When women riders and drivers told us they wanted more control over how they ride and earn, we listened. That feedback led to Women Preferences, features designed to give women the choice to ride with other women. Since our first pilots last summer, we’ve heard just how much that choice matters—from feeling more comfortable in the back seat to more confident behind the wheel.
Probably gonna get flak for this, but as a man, I have no issues if women want to stick with other women and I don’t particularly care if I have the option to pick whatever driver I want.
Obviously weirdness and sexual misconduct can occur to both men and women from both men and women, but it’s disingenuous as hell to pretend that men being weird or sexual towards women isn’t the most common by a colossal margin.
No flak. I was gonna post the same thing. Women deserve to feel safe too.
Two people literally disagree with you that women should feel safe.
This is why these options are now available to women.
Fuck uber / lyft / skip / dash anyways.
100%. I feel better knowing that the women in my life have the ability to not ride around with some random dude. I have done Uber to make ends meet a number of times, and I’d happily accept the decrease in ridership if it means women are less scared.
Yup, I’m also squarely in the “good for them, it doesn’t really affect me in the slightest and they deserve to feel safe” boat. But I also have a sneaking suspicion that the guys like us aren’t the ones who would be upset about this. The Venn diagram of “men who wouldn’t get angry about this” and “fucking creeps” is probably close to being two separate circles.
As a smaller guy with a slightly feminine appearance (that I try to lean away from but how much can I do), I also fear men I don’t know (bad experiences) and wish that somehow I could choose too. But any sort of ‘qualified selection’ would guarantee someone malicious slips through eventually, and that’s obviously not worth it. I’m not going to let jealousy and whataboutism get in the way of progress. On that note, I do worry slightly about how they’re verifying gender? If it’s by DL, this will affect trans folks in some states much more than others. If it’s not, then verification becomes a very big question mark.
I also can’t help but notice all the language is very passive, on one hand it makes sense they wouldn’t be able to guarantee anything but at the same time I find it so hard to trust passive language from any tech company, they’ve all abused my good faith of it into the ground. But I digress.
No flak just thoughts, concerns notwithstanding this is good to see overall. I’m sure Lyft will have to deploy something equivalent to stay competetive.
Lyft already has this feature, it’s called women+
Probably gonna get flak for this
Oh please.
You know perfectly well it’s not a controversial opinion.I only added it because I wasn’t sure if there was a population of man-children who feel slighted every time women get anything even remotely positive on Lemmy like there was on Reddit
There is. It’s substantial, but much more subtle than on Reddit. Slurs and outright sexism usually get you banned pretty quick here, so it’s largely just the casual sexism left, but it runs pretty deep. And it’s been here at least as long as I have overall (my oldest account is about 3 yo). In the original wave, the shitty population drove off the vast majority of cis female users within 6 months, which is a huge part of why the demographics around here are so heavily skewed toward men. This is also why the women’s communities, which all died out and were resurrected during the second Lemmy population boom, are so heavily policed to shut men down.
You can tell we have such a population because all posts like these about women getting anything at all, good or bad, always, without fail, have an absolute glut of comments. If you then take the time to read all of them, a solid percentage are very clearly motivated by sexism. Now, commenters are obviously self-selecting, so it’s impossible to say in absolute terms, but of the people who choose to comment on such things, and generously leaving out any comments that may just be poorly worded, I’ve typically seen between 10 and 30% of the comments have such motivations, depending how old the post is and how much visibility it got. It’s not always the same people, either, it’s different shitty people most of the time. Downvotes also flow like wine if you challenge those comments, or call out the trend.
It is worse.
Don’t say that. I came here to get away from those twats and speak with at least somewhat rational people.
It sucks and will only get worse as time progresses. Lemmy is very anti-woman, pro gun, and pro violence.
It does have less capitalistic bootlicking bastards, but only slightly less.
Lemmy is filled with men right activists and misogynists that don’t hide.
If it wasn’t controversial MRA wouldn’t exist lol
I think the issue people are taking is with collective punishment and validating prejudice.
Right, every single woman on the planet has had multiple uncomfortable, or even dangerous or violent, interactions with men, but people in this thread are pretending that it’s outrageous that someone is acknowledging that very obvious and well-known fact.
I’m a man, and I don’t blame women at all for avoiding us. I don’t know why every woman isn’t a lesbian. Men are generally awful.
Well said, complete and concise.
it’s disingenuous as hell to pretend that men being weird or sexual towards women isn’t the most common by a colossal margin.
I’m not convinced. Every guy I know has a story about women being creeps to them, but ask them if they reported it, every single one of them will say no.
And for the very few that do try to report it? They’re usually laughed out of the room. My own mother said “oh but it’s cute when older women do it to younger guys”. That’s not a rare opinion, that’s the default in our culture.
So we don’t show up in any official statistics, because our culture discourages us from reporting, and is less likely to take us seriously if we do.
So no, I’m not convinced that men being weird to women is the most common by any margin. We haven’t even asked men.
Hello. You now know me. I have none of those stories. Women have been nothing but respectful to me.
But if you’re comfortable sharing, I would love to hear your story about how you were harassed by a female Uber driver.
I’m a guy. I was harassed by a female uber driver once (I wrote about it here) and I also…
[sexual coersion trigger warning]
I was raped by a women while intoxicated a few years ago. It didn’t traumatize me heavily, but I definitely was raped. Would you like to hear about it?
I usually have positive interactions with women and appreciate the ones in my life, but just cause these things are rare doesn’t mean they don’t happen.
That’s horrible. I don’t know how to do a spoiler tag, but let’s just say ; same.
So to stay on topic. Would you use a feature that let you not have women drivers?
I’m sorry you went through that.
Not really, no. I don’t mind.
That’s super awkward. Sorry you had to deal with that.
To stay on topic, would you use an option to not ride with women drivers now?
I don’t take uber or taxis. But I’ve had random women come up to me in public places and grab my private parts, or say sexually suggestive things, and it makes me feel kinda paralyzed, like a deer in headlights, cause what am I gonna do, be the guy that yells at a woman for sexual assault? And then I just never go back in that store for a few months.
I think women drivers only wanting to pick up women is fine if thats what they want to do. That won’t negatively effect everyone else who is working. It only negatively effects your own potential at making your money.
But riders being able to select women drivers really takes a hard monetary hit against male drivers for the sake of being sexist.
Maybe Uber should be responsible for background checks of their drivers and hold them accountable for their actions and be able to fire them for misconduct. But that might require hiring drivers as actual employees. And then Uber could issue company vehicles.
Oh wait, I’m describing taxi companies that already existed before Uber.
The fact that we allow Uber/Lyft to operate as a way to skirt regulations that were put in place to keep people safe, and then trust Uber will implement work around solutions like this is ridiculous.
Same goes to AirBnB
While I agree with this, and I’m not defending skirting regulations, before rideshare apps, taking taxis was an awful experience. At least half the time, if you try to pay with a credit card, the machine was “broken”, if you wanted to get a ride at a specific time you had to call ahead and hope that a taxi would show up.
Rideshsre apps forced regular taxis to up their game and provide better service, some did and now have their own apps.
I dont think that this is really the problem uber is solving here.
I dont think women passengers or drivers are being physically assaulted during an uber ride, they just feel uncomfortable with men. Maybe its flirting, maybe its a fertive glance, maybe its nothing. It doesn’t really matter whether male drivers have ever done anything to deserve being avoided, the point is that women want to avoid them.
Im a guy. I feel a bit awkward about this, as if someone had said to me “I dont want to interact with you because you might rape me”. Its not a nice feeling but its a misconception of what’s really happening.
Ultimately in any specific instance where a woman chooses not to interact with a man, I absolutely believe its her right to do so. However, I do hope that society doesn’t reach a point where women in general make that choice as a matter of routine.
Uber stopped doing then, but their own data through 2022 claims that 99.9998% of rides ended without a safety incident.
Most sexual assault is committed by abusers who know their victims, not random strangers.
I also think they should be employees. That is however another matter. Being a full time employee has never stopped anyone from engaging in sexual harassment. Workplace harassment is quite common. Let’s not mix up our issues. Hiring them as employees will not protect women.
As a man, this makes me sad. As a man, I also understand.
unless you’ve actually literally lived as a woman you cannot know the monumental amount of sexual harassment we face and fear on a day-to-day basis. doubly so for trans women. every single moment i am alone in public i am deathly anxious that i could be harassed (sexually or otherwise) or hate-crimed or whatever. and the worst part is, there’s nothing i could do about it. the perpetrator would get away scot-free. the cops do not fucking care
however bad you think it is, it’s worse. whatever you’re imagining, it is exponentially more horrendous
I have twice been in public with my fiance and some random twat in a pickup truck yells cat calls while driving by slowly in a parking lot. Wish the fuckers would stop so I can pull them through the window. God knows what she’s delt with when I’m NOT standing next to her holding her hand. Sick as a society we are, that’s why we have trump as pedophile in cheif. Smh.
Since you said they’re a she, it’s fiancée. Congrats on the nups!
As a man, I genuinely wonder how much actual harassment women face vs how much they hear about it, driving the anxiety.
I get to feel that a lot of these fears are real, but many are manufactured. But I can be wrong.
I have yet to meet a woman I’m close enough friends with who doesn’t have a personal sexual assault story. Not a harrassment story, an SA story. Could just be bad luck but i don’t think it is. It also lines right up with the statistic
that 3/4 women get sexually assaulted before 30(that stat is from memory, but I’ll try and track it down in a bit.)I believe It is much worse than you think.
EDIT: so on the stat I popped: NSVRC says 1 in 5 women in their lifetimes and RAINN says 1 in 6 in their lifetime. It’s been a while since i’d read that stat so it makes sense it’d be off.(though it is disappointing just how far off it ended up being, big whiff on my part) Those stat pages also have numbers for men as well
The 1 in 6 stat from RAINN are for attempted rape and rape, not sexual harassment or assault. Those numbers are even higher. That’s why there’s a difference between what you remember.
I’m pretty sure it’s much, much worse than you think. In fact, I’m fairly sure it’s much worse than I think. Men don’t experience it, women are reluctant to talk about it because some men react aggressively to claims that men react aggressively.
i didn’t speak in detail about the very many numerous times i’ve been sexually harassed in public only because it’s too depressing to think about lmao
1 in 6 women in the US have experienced either an attempt or complete rape.
https://rainn.org/get-informed/facts-statistics-the-scope-of-the-problem/
That’s not even touching on sexual harassment or assault.
If men can never know. How can men ever trust women’s calls to action on the issues are fair, just or worthwhile?
Your retort is that because you lack empathy women are somehow suspect?
It is because I have empathy for both women and men. It also means those who don’t understand ,or get offended, may lack the empathy for both needed to understand the point made. Do you empathize with men’s experience of women?
The same way we trust that it’s really painful for men to get kicked in the junk without having to experience it ourselves.
And how do we accomplish that?
If I knew how to make everyone empathetic we wouldn’t even need to be discussing this in the first place. What a vapid question.
Sounds like it an incredibly important question if you want more empathy in the world.
The question of how we make empathy universal isn’t the vapid question. Yours that I was responding to was.
Either way, if women can manage the hit in the balls empathy, surely you can figure this out, too, without a step-by-step pictorial diagram and someone to hold your hand.
That may be the case, GiantChickDicks, but I would really appreciate said step-by-step pictorial diagram. Hand holding optional.
You can’t explain how empathy works and think understanding it is vapid so your beleifs about what is and isn’t possible, how and when, seem highly suspect. How do you know men and women are equally capable of how empathy, or if what is required to encourage it, is present?
You answered your own question. The task for men is to trust women when they describe their experiences, even if it’s completely invisible and alien to their own experiences. Reading detailed firsthand accounts is a good way to build understanding.
That is not a task for men. That is a demand from women. If men can only decide to believe based on the trust they have with the speaker then the speaker must earn their trust. It is not men’s responsibility to become trusting of women, just because women want it. If women want men to trust their words then it’s women’s responsibility to gain men’s trust. It would be profoundly unwise of men to believe without either trust or safety. How often do you ever concern yourself with the safety of men? Because from my experiences, those of my male friends and of the media women like most, women ensuring men feel safe enough to trust is not a concept that rarely ever appears, nevermind it being respected when it does.
I think we all need to do the work to understand the problems faced by different groups. Women need to be doing this too. This isn’t a thread about problems men face, however.
Few of them ever are…which is an example of the point. Stories of men’s experiences are not wanted. So when the topics affecting men are brought up, it’s the closest many get to being heard. Which, of course, they get attacked for. It’s not the place but there is no place so it never gets heard. Seems to me like a little system of censorship and oppression.
This is kind of an insane take.
Women have always been vulnerable. Women are easy targets because they are, on average, physically weaker than males.
Women get raped and sexually assaulted at rates far beyond men. 50% of women will suffer a sexual assault of some kind in their life. Just 3% of men report a sexual assault.
What’s so insane about it?
I agree that women have and will likely continue to be, physically vulnerable to larger people, most often from those whom are men, because they more often bigger. Women suffer from this vulnerability in a variety of ways, including sexual assault. That risk, and the severity of the consequences, deserves community effort to mitigate.
Where’s the insane part?
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Awesome, but they should also give men the option to choose to ride with a man.
There’s already an app that does that.
It’s called grindr.
I’m a man, but I also prefer women drivers. Their cars tend to be better taken care of and cleaner. they also do a lot better at respecting and pre-empting preferences in regard to heat/music. Maybe it’s just my area, but I’ve actually never had a “normal” experience with a male Uber driver.
Either their car is all clapped out, it’s dirty and smells bad, they’ll be blasting MAGA rap, or they get real weird with the dropoff. (Like, bro my legs do function and I can walk across the street or down the block a little bit, it’s ok, I gave you a different address from where I’m actually going anyway). Never had any issues like that with women as drivers.
I get that they’re doing this for reasons of rider safety, but they should let both men and women express a preference.
Dafuk is maga rap ?
Kid Rock, Kanye, Minaj, etc.
Sounds not fun to listen to
If you are MAGA, it’s mandatory. Also Village People and Lee Greenwood. And not just the hits. You have to love the deep album cuts.
Honestly, this should be a thing.
They should make an app where you have to swipe right on your driver/passenger, and then the app notifies you and you can strike up a conversation and see whether or not you are compatible for ride-sharing.
Some sort of beautiful justice can be imagined where women just sit on corners pouting how they can’t get a decent driver.
Can I meet my driver for coffee first, see if it’s worth pursuing a ride?
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I don’t get why they don’t just make this a global option. Anyone can choose their preferred gender. Some women prefer women, some prefer men. Hell, some men prefer men.
I imagine lawyers are the biggest issue. Anti discrimination laws vary greatly by jurisdiction. This type of de jure discrimination against a privileged group to counter de facto discrimination against a marginalized one is the type of situation that is going to be thorny pretty much everywhere, with differing results everywhere.
They’ say they’re doing it for women’s safety, which makes sense. On its face I agree with you that it should be global, to let everyone express their preference for whoever. Assuming men create most of the harassment/assault issues, though, it could be a bad idea to give those same men the ability to get a woman (or a man) delivered to their location at the push of a button. We could even see cases of that ability attracting unsavory types who would otherwise not even consider using Uber. I don’t exactly put a lot of faith in them creating a culture of safety that would prevent it. I myself prefer not men as drivers, and would like the option, but I’m also not a fuckin’ creep.
Eh, this could easily be exploited though, could it not? Just register as a woman looking for a woman client/driver. Is there a verification process to prove you’re a woman?
It probably pulls from whatever’s already on the license. I assume there’s a verification process to drive.
In like, 20 states plus DC you can change your sex on your ID basically on demand (no doctor’s note or court order or whatever). There’s enough Uber drivers out there someone will mark themselves F or X to keep their job options open.
That will get interesting. I can’t remember if there’s id verification on the rider end, but there will probably have to be. That could be what this whole thing is about, come to think of it…
Also, I’m wondering how they’ll treat trans and agender people who don’t have m or f, or who can’t mark their actual gender on their ID in their state.
From what I’ve seen in a cluster F and NB as one category separately from M.
Do you think someone will change their gender legally just so they can make like $15 extra on uber (driver’s perspective) or to get into “female only cars”? (passenger perspective)
I think people will do all kinds of shit for money.
Anyone can break any law or regulation, doesnt mean that we give up laws and regulations.
And likely not. Most services already ask you about your gender (even like reddit or tumblr) so I assume that will suffice and we wont have “ID verifying gender”
Or maybe some conservative hack will propose ID verified gender, who knows.
So the answer to someone breaking a law or regulation is… more laws and regulations?
If someone is going to assault another human, they aren’t going to hit a “oh boy I better not lie to uber” roadblock…
can males avoid women drivers or is that considered sexist? what if a male wants to mitigate the chance of being falsely accused of assault/rape? I hope people have the choice regardless of gender
edit: the downvotes are funny… I assume people think I mean women should not have the choice, but I mean the opposite. EVERYONE should have a choice, or no one. it’s call being fair. rape/sexual assault is not a good scenario for anyone and if people are fearful, they should be allowed to make a choice that allows them to feel comfortable. the downvotes just show me that people are disrespectful/not caring when it comes to fairness and equality. l… or they are just flat out sexist pricks.
As a domestic abuser survivor (of a woman), a lot of us men are just not taken seriously. It is a lot like how people diminish one person’s pain/suffering just because it “isn’t as bad” as someone else’s pain. Men are absolutely abused, raped, and falsely accused. But because it happens to women more, we have to bear our suffering in silence.
No one is saying that men cannot be victims of harassment or assault.
However it is objectively true that women deal with this problem in much higher quantities than men do.
However it is objectively true that women deal with this problem in much higher quantities than men do.
How do you know that it is objectively true, if you also know these statistics are based around a culture that discourages men from reporting this problem?
And that’s why there should be a “no foreigners or blacks”-option.
It might be considered sexist, depending on who you ask.
The amount of males being falsely accused of sexual assault is much lower than the amount of females being exposed to sexual assault. Hence why there has been provided a measure for women at this scale, and not for men.
But the fear of sexual assault is why women prefer women, so ain’t the fear of accusations a justifiable reason? Why does it have to be equal to matter?
Here: https://www.cdc.gov/nisvs/media/pdfs/sexualviolence-brief.pdf
Men have so much less reason to fear compared to women. This is not saying they have nothing to fear, but the measures taken by uber is an attempt to protect those who are MUCH more prone to sexual assault and harassment.
The fear of accusations is not covered in this survey, nevertheless, if men feel fearful of accusations, imagine what women feel when they fear actually being sexually assaulted.
Men have so much less reason to fear compared to women.
I do not agree this can be assumed.
The amount of males being falsely accused of sexual assault is much lower than the amount of females being exposed to sexual assault.
And you know this because… vibes?
Don’t take my word for it; look it up. But here, I’ll save you some time by spending my own:
https://worldmetrics.org/false-rape-allegations-statistics/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/191137/reported-forcible-rape-cases-in-the-usa-since-1990/
https://www.cdc.gov/nisvs/media/pdfs/sexualviolence-brief.pdf
Say out of 140 000 reports of rape in one year, 4% are false. That leaves us with 5600 false accusations. And according to the survey shown by CDC, there’s an estimated 1.4 million women raped in 12 months.
The amount of falsely accused is less than 5% of all the rape cases.
So a women getting actually raped is about 20 times more likely than a man being falsely accused of rape.
And that is only counting all the instances where the rape got reported.
These fucking comments. Anytime anything is done to make women safer men get up in arms and upset. “What about me?” cries the incel.
I’m fine with this if they allow male drivers to avoid women clients.
… Do you also have to walk down the street at night and worry about being raped or grabbed? If so, do you worry about men or women being the primary perpetrator??
Yes, they have to. Maybe not rape, but if you take a look at statistics of street violence, nearly in every country, you will see that men are victims, too. In many countries they are all so quite overrepresented here. In my country, men are over twice as often victims of violence on the streets as women.
So yes, you have to worry as a men when you’re out there at night. And it’s one of the most infuriating things about this debate that people are totally denying that half of the population can be victims of violence and accusing others of being misogynistic incels. Talk to the men in your life and they will tell you about sketchy and violent situations out there.
You might also think about what we are talking about here: A billion dollar company is not vetting their drivers correctly. They are talking the sketchiest people, are not doing any form of interview process and are therefore having a problem with their employees hurting, abusing, raping their customers. Their solution is not to increase the safety for everybody, but to accuse one gender of being generally abusive. And if people critic that, they are flamed as incels here? That’s stupid.
If you’re a male driver trying to avoid women clients, you don’t have to worry as the women are likely already avoiding you.
I haven’t been here for very long, but it’s clear where all the incels went.
God forbid we recognize that men perpetuate most violence committed against women. We might hurt men’s feelings /s
Yeah, lets reduce the number of incels systematically. We can start by reducing the number of male births.
“We can start by reducing the number of male births.”
You keep making comments saying this but I want to know what you plan is. How would you implement this?
There are a number of ways, I’m not inclined toward authoritarian measures. An incentive structure could be built to encourage genetic interventions (at least once that technology matures). Just kind of like some natalists want to encourage births in general. It would have a pretty gentle effect at most but again, I’m aiming for overall harm reduction. The reduction of male births isn’t the goal, its a tool to reach a goal.
In addition, a cultural movement could apply soft social pressure and normalize the practice of aborting boys and trying until a couple gets a girl. This would be difficult though not impossible. Cultural movements that started as a minority opinion pop up pretty frequently these days.
If we were to get authoritarian with it though, of course things get both easier and harder. Easier in that you could just mandate things, in reality this would probably just create black market situations and cause more harm than good. It might be possible to put something in drinking water to significantly decrease the chances of male births as well if you want to validate the conspiracy theorist types, though you could just be open with it and get people to accept it.
Now add a “Chatty Cathy” / “Leave me the fuck alone, don’t worry I’ll still give you a tip as long as we don’t have to talk” option.
Here in Europe we already have that, at least for comfort and above.
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This is a good thing if you ask most women
And if you ask any male uber driver they just lost potentially 50% of their clientele just because they are born with a penis and other penis people are shitty sometimes
New “not all men” just dropped
I don’t think this will meaningfully hurt male drivers. Most women likely won’t use this option, or they will in scenarios like being drunk and alone only (so very situational). People are pretending like 50% of the population just chose to self segregate at all times for no reason.
Maybe they should take that issue up with the other penis having men who rape and sexually harass/assault women for funsies.
You think they’re checking?
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No this is totally about race.
Very few Uber drivers are caucasian.
I don’t think anyone worth listening about anything would find this problematic. It ain’t women casually raping and killing, we all know that.
The vast majority of sexual assault is by people who know the victim, not random strangers. This is Uber trying to capitalize on fear to sell a more “premium” product they will inevitably charge more for, not actually helping anyone.
Whilst this is most likely true, I still think it’ll provide many anxious women some peace of mind and that might be enough.
I’m sure a lot of anxious Nazi’s got a lot of peace of mind in the early 1940’s too.
I sure a lot of anxipis transphobes got a lot of peace of mind when Trump banned trans people from military service.
Giving anxious people peace of mind it’s the point of segregation. That doesn’t make it right or good.
Are you comparing being a woman, which means you’re comparatively less physically imposing and highly likely to be targeted by any immoral men, to Nazis?
I’m comparing gender identity to other forms of protected identity: race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, etc.
I’m not making any judgements about any group being superior or inferior to another. You’re the one doing that. Being “physically imposing” is subjective and variable. There is significant overlap between the largest women and smallest men, and that’s just staying withing the confines of binary cis people. Not to mention… Guns exist. Cars themselves are weapons far more dangerous than any human regardless of gender.
Building a just society means we need to leave behind our biases and fears. To judge individuals not on the circumstances of their birth but the content of their character. That means discarding the luxury of pre-judging people, not just when it is easy, but also when it is hard.
Are you autistic? Honest question.
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Oof. May God give you what you deserve.
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Yeah, we need fewer men in general.
Idk about that, chief.
Do you know anything? What’s your alternative?
I don’t find this problematic, but umm… I’m just going to leave this here. And while I’m here, why not this… Oh, and this. And umm… this.
Men are statistically way more likely to commit violent and sexual crimes than women (i’m guessing but p sure), sure but um… Would you say “It ain’t white people who are casually killing each other’s gang members”? Gang violence is statistically more likely for people of some races… But would you say that’s a fair statement? And how is it different from your statement?
That’s like 4 people, man, come on. Also, it is DRASTICALLY different, because the differences between the sexes are well documented and easily seen, what are the racial differences that cannot be explained by culture that result in some ethnicities being more dangerous than others? 🤔
Women have to be protected by men FROM other men, across cultures and time. Be real.
The real question is who protects men from women??? Right! Nobody!
Nobody protected me from my wife and now I’m putting on nice clothes and changing my bedsheets more than once every 2 months. 😭
That’s like 4 people, man, come on.
Yeah, it’s 4 people. What’s your point?
what are the racial differences that cannot be explained by culture that result in some ethnicities being more dangerous than others?
Great question. As a latino I have dark skin and brown hair and am therefore better at hiding in the shadows. It’s easier for someone to trip with me in the dark if I’m passed out drunk on the floor, possibly causing innocent people injury. This is a serious risk to society and we should be considered dangerous, especially in situations that involve alcohol.
Tomen have to be protected by men FROM other men
Yes, that’s what men are for. We protect from the other -worse- men and whatever it is their women are telling them they need to do and they’ll fucking blindly do it cause yes we’re that dumb.
But also, can we agree we all have to be protected from assholes and ill meaning people, both women and men. Are bad people usually men? Idk maybe. Physical violence-wise, probably, tbh. Are all assholes men though? No, and I can give you at least 4 examples that prove this, but also, the ways that women with bad intentions get what they want is blatantly obvious to anyone who has met one. They get men to do their dirty work for them. Fell free to ask me for a paper or study on this.
Can’t we just speak of people who do horrible things instead of blanket scapegoating a <demographic>?
And you might say men created the system and men traumatize other men which causes more men to be violent and compete with other men to hurt more women and men… But the weird thing about causality and attribution is that it isn’t a linear path and the story ends wherever you arbitrarily choose it does.
Who were these men raised by? Who are more often than not the partners of these horrible men that allow them to commit their atrocities? If us men are all savages that will never have any sense of morality and are doomed to commit one atrocity after another, surely it’s the responsibility of the humans that aren’t monsters to reduce the harm we inevitably cause by existing. And what do women do in the face of this situation? Keep having sex with and producing more men. Thanks a lot, women… Thanks for not only having sex with the parents of the dudes that bullied me in high school, but also literally bringing them to this world and raising them with evil woman influence that brainwashed them into traumatizing me.
Ok so maybe I went just a little bit overboard but surely you understand my point. Can we not just talk about individuals that do horrible things? Cause if the problem is “men exist”, the solution is easy. Women should just stop having sex with us. No more men. Problem solved in 1 generation. If you wanna be faster you could do like the 4 ladies I linked though.
Wow, you got here? I’m surprised… and flattered tbh. thanks for reading and feel free to somehow imply me having a penis reduces my value as a human being.
For real, though. I’m sorry for all the horrible men. And sure, I
might beam an idiot and have opinions you find repulsive, but I know I’m not the only one genuinely doing the best I can to make the world nicer.From one non-white man to another: you seem like a good hearted person, but I didn’t say all of that and you’re fighting windmills. I wish I could give you a longer reply but I’ve clocked in and I have to work, sadly. Take care, friend. 👋
You too and godspeed.
i have only ever been sexually harassed by male uber drivers. this is a nice feature
I was once harassed pretty horribly by a lady driver.
Long story...
As soon as I got in the car, she handed me her cell phone and told me to put my favorite song on (wtf), not taking no for an answer and not accepting her phone back. While I eventually realized I couldn’t hand her back her phone without a song on, I started looking through Spotify. She started asking very personal and increasingly more intimate questions. The tone was very authoritative too. It felt like she was demanding me to answer.
At first I just gave non answers to, hinting discomfort and lack of interest, but then had to clearly and plainly tell her her questions were making me uncomfortable. She laughed it off, asked why I felt that way and then kept asking things that were completely inappropriate, very bluntly. It was an extremely intense conversation and I felt like I was being interrogated as some kind of weird power trip thing.
Eventually I stopped answering (sometimes I forget conversations are optional), kept quiet for a few questions and I asked some small talk things just to take the focus off my intimate life. I asked how her day had been, how long she Ubered for and what was going on in her life.
Pot twist: Turns out she had just been dumped from the only relationship she had in her life, which had lasted about 8 years. She was basically having a mental breakdown and trying to talk her way out of it in the worst possible way. She may have also been neurodivergent.
I told her about a breakup I had that was horrible and how I eventually bounced back. We then talked about life and what mattered to us. Ended up shaking hands and wishing each other well when she dropped me off.
Does this prove anything? No.
Is it good that people can choose the gender of their driver? Sure, I guess.
What was the point of my story? Erm… Is there a point? i guess maybe sometimes creepiness is just a sensitive person going through some shit? I just wanted to share tbh.
She did harass the shit out of me, despite me never feeling in physical danger next to her (which of course would have made the dynamic completely different), but idk she was also a nice person.
Honestly, there’s no point to my story and I’m not trying to prove anything. I’ve just never talked about this, your comment just brought the memory back and I felt like writing it out.
If you got here, thanks for reading and I’m truly sorry for all the ways you suffer and face terrifying situations I am unable to understand.
I should get some sleep. Have a good one.
So what happens when the rider can’t find a ride because 99% of drivers are men and it’s the middle of the night? We never ask the hard questions, do we? Should sex discrimination in employment be legal? I’ve always felt bad for male masseuses, nurses and childcare providers having to deal with additional scrutiny and having money taken out of their pocket not because of merit but because of gender.
Well they’ll just show the no drivers available screen and give the rider option to widen the search criteria?
That’s not how UberBlack/SUV worked for a while but maybe they’re caught up technologically.
Lyft has been doing it for a while and it seems to work out.
This also boosts demand for women drivers
More women in the gig economy!
You can’t make women want to drive. I get why they wouldn’t want to. Lots of creeps.
This is the exact problem it is trying to solve.
I assume they can still choose male drivers if there are no female ones available.
Maybe you should not be allowed to choose a lady gyno or any other dr too? Or massage therapist? Or therapist in general. Or hair dresser. Or fucking anything else, huh?
Come on…
Maybe we as a society need to be a little more understanding to those working to survive.
If everyone treated each other better, this entire post and thread would not be necessary.
Yeah I like it, men drive faster and better usually. And if you are really late you can ask to speed a little bit. Can we also choose who will cook our food? I find mens cooking much better. Win win overall.
Have a fallback system that informs the user that there are no woman drivers and that it will be choosing a man driver because of that, most likely I think.
The solution to your “hard question” will emerge if you think about it for more than 2 seconds
It really irks me when people change the titles of the articles they link to to try to fit their narrative. Because sadly people dont really click through to the article. Just share the real title and give your commentary on the comments.
Women Preferences Expands Nationwide
The original title only makes sense to people seeing it listed on Uber’s website who are familiar with Uber’s “Women Preferences”. That exact title without modification doesn’t provide enough context for a random post on Lemmy, IMO.
I do agree that it’s annoying when posts change the title in a way that didn’t accurately reflect the linked article, but I don’t think that’s necessarily the case here.
The link isn’t to inform people, it’s to make the title more beleivable.
