cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/48806122
A license verification certificate expires and when it expires, Microsoft Office for Mac assumes it’s unlicensed even if it has been fully paid for.
So, any idiot who paid for Office 2019 for Mac “perpetual” will lose access to it next month.
The same will happen with Office 2021 and Office 2024 in the future.
Pirates are unaffected, only who paid for the product gets punished
Good job 👍🏻
Idiots?
I’m not one of them, but what makes them idiots? Seems kind of uncalled for.
It just wouldn’t be a lemmy post without a smug sense of superiority.
Agreed. I don’t know if this is the term for it, but I’ve been thinking of all this as “signaling disrespect,” a deliberate attempt to make people think of their peers as lesser, as other.
I feel like either people have been conditioned to do this online all the time for some reason, or maybe there’s some directed attack against civility. I don’t know. But I refuse to let myself be affected by it. I won’t hate people.
I suppose you’re right, in certain communities.
Seems like you feel superior to them
I suppose they call them idiots because they trusted microslop’s “eternal” definition and even paid for it when there are FOSS alternatives?
That’s what I’m thinking
I bought the win version, because I have a five year old win 10 computer I’m using until win 10 is no longer supported, and I can’t get office for free anymore.
When win 10 is no longer supported, that’s a Linux computer.
Would I be an idiot, if they cancelled support for mine? I guess so. I’m waiting for some edgelord to tell me I am, probably accompanied by y0u sH00d jUsT g0 LinUx n0w
Yeah, no rush.
Come on over to the Linux side when it suits you. You’re welcome to the family when you’re ready and that computer is ready. 🤟
Certainly will be, this is definitely the last windows I’m running. Cheers.
It was my sons school computer and it’s running education which for win 10 I have been happy with. One son has ditched win 11 and is running Bazzite now. The other is wound back to win 10 I think, but he’ll move
I’m in the process of deciding which distro to move on; I manage my sons NDIS so that’s front and centre; security of federal government records and claims.
They probably still came out ahead with 7 years of use without paying subscriptions to Microsoft.
Still not what they paid for though. 😐
I’m not one of them, but what makes them idiots? Seems kind of uncalled for.
It’s obviously a play on the common phrase that the honest guy ends up being the idiot. Not because the honest guy is stupid but because the honesty ends up backfiring. It’s used all the time in video game DRM contexts.
It was obviously not obvious to me, but okay. I’ll take your word for it. 🙃
From the OP of the original post: https://lemmy.ml/comment/26214965
Getting a Post not found on that one.
Weird. Works fine for me. Here’s the text:
Disclaimer: I wrote “idiot” to describe someone who paid for the product not because they’re actually idiots, but it’s because Microsoft is treating them like that: their official solution on the website is “simply subscribe to the latest and greatest or buy a new “perpetual” license to office 2024 to continue using what you paid for”
Ah okay, thank you for pasting that in for me.
I see, that makes sense, then. It was a bit hard to know that it was from that perspective. 😅
I think it’s just sarcastic
How is it sarcastic? I don’t get it, please explain, and please explain how that makes it better somehow.
It’s sarcastic because you obviously aren’t an idiot for buying a lifelong license to a product.
If anything most of the time it’s supposed to be the right choice (I’m only talking about licenced product, not ownership).
Especially if it’s a tool you use regularly.
At no point these people where supposed to “know better and not buy this”. Microsoft just did a rugpull.
I wasn’t aware of all the bullshit these companies were doing back in 2019, but I recall it wasn’t full blown enshittification yet.
For your second ask, it doesn’t make it better or lesser, it just adds shock value, engagement baiting.
You’re presenting an argument here which is purely based on logic. I think OP is not sarcastic, but actually believes people are idiots for simply buying Microsoft products. They are just being elitist. That’s my interpretation.
Could (hopefully) be wrong though! If OP gives another explanation I’m sure that’ll be true.
Anyone who pays to install software from a spyware company is incredibly naive to say the least
Must be like the vast majority of everyone alive that uses some kind of tech these days, then. 🤷♂️ I just felt like the title is over the top a little bit. If it had been in a comment it would’ve made me react less for some reason. 😄
I get it. You’re absolutely right it doesn’t make them idiots. Even I’m being hyperbolic to an extent. The real issue is much bigger and doesn’t stop at Microsoft. I get why people feel so powerless and end up going along with the status quo. Really, the fact that we’ve allowed it is more of a reflection on our collective Idiocracy.
It’s only morning here but I feel like this comment is the best interaction online I’m gonna have today.
Great response. And not because you agree with me but because it was even way more insightful than what I said.
Have a good one, friend. 🫶
Disabled or pirated are not the only options:
^ This. Easy to get, easy to install, works like a charm and the license is “perpetual” you won’t need bother with it ever again.
The last Mac I put this on was determined not to let me change doc files to open with it no matter what I did. It would change it for individual files only, but not the file type. Maybe because it was m1 or something.
Somewhat loaded headline
It’s an appeal directly to the thriving community of intellectual property pirates here on Lemmy in order to make the post directly to the front page.
It can sometimes be annoying when news communities require posts to use an article’s original headline, but it definitely makes sense at times.
Like this time
You think so? I only see an acurate representation oft reality
Victim-blaming is the real stupidity here. Microsoft harasses its customers (again) and now the customers are the idiots?
This is the same type of propaganda Nvidia is trying to push. Jensen Huang saying “people should have planned better, the rising prices of hardware was imminent” is the exact same tactic of being the cause of the problem and still putting the blame of everyone else.
imo it was sarcasm
Well, you’re not wrong, but who the heck buys a “perpetual” license for a Microsoft product unless it’s for a company? And especially why pay for stupid boost water office if you could have libre for free?
If it’s not stupidity then at least ignorance. Doesn’t mean Microsoft is an arse for doing that.
who the heck buys a “perpetual” license for a Microsoft product
Office used to always be a perpetual license, so nearly average person that needed an office suite bought one.
Doesn’t change my point. Why pay for it? Either just use it for free or get libreoffice. If I pay a thing from a corpo like MS, behavior like that is totally to be expected. Why even be surprised?
It’s different for the average person, they don’t usually know about alternatives and are fine paying for software from a company like MS.
But isn’t that just the definition of ignorance? I just do something I know nothing about and also don’t care to inform myself beforehand?
Like me going to the garage with my car. They could tell me whatever they want and I have to believe it. That is ignorance I pay with probably spiced up bills of things I never needed.
Idk what reason youd have to buy that and its honestly irrelevant. Just because a company is known for being shit doesnt mean we should just accept it and start calling people stupid when they get fucked over.
“Oh you decided to get treatment from USA Medicality Corp. Inc. and they killed you and your entire family. Damn youre such an idiot theyve been killing families for years!” is a bad take if you ask me. The company should be held liable for their actions.
I never paid for a single Microsoft product.
I get your point but why is ignorance to be accepted but corpo behavior isn’t? I mean sure, fuck MS for that, but who is really surprised by a US-company enshittifying their already bad crap? Can only be people who don’t really know what they’re doing there. Which is ignorance.
Your example kinda lacks in the regard that everyone needs insurance but noone needs Microsoft office. Otherwise same point (assuming there’d be a good free healthcare alternative): if you died because you’re ignorant to the things that matter in this world, and you refused to educate or inform yourself beforehand… Well?
If I leave my front door wide open, I can’t be surprised when someone comes in and robs me blind. Just because I don’t know burglaries exist.
The example was mostly a shitpost but it got the point across. And yes, ignorant/stupid people will always exist, en-masse actually. For varying reasons, be it cultural, education, emotional, religious or just pure ignorance, people end up in shit because they have different outlooks, needs and experiences. The reasons seldom matter to me since its usually not the victim that actively tries to end up in the shitter but the perpetrator that actively attempts to exploit them.
Luckily companies arent people, no matter how much US government wants them to be. They should, to the nit-pickiest of levels, be restricted by the law and punished when they break it.
Victim-blaming to me seems inherently ignorant in itself. How does one even come up with the idea of blaming someone whos the victim of the crime? No matter how ignorant or naive they seem. And especially when its from a well-known shit company like Microslop?
since its usually not the victim that actively tries to end up in the shitter but the perpetrator that actively attempts to exploit them.
Fair point. I stand corrected. Guess I wash a bit too harsh in judgement.
Victim-blaming to me seems inherently ignorant in itself. How does one even come up with the idea of blaming someone whos the victim of the crime?
Touché. That was indeed ignorant of me.
I’m not sure I’m cool with calling people ‘idiots’ in this scenario. We don’t blame the victims of con men when they’re stolen from, and this is the same thing, just on a bigger scale.
That said, here is the obligatory linking to LibreOffice: https://www.libreoffice.org/
It’s free and a better choice.
i read it as sarcasm, i would write it like that, especially if i was one of them
I read it as someone kinda being a dick, but it’s the Internet. Meaning isn’t always well-conveyed electronically. That’s why we have the sarcasm tag.
Had you gone as far as the article you would have seen the disclaimer that makes it clear it’s sarcasm.
I did.
The title of the article is ‘Microsoft is disabling Office 2019 for Mac next month’, which makes it pretty clear that the editorializing of the title here on Lemmy was intended to be a bit dickish, at least to me.
If I am wrong, cool, but it’s not because I didn’t look at the article.
They mean that when it was originally posted on the db0 Lemmy piracy community, there was a disclaimer to say it was sarcasm
Well, maybe they should have clicked through to the article.
/s
We need to quit focusing on stuff like this. If somebody calls you a fucking idiot so fucking what?
And we do blame the victims constantly. The people that blame the victims do nothing but fucking win.
And some of us ARE idiots, no need to throw us under the bus, it’s still wrong to take advantage of stupid people
And for anyone who says in excel I can create a spreadsheet sheet that does this amazing company defining process, I’ll counter that with you can make a calculator in Minecraft. Just because you can doesn’t mean you should.
Not surprised in the least. It’s all about maintaining incoming cash flow.
They cancelled my Win11 (from purchased Win10 eligible upgrade) key earlier this year when I replaced a failed motherboard.
Happy to be free of their ecosystem. Should have jumped free long ago.
Welcome to the other side. Breathe the free air again
Thanks! Still having some problems with sound popping, but had that under Windows. >.<
Which distro? I had a similar issue
Mint. I’ve gotten the popping/crackling to a minimum, but it’s still happening occasionally. (Oddly it happens most often with games that have sound disabled both by OS and via in game)
It was annoying enough I saved it, I highly recommend starting some sort of docs setup so future you can remember how you fixed things. This fixed it for me, granted I was on pop but both Ubuntu based so same layers underneath.
Audio Crackling
You can fix this by increasing the minimum audio buffer size, which, in turn, will increase the overall audio latency.
It’s not good for real-time professional audio recording, but it won’t hurt the general gaming and multimedia experience unless you use a very high value to the point it leads to a noticeable desync with video. Test with a greater minimum quantum
This takes effect immediately, but it won’t persist across reboots.
This worked for me
pw-metadata -n settings 0 clock.min-quantum 2048Increasing the minimum quantum permanently
The default is 1024.
cat << EOF > ~/.config/pipewire/pipewire.conf.d/fix-crackle.conf context.properties = { default.clock.min-quantum = 2048 } EOF systemctl --user restart pipewire wireplumberYou can revert this by just deleting the file. Alternative method
This will improve the handling of low-latency audio at the expense of overall higher CPU usage and with that, power usage.
sudo kernelstub -a threadirqs reboot
So far, so good. Thanks much for this!
Of course, welcome to the Linux community!
This is pretty wild to see. Based on Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Microsoft_Office
Some people could have purchased this as late as early October 2021.
If companies are going to literally steal things from the user, then why would I buy anything from them in the future?
This is a clear sign to everyone to not buy anything from Microsoft moving forward, because they clearly think they can just take it back at any time.
OOP’s comment on the original post that the cross-poster should have shared:
Disclaimer: I wrote “idiot” to describe someone who paid for the product not because they’re actually idiots, but it’s because Microsoft is treating them like that: their official solution on the website is “simply subscribe to the latest and greatest or buy a new “perpetual” license to office 2024 to continue using what you paid for”
That’s not how words work
Victim blaming is definitely how you win people to your side… Dumbass
Seem to have worked for this fucking shitty ass president. And his shitty ass fucking party. And I’ll be honest it seems to work for every major corporation.
The victim blaming definitely works, Just ask anybody who was raped.
classic Micro$lop
Not even worth pirating when there are better open source alternatives.
Yet another reason to stick with LibreOffice and other FOSS open source software.
ATM machine.
More like ATM Teller Machine
Yet another reason to look for alternatives to Libre.
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That’s all it is, which is why it’s so obvious they just want people to subscribe now. Very issue is the smallest thing they could do, and they can’t be bothered.
Folks tell your Mac friends about Libre Office
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This isn’t that some architecture isn’t supported or there’s some new unseen dependency that failed, it’s a cert expiry. Something that happens millions of times per day and can be completely automated.
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Seeing how it’s a trillion dollar company, I think they can spare the few pennies to renew a cert, even 50 years later to keep the “lifetime” license going for everyone. They’re not asking for new features or individual support. We’re all saying it’s a cert. Take the few minutes to renew it.
So that means Microsoft doesn’t need to honor their contracts with users?
Interesting legal strategy, cotton.
Microsoft constantly punishes any idiot who ever bought anything from them.
Spicy headline.
It’s not the headline.
