Discord users are cancelling their Nitro after new mobile layout update::undefined
Source: like 7 people on
twitterXYe, but it’s significant since that’s 80% of the Nitro subscribers
Make it 70. I am a Nitro sub actually make it 40 I have 3 other friends that are as well. Well now technically 30 because I have an additional friend in Sweden who pays for it. I have fiber my friends and I stream games the higher streaming quality is worth it. I also use Vencord to add some additional features.
More people pay for things that I think are given credit for. I don’t mind spending money on a product I enjoy with my friends.
While I agree that you should buy the things you enjoy to keep them around, throwing money at every service and application on your computer just because you use them often is exactly why everything turns to shit. Subscriptions for everything. You will own nothing, and you will like it.
I would say of the services to give money to, Discord is on the lesser evil side.
Sure, they lock a bunch of stuff behind Nitro, but they’re at least only giving people ads for their own stuff and not scams or dong pills. Because if nobody paid for anything, that money would have to come from somewhere.
Discord is also extremely data intrusive and retains the right to commercially process anything you write, post or say on there. By using it we already pay with our data, nitro is just extra skimming. I will cede that they have avoided ads for non discord related stuff, which is at least something.
Running all of the web services at scale takes a chunk of money. Even Matrix has a paid tier to cover the costs of running the servers for the paying customers. The free tier performs as expected for being free and not ad supported. It’s not extra skimming if I end up with fewer annoying things in my face and some neat tricks to use when communicating with my friends.
Giving up those rights for anything your input into a commercial Internet service is fairly standard. All that AI data came from somewhere. Not saying it’s a good thing, just that it’s not atypical.
Every time I open discord it just generates popups about features.
Its fucking annoying.
Making a separate button for patch notes like everyone else would take too long.
Odd, I was pretty happy when I got the update. I always thought it was odd that servers and PMs were mixed somewhat in the UI, and hard to distinguish between.
People just don’t like things being different than they were ig.
Or is there another change I didn’t notice that had people bothered?
I don’t dislike all the changes but the removal of the left swipe gesture to access current channel information and pinned message is a huge negative change to me.
I agree, this throws me off more than anything else with the changes.
Oh OK, I guess this seals it, I don’t have whatever new version people are complaining about, left swipe still works for me. I was reading through the posts trying to figured out what changed, and none of it sounded familiar. I got a discord patch yesterday, but maybe the fold phones don’t have the same version as bar phones do.
Edit: Ah, if I close discord fully and open it on the little outside screen instead, I get the new version. That is definitely too many changes to make at once. Weird that I just have both versions.
Before it was better because all of the messages were in one place.
I mostly use discord for dms and now for some reason I have to switch to a different tab to access them, it’s annoying and unnecessary.
App is also slower now.
The two big problems for me are (1) increased slowness and lag, and (2) phantom notifications (a red 10 dot in the bottom notifications but I click in and see that it’s empty)
Been a while since I used the new thing, immediately hated it. All on mobile.
First of a, the bottom scroll thing on my phone to select a server or whatever it was just ain’t it. I didn’t use it much, but it seemed extremely annoying to move between dm and servers, especially if they weren’t the top ones. You can get lists and such by swiping.
Second was that server channels turned into a huge mess. Showing the last message makes absolutely no sense on any server I use. Especially on bigger game server like destiny group finding one’s already long lists turned into miles long lists. Absolutely unusable. I need things compact and clean personally, having the channels big and wide wastes so much space, and again long lists.
Being in a server hides any notifications and dms too.
Everything that was close at hand before is now far away. And that sucks for me.
I’m not sure anyone is complaining specifically about the DM button, that’s the one change that’s probably good? Like it doesn’t do much for me, and I wouldn’t care if they didn’t also change how the DM window works. Or how the swiping works in the server.
“PMs and servers were hard to distinguish with”
Uh, no they weren’t.
Wait, really? It’s not even that big a change! That’s a hell of a thing to cut and run for
It’s quite a massive change and significantly impacts usability in a lot of cases and it also makes Discord no different from any other app.
If they had just kept the server list in the direct messages view this would’ve been way less worse.
I’m so confused. When I got this unexpected change I was so excited. This is exactly what’s been wrong with the UX in that app. It’s so much clearer now
It messes with a ton of my common actions and doesn’t make them better. Things being hidden behind weird actions now. Some of it will just require me to get used to it, but some of it seems genuinely more cumbersome to perform.
The fundamental disconnect here seems to be some people think apps being “clearer” makes them better, regardless of how much functionality is hidden or straight up lost.
And that’s not just about Discord, that’s the theme across the board, it seems. Some people want aesthetics, some people want usability, and UX designers nowadays seems hellbent on pissing off the latter.
Data density in UX has been downhill since Microsoft Office added the ribbon in 2007.
But the only thing I see changed is that “dm” was moved to the bottom bar instead of the server list (which made no sense)
Why do you enjoy having them separate? I much prefer the old layout, it makes a lot more sense to keep everything in the same place and require less swiping to get between them. Having two different sections is annoying and having it one way in the mobile UI and another way in the desktop UI is beyond stupid. I really wish they would just give us the option to pick our preferred layout.
DMs are separate things. They aren’t a server. They’re outside of servers.
Better question is, why would you put a button for DMs in a list of servers?
I’m curious about your usage. Are you heavily into DMs? What % of activity is DM vs servers? Do you switch between them a lot? Are you a desktop user too? What % is desktop vs mobile?
For me I’m mainly in a single server (but have 50 others I drop in seldomly), and I rarely DM. I’m primarily desktop (my fulltime job uses discord for collab), but do mobile a lot off hours.
it also makes Discord no different from any other app.
Seems to be the consistent theme now. Legitimately, no app seems to want to have its own visual identity anymore, it’s all the same shit, in white or black, with the same floating squircles, wasted screen space, laid out in a manner that provides less information. It’s depressingly lifeless and Corporate Memphis levels of inauthentic. The result of a CEO saying “do an Apple” to the UX team, because they gotta hook that young demo, rather than do anything original, identifiable, or interesting.
And they certainly aren’t about to spend any amount of time appealing to tech literate power users, or (god forbid) people who like to customize their own UIs.
puttin buttons at the top is a terrible ux for mobile apps
You should read the last line of my comment.
Discord was never usable for almost all handicaps
Source I work with blind developers
Wait what change are we talking about? I don’t see any huge changes on iOS.
They roll out slowly, you’ll get it eventually
The update just came out pretty much, you’ll know when you get it
I just looked at the change, fully-prepared to feel outraged and claim they’re changing things just to change them.
Nah. It’s a fantastic, logical change imo. Same as when Firefox decided to move the address bar to the bottom.
If they had kept the server menu on the messages tab it would’ve been better, they also removed a bunch of normal menu actions and hid them and completely obstructed other things.
It would’ve been a logical change if they cared even a little bit more.
Outside of a minor appearance change, they moved direct messages out of the server list and into their own space (never understood why they did it that way before), and added a way to quickly reply to a message at the expense of having to tap the channel name to see the member list instead of swiping… I’m missing how this is a massive change here and how it significantly impacts usability…
They hid a bunch of things behind menus, multiple button taps and separated two parts of Discord while they shouldn’t be. Even ignoring all those useless changes, if they had just kept the server bar on the messages tab it would’ve been fine.
You should have seen how mad people were over the time Discord slightly changed the shade of the icon
They’ve just seen this as an excuse to stop paying Nitro.
They could just stop anytime, they don’t have to justify it
discord users are snowflakes
Sure thing grandpa, let’s get you to bed. Joe Biden can’t hurt you there.
Wait, the new UI I got yesterday? With the servers and messages finally finally separated? I like it personally. I struggle to find my DMs on the desktop app vs servers and never found the overall UI intuitive. I am usually the first to get upset over UI changes (looking at you Google Messages!), but for once I am happy.
One problem I have with it is that it’s harder than ever to get to the members list. You have to click a thing at the top of the screen rather than just swiping from the right.
Otherwise I’m mostly happy.
Discord offers subscriptions and micro transactions in a chat app. This is the future of everything thanks to people going “oh it’s not so bad”.
I mean, they have to make some money some way…
And who determines how much money they need? Some c-suite asshole who wants a 3rd mansion?
Or the board of rich assholes who do nothing for the company but hold up their hands every quarter.
You’re not obligated to pay them if you don’t want to.
Don’t worry, I don’t.
These people are acting like every company that exists is somehow extracting money from them, even if they aren’t actually paying for it. For someone to ask for money in return for a service is a straight insult to them lol.
Oh sure.
They’ll take as much as they can get while providing the bare-minimum in return.
It’s called “maximizing profit”, and a lot of people in this thread don’t seem to understand that.
Look at my downvotes… People at bat for a soulless company, ignoring their shitty practices, all because they can’t separate what they think is a good company from a bad one. Capitalism has them all.
Jesus christ, relax. Discord isnt some billion dollar revenue stream for people like Elon Musk. Last year it generated $130 million in revenue. The only money they make are from nitro subscribers, otherwise their entire platform is free for you to use. I dont know why you think Discord is a soulless company, especially considering it’s not even publicly traded so doesn’t have to bend to the will of shareholders.
I like nitro for the audio and stream quality benefits. It’s not much money and makes the experience with friends better.
Doesn’t seem much different than streaming services asking for more for 4k streaming.
…stream quality is fully controlled by client side.
you don’t need nitro for streaming at any quality you want to, just any client modI have shit internet so the audio and stream quality does matter to me - its the universal emojis and sound board that keeps me paying. I’m not ashamed
Haha the extra sound board slots are a nice perk too. Nothing as satisfying as the John Cena intro when something goes your way in a game.
Then they ask for a little more… Then a little more… This is why Netflix is $20/mo now because not enough people have the will to do without. These companies make you feel as if you’re missing out or that you can’t survive without their services, and when that happens they own you.
“oh, at least there are no ads”
except they’re shoving microtransaction ads literally everywhere.
Various practices that make you feel like you’re missing out by not buying nitro.
Profile decoration shop ads almost in every single place.
There’s even a dedicated nitro gift button on the message bar.What discord client are you using? Mine never hits me up for MTX’s. I know nitro is there, but there’s no intrusive pop ups.
Lol, remember when Discord had a birthday for 30 days?
Reminded me of that Jimmy Neutron episode.
Imagine getting peer pressured because of emojis. Seriously if you dont want to shitpost with emojis, you’re not missing anything.
Considering how much is free and how much of a better experience it is compared to competitors, yeah, it really is not so bad. The MTX boil down to a few cosmetics and ability to use more bandwidth (ability to upload bigger files, stream in 4K)
One Google search on Dextero and I will pass one using it as a source of information.
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People pay for nitro?
Yeah I like being able to shitpost with meme emojis from other servers and keep the one platform me and my freeloading friends use, alive. I ain’t going back to Skype and god bless the souls on Teamspeak.
Mumble, mumble.
You could always switch to Matrix.
Don’t fool yourself into thinking that you paying for nitro is adding to discord’s longevity.
You’re just lining the pockets of people richer than you.
This. Matrix is great
Good luck convincing entire communities to use a different service that is less supported.
Definitely won’t have the features I need to shitpost and convince everyone I know to switch. Again.
And my brother in Christ that is called capitalism and in capitalism if they aren’t profiting they shut it down.
So yes, ever since I joined Discord three months after public release, I have been contributing to its longevity. I was the weird friend going on campaigns to get the boys to leave Skype. Part of Hypesquad before they shrugged and let everyone in.
I won’t need Matrix unless Discord implodes or loses touch like Skype.
Imagine paying for Discord in the first place
huh, I opted into the new layout months ago. I got use to it quickly.
Edit: I went back to discord to find the server tray/drawer the beta had disappeared. If this is the final version, I’m surprised people are upset. The drawer was the most radical change.
Reading this, I just switched to see as well. That drawer was atrocious UX, and the new design without it is actually pretty good.
I don’t find myself getting frustrated with having to tap repeatedly to do anything, and the separation of DMs and servers is cleaner and more intuitive than the old layout where they were mixed together.
well the drawer sounds nice in theory, but the implementation wasatrocious.
I’m actually not against just putting the server list at the bottom, as discord is basically unusable with single hand atm
Yeah I’m confused too. I like this new layout
The only issue I have is not seeing the server channel listings. I’ll get over it but I’m not a fan of that when selecting a channel now. Also in the experimental features they have a thing called like launchpad? I think. I fucking love that guy.
After I choose a channel, the sidebar disappears but I can swipe it back into view. I thought it was always like that
although i use a different mobile client that’s built on older code (aliucord for those curious!), i still tried out the new update and it isn’t terrible imo. what i mainly don’t like is the server list and dms being completely seperate now, how spaced out things are, the swipe to reply feature, the members + pinned messages list being moved, how messages don’t have a smooth little transition/animation when you send them. there are some things i like, like how in the members/pinned messages list theres a media and links tab now… and other things i don’t remember right now lol, but the cons outweigh the pros for me… back to aliucord i go :p
Have they stopped banning accounts that use 3rd party clients ?
i haven’t noticed any activity on my end, but i think it might be cus im only active on like a handful of servers. im thinking the more active you are in more places, or the more active you are in the community, the more likely they’ll notice you and stuff, yk? im thinking that’s why even though i use 3rd party clients on both pc and mobile, they haven’t done anything to my account
I actually hadn’t noticed the tabs, I really like that
I’m glad I can use a custom client on Android.
Which?
Aliucord since it’s not using react native and supports plugins
aliucord user 🤝🤝🤝
I dont understand the outrage. It’s slightly different, oh no. Back in my day, we used a shitty bright white Windows 95 style UI voice chat program called Ventrilo, and WE LIKED IT.
Good old Vent, lots of great memories there
It’s not about the DM button being moved, it’s about all the UX they broke in halves. They changed how swipe works, they changed how the DM list works, they changed how search works, none in a good way.
For a lot of “power users”, changing how swiping acts goes in direct opposition to the muscle memory, so that’s annoying. Some functionality is just gone or is made much worse, like no longer seeing images in search and no longer having autocomplete for the filter terms there. You can no longer look at the DM list and then go back to active DM because swiping there was turned into a dumb back button replacement.
And above all, this is just a canary in the coal mine moment - they do not care about their current app, they will do whatever they like and people are understandably uncomfortable with that.
We had ICQ by the time I was 16 or so…
I’ll never understand why companies try to force major changes without giving users the chance to opt out, at least for a while.
Edit: -1 for an uncontroversial personal opinion. The hivemind is strong today.
Because fracturing the UI doubles the work needed on feature changes each time it happens.
Not really. Stop maintaining it, but leave it for those who want to opt in to it. Exactly how old.reddit worked. They managed to avoid most of the backlash for their new UI because us diehards could stick to the old one.
Ideally, yes. But they make breaking API changes semi often IIRC. The old version wouldn’t last long at all.
This change actually has been out for a while, I’ve been on the layout for the past year or so. It’s just recently they forced the existing user base onto it where before it was in opt-in, once you get used to the layout it’s actually quite a bit better in my opinion it goes with the mobile flow a lot better, it’s just getting used to it for the first week or so sucks. It’s all so much better than their original redesign which had all of your servers on the bottom with your DM and you had to swipe back and forth between the servers to try to find it which was absolutely atrocious
Oh that original redesign was terrible. And it was insanely slow even on a flagship phone. It’s much, much better now
That’s easy. You have some ‘product manager’ or ‘UX lead’ who gets hired. They need to make a name for themself, and keeping the old thing going won’t do that. So you get a big redesign. There might even be some QA testing to see if the new design is more intuitive. There will rarely if ever be any testing to see if whatever benefit the new design brings, is offset by making existing users relearn the whole thing.
Is it bad if I liked the change? I don’t use discord too much though
No. Like what you want regardless of what the crowd says.
