sure if this is a positive way to drive users to Linux. (Thought it does mention windows 10 upgrade hardware requirement limitations, which might be a positive way to drive users to Linux, thanks Microsoft.)
Market share for Win 7-8.1 is, no joke, 0.69% (nice). And how many of those users are running FireFox?
What a bad take.
Are you really asking Mozilla to restart supporting Windows XP as well because the web browser is used for some embedded application, too?And so what?
If the user liked Firefox, they will need to switch the OS anyway. Doesnt matter if Apple, MS or Linux. Firefox is present in all them.man I’m facing either needing to get a new pc in THIS market to use 10, or find an entire new professional software workflow to do my job. professional video on Linux isn’t real. hobbysist video sure, but pro video work with partners just isn’t realistic on linux.
this is the first thing that’s actually pushing me hard.
How the hell are you editing video on a PC that can’t even support Windows 10?
I’m fairly certain they meant 11.
That doesn’t make any sense, though. Firefox still supports Windows 10. It’s just support for 7 and 8 that’s ending.
I don’t think they were talking about firefox. I think they were just complaining in general. The bit about needing to buy new equipment is what gives it away that they’re talking about not having TPM2.0.
Edit: Just saw that they confirmed my guess under a different response to me.
Yoy are doing professional video work on a PC old enough that it can’t run Windows 10?
that is going to isolate users and further decrease user base and market share.
Seems in line with what Mozilla’s board of <insert pun that rhymes with directors here 'cos i’m tired> has been doing for ages, so yeah.
I’m not very techie, so when I took my brand new Lenovo (cheap) laptop from w11 to Linux mint, it really felt like an achievement. I haven’t used a command terminal since college, and I straight up made a bootable usb and wiped w11
Nice, that’s sick. I’m soft modding my Wii atm and it also feels good.
Hell yeah brother
Nice!!! But I feel those entry distros could do a lot more to be more user friendly, there are many edge cases where you still need to use a terminal and have some understanding of the OS. We need a truly GUI only distro with more wizards, and automatic repair so more people flee to Gnu/Linux
Edge cases are well, on the edge and sometimes you just need to let them go. You can’t always be everything to everyone.
TBH i really like that i had to get a bit techie again to make the switch. learning to use the terminal a little bit has ignited something in me, and the fact that linux doesnt track my shit has made me way more privacy conscious
The PC Gamer article’s title also says “upgrade or”. That’s a heck of a detail to editorialize out of the title.
From the Mozilla post it cites:
After this, no security updates will be provided and you are strongly encouraged to upgrade to a supported Microsoft Windows version.
Or, if your current hardware can’t handle Windows 10 or higher for some reason, you can switch to a Linux-based operating system. The vast majority of Linux distributions come with Firefox as the default browser.
I agree switching to Linux is the better option. I want to try Bazzite.
Bazzite’s excellent, just be aware going in that it’s an immutible distro and some stuff may be different than you’re used to.
It will be different anyway, as it is a completely different operating system that has nothing in common with windows.
Windows is mutable. That’s likely what they are referring to.
Except it will prevent you from mutating many of its system files. I mean it’s not a good argument for a former Windows user, unless they get a sudden urge to tinker with all possible system files on Linux (which is possible to do on immutable systems in one way or another, but it’s much harder and not as straightforward)
True, but a lot of Linux help and guides are based around normal distros where they won’t work
The worst part of immutable versions is when you go searching for help, you need to be careful about answers that might be presented to you.
For example, if I search for "how to install nVidia drivers in Fedora Kinonite 43, the first returns can often be for Fedora Plasma 43. Those terminal commands for Plasma won’t work for Kinonite. And even updating is different. Instead of sudo dnf update for regular Fedora desktops, you need to type rpm-ostree update for atomic versions.
Bazzite is amazing, nearly bulletproof even?
I had a few times where it booted to the grub emergency shell, but it literally just fixed itself. Just reboot and it uses the other A/B slot. And the next update attempt just fixes whatever the problem was. That’s only happened twice in the last 5 months since I switched. Most longtime Linux users should be very familiar with the grub emergency shell, but I’ve never been on a distro where it just fixes itself. I don’t ever have to think or worry about updates, it’s just a reliable daily driver. It’s sick.
As people have said, Bazzite is immutable. You can install system packages/libraries if you absolutely need to, but you really should run your custom stuff in a Distrobox instead. Distrobox is preinstalled, supports graphical apps automatically, and most of the time you won’t even notice it’s not your real OS.
I think Bazzite is more stable and usable than Windows now. I’m tempted to switch my parents to it, it’s been much more fault tolerant than Windows 11.
One of the main places windows is used, like it or not, are organizations and companies. Especially small ones. Specially ones that are not in wealthy countries. And the only thing that keeps them from switching to linux is microsoft office. (Most importantly Word, excel).
My company has ~20 people and I would switch them over to linux if it wasn’t for word and excel.
While libreoffice is great on it’s own, companies send eachother xlsx and docx files. And libreoffice isnt great at reading or writing them. Specially complex ones. I don’t think it’s much of libre office’s fault, but more the shitty incompatible, unstandardized microsoft formats.
Currently I’m the only Linux user in the team, and I constantly advocate Linux, but I know if anybody switches, compatibility with microsoft office is going to be a problem. I can take the risk with the tech team but not the office section (hr, sales, secretary accounting etc.) really.
Try onlyoffice and slowly try to shift to libreoffice with open document formats. Or just skip that part and move everyone to the web versions of office. Also if you guys are on office 2010, the last time I ran it via wine, it worked completely fine.
No you cannot shift to open document formats because you can’t send an odt file to another company. They will not know what it is. In the enterprise world you have to “send them the word” or “the excel”.
This is the same thing that keeps my parents on windows. I do agree it’s not libre offices fault
Microsoft dominance in businesses is part of what’s making me think all businesses are in cahoots with each other to make sure the only businesses that are successful are ones that take power away from the public.
There is stuff Office 360 or whatever is called to that online Microsoft Office can do just fine from Firefox or Chrome based browsers. But if things get overcomplicated, it’s as good or even worse than Libreoffice at handling xlsx, docx documents.
Even current Office struggles with early Office documents.
Windows is so shit. Glad I switched, everything works so much better (and faster) on Linux.
“Most browsers, including Google Chrome and Microsoft Edge, have already ended support for Windows 7, 8 and 8.1.”
To me Millions of flies can’t be wrong: eat shit. is a crappy argument but at least they’re
“If your current hardware can’t handle Windows 10 or higher for some reason, you can switch to a Linux-based operating system. The vast majority of Linux distributions come with Firefox as the default browser.”
thats so weird. if someone is forced to be on win7, no way they gonna change to linux. there has to be some compatibility issue in the background.
95 was the last good windows i said what i said
Shoulda stopped at xp tbh
With the list of old Windows vulnerabilities so extensive Firefox could simply just install Linux for users like that.
Most of them (I assume such VMs don’t use browsers) would just click [Agree] and then [Next] a few times, never knowing what was it about, maybe not even noticing any differences.
/s
So, basically Microsoft’s “we know what’s best for you” style? No. Fuck that, no matter the purpose.
I was joking.
I added the “/s” to be extra clear.
I didn’t think of anyone taking that statement seriously (like how wound it even work?).Apologies. I’ve seen weirder shit proposed recently. 2025 has severely damaged my sensors responsible for detecting irony, sarcasm and satire.
As for “how would it work”: on systems as old as Win 7, it would be trivial to escalate privileges and install all kinds of shit.
I do agree with you, I could have written it significantly better (in my brainhole the notion of a browser/browser dev installing you an OS bcs it would mean less work for them was just funny, but I failed in communicating it).
Also lol, yeah, 2025 did a number on irony/nutty theories/near future predictions. 2026 is no better, like whym there aren’t any HDDs left, what kind of worldwide catastrophe hit Earth & caused that??
The install bit - so getting through admin Win would prob be easy (that was the og joke), then the code would have to partition the disk (ok), install Hannah Montana Linux (ok), but then also reboot to that partition - can that be done without Grub on a primary boot partition or the user accessing BIOS?
can that be done without Grub on a primary boot partition or the user accessing BIOS?
I was assuming you’d just write GRUB onto the primary disk and set Hannah Montana Linux (lol, excellent choice of distro!) as the only boot option (because who needs os-prober and a selection timeout when you’ve got the best of distros on disk, amirite?).
I suppose the most problematic part is the partitioning you handwaved as “ok”. Afair, Windows does not allow for live-resizing of the system partition (as it should). But I suppose there are ways around that, particularly if you’ve got another drive or spare partition of adequate size. (OEM recovery partitions come to mind; as much as 10 GB can be enough for a viable Linux system partition.)
Oh, your are right, I always resized partitions with Knoppix or (something with) GParted (Live).
Perhaps there is a way to use Windows partition without any reformat, reboot into the same partition but in Linux, finish installing the rest of the packages & clean up Windows file.
Using them old OEM partitions is a neat idea too.
I’ll open a ticket with Mozilla.
Hannah Montana, Knoppix… a man of culture I see…
I’ll open a ticket with Mozilla.
…who wants to see the world burn!
You know there is some dude the thought removing the /s would make that a valid suggestion.
Thought virus’ are real.
New Firefox plugin incoming (“Download more RAM on your Windows 7 machine”).
Well, as an addition to all the calls for switching to Linux:
Its completely doable to install Windows 11 on unsupported Hardware, using an official ISO from Microsoft and letting the Rufus imager apply a few changes and Win 11 should run on hardware that is about 10 years old or a bit older (i think i have heard Microsoft has removed support for the Core2 generation of CPUs). If you want to get a really clean install the best tool is - i think - tiny11builder which cleans up an official ISO and makes the whole experience of running this OS on older hardware way more pleasant.
Currently i have a test system (a laptop) with an Celeron N3010 and 4 GB RAM on my desk at work running Windows 11 modified by tiny11builder and it is - while not exactly fast - absolutely useable for classical office tasks.
Its Kind of insane to think about that you have to put so much effort into deshittifying windows 11. At that point its probably easier to switch to Linux (if you dont have anything that forces you to use win 11)
I personaly am not forced to use Windows, quiet on the contrary - at the moment i am daily driving Haiku. But there is always this odd person in the extended family that cannot switch because of an pigeon breeding management software or some obscure program used for some niche interest… so its nice to have a roadmap to let them keep using an system that keeps getting updated.
Fair enough.
I like linux and I use it (Raspbian, Zorin, Ubuntu, Arch: diff machines). I also enjoy using Win 8.1 on my Lenovo M93p Tiny (8GB ram), as a Playnite appliance / console. This allows me to play emulated games (Wii, Gamecube, PS2, to about 1.5-2x upscale), ~2013ish era AAA titles (Fallout 3, Just Cause 2, Dead Rising 2, GTA IV) and select indy games (like Donut County, Untitled Goose Game, EXO ONE) all from one device.
Normally, the advice would be to use something like Bazzite or Batocera (and I agree!)…but given the hardware limitations and the “it just runs” nature of these older Window games (under windows) I’ve had better experiences sticking to Win 8.1.
YMMV but the “switch to linux cause windows too old” thing has some shades of gray.
If you play on a machine that is not connected to internet, then by all means there is no reason to switch. But of you are connected to the internet, then those system pose security risks and you would be better off having an up to date system. If Win 10 wasn’t EOL then maybe the advice to upgrade to Win10 would be solid.
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How are you trying to run Jellyfin? What part isn’t working for you?
I have it as a Docker container in Ubuntu and it works perfectly. The only trick was I had to find jellyfin’s internal docker IP address to do the initial Jellyfin server setup steps.
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Files? You pick the media from the library, files are abstracted away.
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I would guess you have an issue with your docker volume or bind mount then, assuming you built it as a Docker container?
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Docker is basically similar to a flatpak: you download a package via Docker and it will practically do everything for you, so you only have to take care of the config file, if even needed.
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The easiest way is Docker Desktop, though I myself installed only the docker engine itself, which still was pretty easy to do. I did that because I had a dedicated server with no GUI. It does require to add the reposity though, but the documentation is pretty straightforward to follow.
I haven’t tried Docker Desktop as the other poster mentioned but I use a similar GUI interface called Cosmos Cloud to manage Docker. It integrates a “market” of easily installable docker apps, graphic interface for managing/updating the containers, internal port management and optional reverse proxy/url management for external access, plus a few more advanced features like VPN and OIDC SSO.
It’s probably overkill for just Jellyfin but if you’ve been considering trying out other self-hosted services I highly recommend it.Standalone installation is the way to go: https://cosmos-cloud.io/docs/index/
Then I’m not sure what advice we can give you without knowing more about how you installed it and how the file structure and Jellyfin libraries are linked
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Did you sync your library? It was confusing for the first time for me as well, but Jellyfin requires you to synchronise your library if you add or remove files.
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Post your issue on !jellyfin@lemmy.ml. That community is starved for new posts.
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The most active community is !jellyfin@poweruser.forum.
Edit: Also try !selfhosted@lemmy.world, a LOT more people there.
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Are you sure? It has 105 subscribers and all of 3 posts. (The most recent one was from ~10 months ago)
The latest post is 17 days ago. Looks like another instance defederated from yours.
Ahh, thanks 🙃
Try docker compose rather than locally if you are struggling.
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