See you in a year or 2.
Play as old as times:
- Company announces garbage change
- People freak out
- Company says ok we will only do half of the garbage
- People calm down and forget
- Company later does the rest of the garbage
- Nobody cares because half of it is already there
100% Microslop.
Are you implying that CA regulators do exactly what disgusting corporations do?!? I am shocked sir!
Technology makes everything cheaper, including changing minds.
At some points it was unfeasible to abuse consumers because they’d object. Now, if it’s on a large enough scale and valuable enough, you can just pay to convince the majority of them that it’s fine.
The principle that Bullshit, sprayed around often enough, becomes Air Freshener.
also known as TESTING the waters, gauging public response. so they can adapt under a different scheme.
Plucking the goose with a minimum of hissing.
This isn’t exactly it.
First or isn’t a company or is the government. 2nd, that legislation is just plain dumb and open source systems like Linux, BSD can’t comply with it, even if they wanted to.
The whole law should be repealed though. They use children as excuse, bit it is about surveillance.
Tbh, this is just a massive stack of misguidedness.
First, look at what the original law does:
- OS needs to know the age.
- OS itself doesn’t do anything with the age
- OS needs to provide the age to apps and services asking for it
- Apps and services need to block content based on the age provided with the OS
- If the OS doesn’t provide an age, apps and services have to block as if the user was a toddler
Removing the requirement for the OS to provide an age doesn’t change anything at all, because someone running an OS that doesn’t provide an age will just be blocked everywhere. That’s not a solution, that’s a joke to appease idiots who don’t know what the law does.
This is just as misguided as the backlash against systemd who added an age field to the user account to allow people to be still able to access age-restricted content.
The actually relevant part that people should be combatting is the requirement for apps and services to do age verification using the OS-provided age. The OS age field doesn’t matter.
Fuck age verification, fuck it all to hell. Not for Linux or any other OS or device.
Agree but would rather it be enforced at the OS level than per app or site. My kid just told me she uploaded her photo to some game she plays which sucks.
How about neither. We don’t need it.
On most phones/pcs, you have tools to restrict what your kid can or can’t do. I don’t know the specific OS this has happened on, but you can probably limit downloads, timegate specific apps so that they can only play them when you’re around, or maybe even deny camera access to some.
How about they spend their time revamping parental controls instead? The age gate stuff is clear about user data collection and nothing else.
It’s being exempt because the Government can’t enforce this requirement on FOSS. Linux isn’t managed by a corporation and I don’t think people realize this yet.
I mean they could force big corpo to not allow anyone who can’t verify age to use their services.
This is sponsored by meta to push the age requirement tracking onto the os rather than Facebook directly to avoid liability when under age kids access harmful content
Which is insane, as the OS doesn’t have any way to authoritatively measure the user’s age and so they have to be ‘honor system’ where the age is whatever the user says the age is, or require some online account with identity validation, which is what facebook tries to do anyway.
You can’t force it on any Linux distro, but on everybody who has to give a shit about compliance.
Red Hat is the biggest power on Linux.
The most pedophilic government in history desperately needs to know if your children are on the computer
… For reasons
California’s government is not synonymous with the federal government.
Install a router/device based content filter if you need to block children from accessing porn.
Considering things that are, or could be considered as, porn are everywhere from Reddit to Wikipedia, that doesn’t fix the issue. But I agree, this is something for parents to deal with, not legislation.
It has nothing to do with children at all.
TV on wall aggregates and displays daily web data for each device?
Wild they still play the “think of the children” card while ignoring the Epstein files.
Oh they’re still thinking about them.
Won’t somebody please think of the children!?
No, not like that!
While masturbating furiously.
This will make finding children much easier for Palantir and its pedo owners. They could even identify more susceptible children more easily.
I guess, California is killing Windows without knowing.
For a moment I freaked out that they were only gonna exclude Linux and not open source in general but it seems they exclude based on the license based on this article which is a good thing. The dozens of OpenBSD and FreeBSD users may rest safely now
The proposed amendment specifically states: “Operating system provider” does not mean a person or entity that distributes an operating system or application under license terms that permit a recipient to copy, redistribute, and modify the software.
That’s one way to encourage people to move to open source software
Imagine if that made MicroSlop and Apple open-source Windows and Mac OS. That would be a wild world.
So they’re basically admitting that they don’t need this for any computer since if you don’t need it for open source why would you need it for closed source? You think kids don’t know how to download and install linux? If I could do it with floppies and a book in the 90s then kids today can do it with a USB image and LLM assistance.
But in reality they’ll probably just wait for a few years and try and push it through again like how they do with most shitty legislation.
You think kids don’t know how to download and install linux?
Yes. I think most kids don’t know how to download linux. Just the same as I think most adults don’t know how to do it. It doesn’t matter if it’s actually easy. That’s not the question. The question is if people know how to do it.
Just the same I don’t think they know how to download a non-google based browser.
It’s not about difficulty. It’s about desire to do so. I’ve heard pancakes are very easy to make. I have no desire to make pancakes. I’m 42 and have never made pancakes. I know there’s eggs and flour, and a bowl. I’d have to learn. And to learn, I have to want to learn. And that all goes back to having desire to learn.
Necessity is the mother of innovation. And right now, 90% of the population do not give a damn about which os they use. They just call it “the facebook machine”, and it’s their cell phone.
Desktop across all platforms is dying. Windows 11 sucks. The ram costs are making everything unobtainable. The vast majority don’t even know there is a different way. They just pull out their cell phone, check their tiktok and whatever else, and they go about their day.
At this point three people have desktops. Gamers, hobbyists, and people who need them for work.
So yeah. I DO think most people have zero clue that you can install linux from a usb. I also think most people have never heard of linux.
I wish I still knew where this comic was. It was two geologists, and they’re discussing how the common man must surely know of the starter rocks that everybody knows. Then they start listing a bunch of crystals and rocks nobody has ever heard of before. And they say “oh, and obviously everybodys heard of (insert rock you’ve never heard of)” and his coworker says “well obviously”.
Completely unaware that what seems common to them is completely unknown to everyone else. I really feel like about 30-50% of linux users have that mentality about PCs. They have a PC. They find Linux easy. Therefore it IS easy, and everybody on earth can use linux.
For some of you, you don’t see the failure of that logic, while the rest of you are cringing right now.
Necessity is the mother of invention. If you put enough roadblocks in the way these kids will learn same as we did. The only difference is they’ll have an LLM and youtube videos to learn what they need instead of BBS, IRC, and books like we used. Kids know how to search the web. They might not know what they don’t know but as soon as they search “how do i browse the web without my computer telling on me” and linux comes up then they’ll fall down the rabbit hole. It’s like you think these kids exist in bubbles.
You’re placing a lot of "if"s in there, and treating them as if they’re already true.
If you put enough roadblocks in the way these kids will learn same as we did.
Roadblocks to what? To using a pc? What makes you think kids WANT to use a PC at all? Is the roadblock getting to access the internet? Because there’s no roadblocks for that. They have cell phones. Thats what they know the internet as, and they’re accessing it just fine. Is the roadblock privacy? You think kids who take out their cell phones in public, and record them and their friends, and anyone walking by in the background, as they dance the newest trendy dance, to upload to tiktok, are worried about privacy?
And yes, I do think everyone lives in a bubble. Some people live in the same bubble. Most people live in multiple bubbles.
Did you know the Cleveland Cavaliers have lost the first 3 games in a 7 game series against the NY Knicks? Probably not. I live in Cleveland. It’s all anybody in this bubble is talking about. I don’t even like basketball, but right now everyone in the Cleveland sports bubble is losing their shit. I imagine outside of Cleveland nobody gives a shit.
Your bubble seems to be linux. You think linux is more prominant than it is. Right now desktop linux is at a 5% highest ever user base. It has nothing to do with people ditching windows. It has nothing to do with privacy concerns. It has everything to do with Valve making huge progress towards gaming on linux. People are taking their old “not good enough for windows” pcs, and suddenly their gaming lifespan covers more.
Because again. Nobody is saying linux is bad. What it does, it does well if you know what you’re doing. What I’m saying is nobody cares about any of that until they have a desire to use a pc, that isn’t windows. Most people are just ditching pcs completely because for watching youtube, and browsing facebook, and recording tiktoks, why do you need anything more than a low end cell phone? Why buy a pc during a time when prices are sky high, when they get what they need from the thing already in their pocket?
I wish I still knew where this comic was. It was two geologists, and they’re discussing how the common man must surely know of the starter rocks that everybody knows.
You’re thinking of XKCD 2501: Average Familiarity:
On your last point: I think that’s why Colorado should do a referendum. If we collect enough signatures the passed law goes to the ballot and the citizens can reject it. We can also collect signatures to get a constitutional amendment on the ballot to ban some of the most invasive age/identity verification going forward.
We neee more backlash on things.
Yes we ou.
Wao, I am gladly surprised by this. I would have never thought this would be possible, yet here we are.
California software companies have serious lobbying power.
I mean… yeah. OpenAI is a California software company and it’s the biggest lobbying force behind the age verification bills.
Does this not just defeat the purpose of this bill? My god the people are so fucking stupid.
It would still affect Apple, Microsoft, and Google.
Yes but why is Linux special? You force all to comply or none to comply, that’s why these people are fucking stupid.
That’s the thing. Linux isn’t special. It is open source oses and applications where you have license to modify and redistribute.
Probably because the law makers realized how hard this would be to enforce for open source.
This would also mean that applications that are just source available would not get this exemption since the user is not typically allowed to redistribute.
More like the corpo fucks pushing this realized it would hurt them more than benefit them.
The entire idea of this shit is trash pushed by corpos and gambling sites to deflect from the evil they are doing to humanity.
