Yeah, it’s fucking ridiculous that a corporate account has a user-upsell ad/button one MUST hit to access the basic settings for the program.
One that admins can’t even disable, it’s bizarre.
You can actually. You have to disable self service licensing for that specific license
It’s fucking wild to me that anyone ever convinced anyone in enterprise to shift to cloud and SaaS offerings in the first place.
You really thought it would be cheaper forever to give all your IT to someone else? You didn’t think you were getting captured?
You thought it was a good idea to store all your data on someone else’s servers, who have control over access to your information and, in most cases, can probably read it? And that if they raised prices or did something you didn’t like such as analysis or AI training on it, you weren’t completely held hostage by this?
It didn’t set off alarm bells that all the SaaS stuff seemed less featureful and more buggy?
That every workstation was now a recurring subscription?
That you now have to pay extra to get different software to interact with each other?
You thought there would never be any downtime? You thought if there was that you would make up the cost by contractual discounts?
It’s a good goddamn thing that I didn’t know how fucking stupid adults were when I was a kid or I’d have been scared for my fucking life for so many more years.
They wanted somebody else to be ultimately liable for problems, not themselves.
They wanted less headcount, especially amongst employees that are more intelligent than they are.
They wanted to handle things via gladhandling and ‘business negotiations’, not actual strategy snd design.
And it doesn’t help that actually running your own working mail server in 2026 is a fucking ball-ache. Especially if you don’t want every big provider to mark all your mail as spam. Email has been captured by big tech.
Even people who self host a lot of stuff usually don’t bother with it.
For me it’s the security side of self-hosting anything connected to the internet. Keeping on top of all the security updates is a chore.
No one ever gets fired for buying IBM or Microsoft. I remember years ago I put together a plan for all opensourced, mature software on Linux hosts for my company. Would have saved us 6 figures in coats. They went with microsoft’s crappy solution instead because it was Microsoft.
What was your Boss’ feedback? Why didn’t he/she like your recommendation? I’m going to guess a major constraint was too many sources for software.
Basically, if they went with IBM and it broke, its IBM’s fault
If they went open source and it broke, its our fault for picking it.
I mean, they are probably running RedHat or Debian on their servers anyway, so if it’s reliable enough for them, then it’s reliable enough for clients.
Liability for one’s product actually means something to IBM/Microsoft/etc. instead of some guy on github.
It was very odd at my company. We were a Google Workspace company. Gmail, Meet, Drive, etc with our own servers for messaging, gitlab and some other things.
Sure being Google based isn’t great either, but generally people were fine with it. Then the C suite said we were moving to Microsoft. Lots and lots of complaining, asking for justification, but no reason was given (not even cost). Today people are still cursing teams 18months later. We’re not in control of our own data (things get deleted every time somebody leaves, and permissions are generally a mess).
The crazy part is how many companies still have IT with servers and support anyways. I have seen it first hand where I work. We have an extensive IT department but also rely heavily on cloud services for all office work. It turns into a poor experience when there’s a work laptop issue because local IT doesn’t support it and Slop services are slop.
“Microsoft Teams users are extremely angry” is the standard feeling when using that product.
I think most Teams users would only pay not to use it
What’s better than Teams?
Not being on Microslop’s ecosystem.
More seriously, it depends on what exact part you want. Matrix + Jitsi work for chats and calls, though they are a little shaky (but so is Teams sometimes, I don’t much see the downsides). Calendar apps are
a dimefree a dozen.What other tools often lack is the direct between multiple services. You’d have to manually link a NextCloud directory in the Matrix chat, bevause it doesn’t have a near seamless sharepoint integration.
The upside is independence: You can migrate between hosts, or host your own instances of NextCloud and Matrix, entirely within your (virtual) private network. And those are just services I can name off the top of my head, odds are there are plenty of other good solutions.
Slack isn’t great, but at least a few years ago it was much, much better than Teams
I wasn’t a fan of Slack. Plus it was only communication.
I’m also not a fan of Slack, but it doesn’t break new things every week while also putting ads in your face, so that’s a plus.
Teams is also only communication.
microslop: speedrunning their demise.
This is what I think of when I think of Teams: a mish-mashed pile of garbage where each individual component belongs to a different team. And nobody has any idea what any other team is doing.
This has been there for years. I forgot exactly what the reason was but the banner is part of the self service feature that lets users purchase software on their own instead of billing the org. For some reason the setting to disable this was put in the teams admin center instead of the 365 one causing it to popup for users who’d previously disabled this. Its such an old issue im not sure why this is being written about now. Also majority of the people complaining arent teams customers, they’re teams users and the enterprise is the customer. As a microcuck admin this doesnt even make a blip on my radar for bad things. I see this and im like at least its not a full screen pop up.
Yeah I reported this to our IT department a few weeks ago, asking if there was something wrong with my configuration, since surely we have an enterprise version.
Disgusting.
How come Microslop is fucking up at every front?
Fuck Microsoft
gotta ask copilot to make a perpetual crack
Is there an alternative to Microsoft Teams?
Proton Meet
Slack, but I have heard that it has gone downhill as well.
This isn’t new. I’ve seen similar banners in the past few years. And I complained to our IT team or my manager both times.
Other than it being M$ slop, what are the problems with it functionally?
I used to work at a place that has been using Skype group chats (lol) and just a couple weeks before that client left (call center, got moved to working a different company) they switched to Teams for group chat.
Now we only used a team wide group text chat and the supervisors would have separate chats for individual workers.
But the only thing I remember about it was that the emojis weren’t animated like Skype and that the color of the UI looked kinda like the Discord default.
They are now animated
The problem is that they kept on forcing stuff into it till it became a bloated monster.
When teams was the replacement for Skype, it was pretty much just that, a chat and call app.
Now you have chats, calls, teams that are automatically their own SharePoint (not to confuse with the SharePoint sites themselves), contacts, calendar (synct with outlook, but completely different ui and functions), planner (not to confuse with to-do, stuff in the planer can show up in to-do, but not vice versa), power automate integration, power apps integration (that only work half the time cause of missing user rights), OneNote integration (at least that one still has its own app), and a plethora of different apps you can link.
The files in the individual teams take ages to load, the UI changes every few days for the sake of it, basic features break for no apparent reason, calls randomly don’t connect, sound in and output breaks repeatedly.
Its a slow and cluncky mess of different apps tacked onto each other, just so MS can say that they have an app for that instead of forcing you to use the browser interface.
I have no idea what one note it share point are, but that sounds hellish.
