• shellsharks@infosec.pubEnglish
    861·
    1 year ago

    I am a pretty heavy “Fediverse user” (Mastodon + Lemmy/Kbin) and my feeds have VERY little Linux talk. There is an incredibly diverse set of folks on the ‘verse but admittedly discoverability is hard. If the only people in your circle are Linux nerds then that’s all that might be boosted into your timeline. Put some effort into finding other folks and unfollow some of the Linux-only voices :-).

    • TORFdot0@lemmy.worldEnglish
      8·
      1 year ago

      I think it’s mostly people viewing the “All”/“Community” feeds. Which I feel like you have to do in general as the niche communities haven’t really gotten to a self sustaining point where you can check your “Home” feed and not run out of stuff to doom scroll.

      Not to mention that if you happened to mention certain things in communities that are tangentially related (Windows/Nintendo/Apple) then it usually starts another off topic discussion on linux/piracy/whatever.

      Honestly the linux stuff doesn’t bother me as much as every topic seemingly turning into a critique of capitalism.

    • baseless_discourse@mander.xyz
      1·
      1 year ago

      I think a good and easy way to discover new people is to follow hashtags.

      I follow couple local pets work-related hobby and urbanism hastags, and I was able to discover new conversation and new people in these space quite quickly.

        • clemdemort@lemmy.world
          7·
          1 year ago

          cat is actually used to concatenate files so if you have two files that you want to merge into a third one you can do

          cat file1 file2 > file3

          Especially useful for cracking old games

            • clemdemort@lemmy.world
              1·
              1 year ago

              I’ve used cat to actually concatenate files a lot to re-assemble old Wii games once they were copied to a SIM card, less than using it to see inside a file though. Maybe cracked isn’t the correct word I’m not English lol.

        • nogrub@lemmy.world
          4·
          1 year ago

          never execute “sudo rm -r / --no-perserve-root” because you whole sytem will be gone edit i forgot the directory

          • Damage@feddit.it
            4·
            1 year ago

            the -delete option in find goes AFTER the expression.

            find -delete [whatever] will delete EVERYTHING in the current directory and below, like rm -rf *

            • Faresh@lemmy.mlEnglish
              3·
              1 year ago

              Huh. I wonder if GNU find should be modified, so that -delete only works when explicitly given a directory.

    • Ooops@kbin.social
      2·
      1 year ago

      The Sway implementation (not Wayland as some DEs seem to run really smoothly) sadly is still completely hit or miss depending on your exact hardware setup. I have two device (both even with nvidia grphics *sigh*) and one of them is just a buggy and flickering mess.

      • Baut [she/her] auf.@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        1·
        1 year ago

        I disagree. Sway is extremely high quality software. Nvidia is a known terrible player with FLOSS software. I hope they will continue their path of recent improvements.

    • ctr1@fl0w.ccEnglish
      21·
      1 year ago

      For a while I would have agreed, and I used sway for years. But recently I switched back to i3 (i3-rounded) due to display issues with my AMD GPU. I started doing most of my development in the TTY, and found that switching from TTY to Wayland takes half a second and can sometimes break my GPU (until I switch between TTY and display a few times). With X11 it’s instant and without issue ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Hoping that gets fixed down the road, or that it’s specific to my GPU.

    • ExLisper@linux.communityEnglish
      76·
      1 year ago

      No, you only should be using Wayland if you need some of it’s features. If you don’t need mixed refresh rate/mixed scaling you’re fine using X.

      • WFH@lemm.eeEnglish
        161·
        1 year ago

        Counter-counterpoint: Wayland is perfectly fine and production ready and has been for several years now, as long as you’re on AMD or Intel GPUs. The nVidia drivers are still undercooked and not ready for proper daily use.

        • redcalcium@lemmy.institute
          7·
          1 year ago

          My desktop crashed three times so far after updating gnome, linux kernel and nvidia driver two days ago. Not sure who’s the culprit, but I’ll blame nvidia by default.

        • dustyData@lemmy.worldEnglish
          4·
          1 year ago

          Does multi-monitor sets work yet? Does it still randomly crashes when logging out? Does it have support for touch monitors already? Is Pipewire support ready? Is the Compose key still broken? Does it handle internationalization better now? Does accessibility software like on screen keyboards and screen readers already work on it?

          I love Wayland, BTW, the more secure ecosystem is a net positive. But we can’t pretend it isn’t a lot of effort for something that has no tangible difference or immediate advantage for the end user, is extra work for developers and currently has a higher potential for errors, malfunctions and missing features that are taken for granted. Again, it’s a worthy endeavor to improve something that already works, but that also means there’s no rush. We can afford to wait.

          • spez@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            41·
            1 year ago

            Does multi-monitor sets work yet?

            Yes.

            Does it still randomly crashes when logging out?

            It hasn’t done that for the 1.5 years that I have been using it for.

            Is Pipewire support ready?

            Yes. It’s so ready that even ubuntu uses it with wayland by default.

            Does it have support for touch monitors already

            Yes. It, in fact, has better support than x org.

            Does it handle internationalization better now?

            I don’t know about the problem with i18n but I don’t think this will affect most users.

            Onscreen keyboard is still a pain to run but maliit works on kde+gnome/wayland. When was the last time you used wayland dude? I am not trying to sound this argumentative. If I do, my apologies but I have been listening to these same points being regurgitated over and over again when they have been fixed long ago.

        • odium@programming.dev
          52·
          1 year ago

          Counter-counter-counterpoint: I have a rtx 3050 and not enough money just lying around to upgrade to an AMD just for Wayland.

          • WFH@lemm.eeEnglish
            62·
            1 year ago

            Still, 100% nVidia’s fault, not Wayland.

            No offense, but your argument is exactly like “electric cars are still undercooked and not ready for proper daily use because I still have to put gasoline in mine and can’t afford one”.

            • russjr08@outpost.zeuslink.netEnglish
              51·
              1 year ago

              Sure, but at the end of the day, for better or for worse, there are going to be tons of people who simply don’t care about whose fault it is - they’re going to want their system to work.

              I was lucky enough that I was finally able to make enough money to swap out my 2080 with a 6700 XT this week (and wow what a significant difference in how the Linux desktop works with AMD cards), but I have plenty of friends who do have Nvidia cards and if they asked me whether they should give Linux a try I’d have to warn them that they’re going to get a subpar experience due to it - and all they’re going to hear despite me saying that it’s Nvidia’s fault is that Linux isn’t good enough.

              So when it comes to Wayland + Nvidia, hopefully Nvidia gets with the program, but otherwise we’re (the Linux community) going to be at a crossroads of whether we want to get more adoption on Linux - Nvidia is not a small market by any means.

              I don’t go and try to proselytize people into coming over to Linux, but there are absolutely plenty of people who do and the mindset of “It’s not Linux’s fault, its X (ha)” isn’t exactly going to work there.

              I get it, you get it, but plenty of people won’t.

              • spez@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                21·
                1 year ago

                I don’t have personal experience with nvidia graphics. How does proprietary work now? I have heard it’s gotten great this last year? Or is it horrible still?

                • odium@programming.dev
                  1·
                  1 year ago

                  I haven’t found any issues except sometimes when I switch to another window out of baldur’s gate 3 and switch back again, baldur’s gate 3 freezes. Not sure if it’s the game not being Linux native or the driver.

            • Samsy@lemmy.ml
              2·
              1 year ago

              Mostly all. At work we have to use teamviewer. Remote from Wayland to others work but you can’t connect from another client to a wayland client. Tried hoptodesk, ruskdesk etc. always the same.

      • spez@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        41·
        1 year ago

        No, unless your use case is very specific (like being an artist needing color calibration/the software you use needs to position a multi-window setup etc. And color calibration is being actively worked on should have basic support in Plasma 6 according to Nate Graham) wayland is pretty much ready for daily use. It does have annoyances but they are getting actively fixed unlike X which is barely maintained and has glaring security issues. Fedora KDE has even decided to completely remove the X server on its 40th release.

        • dustyData@lemmy.worldEnglish
          21·
          1 year ago

          You do know that the people who make Wayland are the exact same people who made and maintained X, right? Like, they are intentionally abandoning X in order to make Wayland, and eventually X will just be actually XWayland as compatibility to transition to only Wayland.

            • dustyData@lemmy.worldEnglish
              31·
              1 year ago

              “Unlike X” doesn’t support your argument. If X11 is barely mantained, is on purpose. X11 and Wayland are not in competition, one is the rewrite of the former. They literally have no rush to push Wayland to main stage until it can do all that X11 does, including the annoying edge use cases. Because if X11 does it and Wayland doesn’t, then people would just continue to use X11. No brainer. They need more time, that’s fine, we can all do with being a bit more nicer and gentler. There’s no rush to push adoption

              • spez@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                21·
                1 year ago

                There is a rush because Red Hat isn’t interested in maintaining wayland anymore. Neither red hat nor Kde/gnome are interested in supporting x org in the long run. For wayland to get better and do the things it currently lacks at it needs a greater user base and that’s why there is a rush by major people in the linux community (kde and fedora for example). Right now its at that there are somethings that wayland can’t do that x org can and somethings that x org can do but wayland can’t. Since wayland is being developed actively and is the future it’s the obvious choice and x org has far more annoying use cases that are just not gonna get fixed “unlike wayland”. Majority of the users shouldn’t have any problems switching to wayland.

      • Destide@feddit.ukEnglish
        11·
        1 year ago

        Lets apply that logic to everything in the linux eco system get rid of BTRFS,Flatpaks,Libadwaita,pipewire…

        • dustyData@lemmy.worldEnglish
          4·
          1 year ago

          Most of those are perfectly ready for every day use without issues today. All are alternatives that bring new features and specific use cases, solving new problems, or solving old problems in innovative ways. Wayland is an active replacement to an existing technology, as the old X is expected to just not exist anymore at some point in the future. BTRFS isn’t intended to replace Ext4 wholesale, Flatpaks doesn’t intend to replace apt/pacman/etc., Pipewire does the same that Pulse and Jack but Pulse and Jack won’t stop existing. Adwaita existing doesn’t mean that you can’t use QT or GTK in your projects. That’s the difference.

          As a result Wayland has the burden to actually fulfill and comply with all the features and use cases that X11 already does, with all the new security improvements on top. That’s a tall order, and until it can do so, it will be undercooked and under adopted, because they set themselves up to that bar, nobody but them is responsible for this. Is the ancient “let’s rewrite from scratch” trap that all dev teams fall on at least once in their lives. It isn’t impossible, but it always takes way longer than the optimist project managers anticipate.

          • WFH@lemm.eeEnglish
            31·
            1 year ago

            Feature parity with X has never been the goal. Because most of X’s features are a legacy of the 80’ and dreadfully obsolete anyway.

            I’m all for maintaining compatibility where it makes sense, but carrying over a 40 years old feature set just in case is the best way to prevent anything from moving forward.

            Wayland can already do or is actively being developed for stuff that is relevant to modern systems: multi-monitor with different refresh rates and scaling, HDR etc. Stuff that X would never dream of.

            • dustyData@lemmy.worldEnglish
              3·
              1 year ago

              Feature parity, maybe not, but use cases, definitely is the goal.

              I’m just saying that if users have to run X compatibility portals to get basic functionality for every day tasks, then something is not fully baked yet. There’s nothing wrong with that. But apparently pointing it out is some sort of herecy.

              • WFH@lemm.eeEnglish
                21·
                1 year ago

                I don’t think it’s heresy, but I always find it funny that an extremely vocal community shits on systemd for being a bloated tentacular monster shat should be abandoned, but praise X for being a bloated tentacular monster.

                In a way, Wayland is much closer to the Unix Philosophy than X. It’s a display protocol, nothing more. Everything else should be implemented by the applications using this protocol. X has grown over the decades to include way too many features and edge cases.

                Translation layers like XWayland are important and extremely useful for the transition period, but shouldn’t be taken as a sign that Wayland is not ready for prime time. If 10% the people shitting on Wayland had instead worked on adding Wayland functionality to their favorite apps (that includes you fuckers at nVidia), the transition would have ended years ago.

  • murph@lemmy.sdf.org
    22·
    1 year ago

    Your Mastodon feed will be entirely about who the people you follow are talking about, so follow different people, (or hashtags) and the conversation will change.

    • HubertManne@kbin.social
      3·
      1 year ago

      yeah, not sure if its a mastadon thing but im coming out of kbing and I don’t see very much linux stuff and im subscribed to several magazines. Not that the linux stuff is not there but there are tons of other things to. If I was not subscribed I would likely not see it at all.

      • atocci@kbin.social
        1·
        1 year ago

        I browse All a lot and right now, without doing any scrolling and just looking at the top 6 posts on All that fit on my monitor, 2 of them are about Linux lol

  • SokathHisEyesOpen@lemmy.mlEnglish
    15·
    1 year ago

    I’ve been wondering if we’re losing users. My “Everything” feed sorted by Active is full of posts with zero comments, and a great deal of them are just news article links that were probably automated.

    • Rentlar@lemmy.ca
      10·
      1 year ago

      Active is kind of a lackluster sorting method imo, Hot is awesome bc you get fresh posts (like Trending on that other site) aside from a couple 3M old posts that show up, Top 6h, 12h, Day are good too. New comments is cool if you want well engaged posts.

      • SokathHisEyesOpen@lemmy.mlEnglish
        4·
        1 year ago

        Thanks for the recommendation. I assumed active meant people were engaging, but I guess up-dooting counts as engagement.

    • trash80@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      4·
      1 year ago

      a great deal of them are just news article links that were probably automated

      And many of those are reposts.

    • oldfart@lemm.ee
      3·
      1 year ago

      Yeeeah just after Reddit died all kinds of people were there, now it’s just the usual Linux users and the scripts creating fake traffic

    • plague-sapiens@lemmy.world
      2·
      1 year ago

      I recently joined lemmy, because fuck reddit. And that’s the first thing I saw. Lots of posted articles without comments. What do I do to combat that? Posting comments xD

      • SokathHisEyesOpen@lemmy.mlEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        I’ve found a lot of user generated posts here to contribute to, but the article thing has started occurring more often recently.

  • Worstdriver@lemmy.world
    141·
    1 year ago

    Used Ubuntu Linux for a year back around '08-'09. Didn’t have a great experience and went back to Windows. Since then I’ve never had a reason to try it again. That said, I’ve nothing but respect for those that use a flavour of Linux or Mac OS. At the end of the day doing the things you need done is what matters and if a different OS than mine gets you there, that’s awesome.

    • nihilist_hippie@lemmy.ca
      4·
      1 year ago

      I’ve tried to switch to Linux multiple times since 2008. Usually Ubuntu. I’ve even tried Linux Mint. I can never commit to the switch, I always get buggy behavior, crashes, hardware incompatibility, lack of apps (FL Studio, Adobe, WeChat for PC, etc). There are also dozens of tiny issues, like the sensitivity of the mouse/scroll wheel that feels different from Windows, even after adjusting the relevant settings. Also, for volume adjusting, the volume slider doesn’t make a sound when you change the volume level, unlike on Windows. How is it that not a single Linux distro includes this functionality? I am totally comfortable working in a Terminal if I have to, but every time I follow a terminal walkthrough I get errors; I search the error messages online and I get reading threads talking about bugs that are a decade old, there is never a solution. I am so jealous of people who can immerse themselves in Linux, I just can’t do it. I need my stuff to work out of the box, and for 15 years and many attempts to switch, it has never been the case. I can’t tell if I’m not smart enough, or I just rely too heavily on proprietary software, or I don’t want to dedicate the time to manually fixing problems with terminal commands and scripts.

      • avapa@lemmy.world
        2·
        1 year ago

        The KDE desktop environment definitely plays a sound when you change the volume. I use my Logitech G Pro X wireless headset on Linux and Windows and just change the volume using the dial on the unit and it behaves the same way in both OS.

        Though, to be fair, I do share some of the frustrations you mention. I’m mostly on Apple products apart from my two desktop PCs (one is Linux/Windows dual-boot, one is Linux only) which I own solely for gaming purposes and some hobbyist programming. I usually try to get non-Linux native applications running but if it proves to be too much of a hassle I simply boot into Windows or use my MacBook. I like to treat Linux as somewhat of a hobby and I totally understand that most people would rather have something that “just works”, especially when it comes to proprietary creative applications like the Adobe suite or DAWs. That being said, it’s extremely exciting to see the massive strides Linux on the desktop has made in the last couple of years. It has come a looooong way, honestly; especially for gaming. And I always support open-source projects/foundations - I’m donating to KDE/Arch/Wikipedia on a monthly basis - because I believe in the core values and advantages of FOSS and other community-driven foundations even though I’m far from a Richard Stallman.

      • nayminlwin@lemmy.ml
        1·
        1 year ago

        This is the reason I have a lot of respect for people who are not in IT or Tech field, career wise, but still managed to deep dive into linux.

        Even will all the ease of access that the current linux ecosystem offer, linux still is a tinkerer’s OS. You have to deep dive into the basics for some problem. That’s hard, even for someone with tech background.

    • dansity@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      3·
      1 year ago

      I’m in and out with linux for the last few years. It really boils down what do you want to do on your PC. If you are into online gaming or you need some specialized software for your work you are pretty much better stay on windows. However for general use its awsome. I have replaced many of my software even on windows to foss tools. There is a small learning curve and you will certainly need the terminal in the beginning but overall not terrible. For me it was a pleasant experience seeing mostly everything works without effort. The two most popular desktops (KDE and Gnome) are fairly polished and you question a lot of things in windows after using them. In general using linux a bit gives you a new perspective on how to use a PC.

      • cosmicboi@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        Depends which games. I play Metal Gear Solid V, and it works almost flawlessly, aside from minor audio issues when objects in the game world move very fast (using a balloon to forcibly yank a downed enemy out of the combat zone creates a quieter than expected noise)

        Other than that, it works very well :)

  • ZMonster@lemmy.world
    153·
    1 year ago

    Self hosting, at least for lemmy, is absolute trash. I have been told a few times when asking questions that, “it is expected that you are thoroughly experienced with Linux” to be able to follow the mediocre guides. And they are trash if you are a newbie.

    So people like me, who would love to use Lemmy for non Linux things, am posting almost entirely about Linux problems.

    • zeppo@lemmy.worldEnglish
      181·
      1 year ago

      I wouldn’t expect running a publicly accessible server on the internet to be easy or a great idea for someone not familiar with the OS they’re using. Great way to learn, though.

      • Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works
        7·
        1 year ago

        Yeah I’ve got a proxmox cluster and I’ve been using Linux for decades but I wouldn’t dare host something that a LOT of users are going to access. I don’t know nearly enough about netsec and I can guarantee my vlan practices probably aren’t perfect, etc.

        • Nobsi@feddit.de
          2·
          1 year ago

          I have a solution for you. Just don’t have your Internet facing things on the same /24 as your home stuff. Why vlan if you can just separate them by network and switch.

          Or: just do it anyways. I learned most shit after everything broke. Not before.

    • Thann@lemmy.mlEnglish
      14·
      1 year ago

      If you never used windows before and were trying to do something complicated like self hosting on it, you would be having nothing but issues…

      • Nobsi@feddit.de
        1·
        1 year ago

        Not really. There’s tutorials for everything and most of them still work 20 years later.
        vs you installed ubuntu 20 and now youre trying to follow a 16 tutorial.

    • the_q@lemmy.world
      62·
      1 year ago

      The Linux community as a whole has a real problem with being snobs to new users.

    • Gabagoolzoo@kbin.social
      4·
      1 year ago

      Would recommend using Docker (container) and Caddy (reverse proxy) to self-host as a newbie, streamlines everything and only basic Linux knowledge required (although you do have to learn Docker commands).

      • ashe@lemmy.starless.oneEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        It’s not, the codebase is mostly rust and compiled+run with cargo. TLS and all that stuff isn’t included in the integrated web server, but reverse-proxying it really isn’t difficult

    • WashedOver@lemmy.ca
      2·
      1 year ago

      Yet another new one I’ve not heard about. I’m in the Linux gang barely as I mostly run Mint these days. So I’m Windozes adjacent but in Linux it seems…

      • Gabagoolzoo@kbin.social
        2·
        1 year ago

        It’s a barebones window manager (WM). Emphasis on a “tiling” window philosophy (windows by default do not overlap and open side-by-side) and keyboard-centric workflow which is great for programming. Most of the “Unix porn” posts you see are on a WM because they are highly customizable.