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The will to fight? I’m treading the line for will to live most of the time.
I wish we could send the religious fanatics to another land and let them set whatever rules they want for themselves. Leave the rest of us alone.
That’s how you got America in the first place. The Puritans left England to go to America because they weren’t allowed to subjugate the people they wanted to. Colonialism fell out of fashion and now they have nowhere to run except Russia, China and Africa, but those places are filled with foreigners already.
Should have known the whole thing was suspect when they landed at the same place they left from.
Not exactly. The motivation to leave Europe is right in the Constitution if you look at it carefully enough. The whole church of England (or whatever country) thing was their big problem. They wanted to go somewhere that they didn’t have a mandatory church so everyone would be free to practice whatever religion they want. At the time if the church of England was Catholic and you were Protestant, there would be problems (and vice versa).
I’m not sure that the founding fathers really considered that having no religion was also valid, and that having a non-Christian religion was also valid, but that’s exactly the ideas they tried to enshrine in the Constitution.
The right wing nutjobs wanting to make their religious beliefs into law would be dissidents when the United States signed that piece of paper declaring themselves as a new country. IMO, they still are, and bluntly, they should go. If they’re not willing to be tolerant of other faiths, then they’re being rather un-American.
This was a long post that completely missed the point about the PURITANS. The “Founding fathers” were running around 150 years later. That’s like confusing someone referencing the 1810s with the 1960s.
The Puritans are the ones that thought the church of England wasn’t being theocratically authoritarian enough.
The thought that the Church of England wasn’t theocratically authoritarian enough, is crazy to me. Holy hell. Literally.
Ye, send them to somewhere in the middle ea… oh wait.
I remember a long while back, maybe even in the W administration, there was an image going around with The United States of Canada as one big happy country to the north, and Jesusland which was basically the American south.
I can’t believe how much MORE sense it makes now.
Disgusting that people view this as a solution.
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Gallows humor is the best kind
I think they view it as a joke borne out of shared frustration.
They’re the same thing
Aka the difference between pushing voter apathy suppression propaganda online or actually helping.
The voter apathy propaganda is so damn infuriating and comes up around this time every 4 years from folks who refuse to offer any alternatives besides telling people to organize and other nonsense without providing any resources on how to do so.
But Biden directly shoots Gazan children himself so you should throw your vote away on a green party candidate instead. Trust me.
Yeah, Trump will be worse and we should just ignore everything Democrats have accomplished or try to accomplish by lumping them in with the worst of their party while blaming them for everything a Republican has done like the sane non brainwashed person I am. I’m helping! I swear! People do more when they’re hopeless!
https://www.whitehouse.gov/therecord/
Honestly the thing people need to do is just call it out for the ludicrousness it is every time. People think it’s a popular opinion and it may be in some circles. But don’t let it just slide. Make fun of it. Call it out for the propaganda it is. You don’t have to be a paid Russian troll to push prop. People here can fall for it just as easily as the people wacthing Fox News.
So Vbnmw?
Sure, but voting’s literally the bare minimum you can do
So I should vote against the person I dislike the most right?
Not really. It’s about the only thing that matters. Triply so if you’re in a purple state. And triply so for local elections.
People can say organize, call your rep, blah blah blah all the they want. But only the voting part really matters. Maybe talking to close friends who you might sway a vote but chances are they already are and voting similar to you.
The next best thing you can do is run yourself.
Politicians love non-voters, one less idiot they need to convince.
The time to find this equilibrium has passed. I’m already depressed and nihilistic
Well that sounds… a bit depressing.
Have you tried psychedelics?
I get the anxiety of global warming and global capitalism being the end of the world, but we we will fix it!
You see, as the globe heats up and crops die, countries will begin fighting for resources . There will be larger and larger migrations of people from the unhabitable places and warzones to more developed countries, which we have already been seeing. This has already triggered a push of nationalism and authoritarianism, and it will get much worse. As democracies fall to dictatorships, global peace will fall apart as despots wage war with each other. At this point it’s just a matter of time before all the nukes are launched.
And then it’s nuclear winter!
It will last only a decade, but with 93% of the population dying, we will see a large reduction of carbon emissions as humanity is sent back to the year 1300. Those billionaires who could afford their bunkers and have the political skill to maintain their power will emerge as competing warlords that will plunge humanity further into chaos to an age of violence, instability, and oppression. Then it’s just 700~ 1000 years to reach the technological and population levels of today!
I am an optimist.
I’d say the trickiest part is knowing exactly what will happen (in the grand scheme of things, ofc. clairvoyance in the meme sense), then see it happen and having no power to stop it at all.
And seeing all the people around you post-justify every shitty thing that happened through the lens of a mystical ideology of either conservatism or liberalism.
While you’re like: but remember I said this was gonna happen because of x, y and z material conditions?
And you can see their selfs shutdown behind their eyes. And they go back to just repeating their same old talking points and sound bites and “memes”.
Therapy helps
I shouldn’t need therapy to decide on some BS that other people argue about.
Yup. Nobody should need therapy. Nobody should need a liver transplant either. Nobody should need insulin injections.
But, the first step to recovery is accepting what is, rather than what should be.
No. 1 and 3 are needed. 2 maybe not depending on genetics. But I shouldn’t need any from discussing politics. Like that was the whole point of the joke.
Oh sorry. Lots of stress so my contextual awareness is messed up
Fuck me, that’s so true
Breaking through the exhausted nihilism to find the secret second layer of righteous outrage
Right in the feels.
Try to find a reason to act that isn’t outrage, that isn’t healthy
I don’t know any other way about forced birth, racism, book burnings, christofascism, and genocide.
But you’re right, I’ve felt too worn down to do as much as I would have liked.
I’ve always found clearing all the purity tests online leftists ask you to jump through to be the tricky part
all the purity tests
You mean basic human decency?
Like, can you give one example of what you’re complaining about as an unrealistic standard?
I am pro basic human decency, I just wish more online leftists realize you get things done with a big tent. Perfect is the enemy of good.
Fred Hampton wasn’t killed by the FBI because he had the most stringent purity tests, he was killed cause he was able to convince a lot of people to come under his tent to fight for workers.
I mean… that’s most of us. Don’t confuse the loud obnoxious minority with reality.
I agree with that, but it pisses me off because the loud obnoxious folks repel new people.
If all it takes is loud and obnoxious to turn you away from your convictions then they weren’t very strong to begin with.
We don’t get turned from our convictions. We get turned away from communities we hoped to join to help us enact those convictions.
So you cut your nose to spite your face? Seems counterintuitive.
You’re reading into my comment too far. I just said I find it annoying and counterproductive, I didn’t say I’ve changed my convictions.
So…
Does that mean you can’t give a single example of what your complaining about?
I’ve seen older people be cancelled or called fascists over the use of outdated words like ‘transgendered’, without even an explanation. Obviously, that word is now deprecated and considered a pejorative, but it used to be commonly accepted word and was even used within the community.
I’ve had people call me sexist, because I was critical of Mattel’s motives when making the Barbie movie. Mattel is a company run by a man, with an abysmal record on how they treat their (female) employees, and Barbie negatively damages girls’ body image.
I’ve also had people reply to comments in which I paraphrased or literally quoted feminist thinkers like Dworkin, of mansplaining or not being able to understand sexism because I lacked ‘lived experience’. It’s not a coincidence that plenty of left-wing feminists, were easy prey for right wing ideology and are now virulent transphobes. Eg. JK Rowling.
Being balanced or even slightly nuanced on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, is also likely to result in you getting piled on in some terminally online left wing spaces, where people have gone to the other extreme and now seemingly implicitly or explictly support Hamas/Iran. Same thing for Russia/Ukraine.
You also just accused someone of lacking basic human decency, for criticizing what they perceived as the excesses of online leftists.
You also just accused someone of lacking basic human decency, for criticizing what they perceived as the excesses of online leftists.
This was my first thought when reading that comment… smh
It’s painfully un-self-aware.
Personally, I’ve had comments I’ve posted on lemmy.ml deleted for “bigotry” for saying Iran supports Hamas which is an objective fact. It wasn’t even a commentary on policy but I’m still a bigot somehow.
I mean, shit, you even implied I am an enemy of basic human decency for making a mild criticism in a meme sub.
Your first mistake was being active on the .ml instance which generally has been anti-anarchist
Realistically they’re generally anti-anyone that disagrees with them. Not just of anarchists, or actual communists for that matter. They just tend to hate anarchists and real communists more. Because they know and can articulate where the bodies are buried better than most others so to speak.
Yeah I’ve started unfollowing .ml communities because I’ve found it’s just not worth contributing. I have an alt on dbzero’s instance that I’ve found much better.
I’ve got the entire instance blocked from all my feeds. Same with the other communist-friendly shitholes.
I had an account full-on banned from that shithole for saying that the memes people use to respond to comments there are childish and cringy.
The purity tests usually come from leftist adjacent groups that actually have nothing to do with left wing ideology. Read Tankies and some extremely small groups of vegans (Most are fine). They for some reason love telling you “Lefties who aren’t [INSERT THING HERE] are hypocritical and not real leftists”
Really it’s a huge nothing burger complaining about silly people on twitter and Reddit who ultimately do not matter.
They matter because they’re loud and given attention.
Being loud and given attention, they can be the only example of “leftists” some people knowingly interact with.
Yep, it serves the wealthy well for people like them to be the things people visualize when they picture “the left”.
I picture the left as rich leftists who are evil, and poor leftists who are naive.
And yes, I’m aware the left sees us that way too.
Then you lack actual understanding of who leftist are and what they want. Which isn’t an attack against you or anything. Most people in Western societies have been mentally conditioned not. Including myself for the first 30 or so years of my life.
For example, in the United States, Nancy pelosi gets treated as a leftist simply because she’s a Democrat. Despite being pretty far right. All because she’s slightly to the left of fascists in the Republican party. And granted she is socially more tolerant than Republicans. And while social tolerance is good. Social tolerance does not a leftist make. You can be a socially tolerant capitalist, or a bigoted socialist.
Actual leftists don’t seek to be rich. And the further left you go the less likely to be rich in capitalist terms, you are. Leftist derive their wealth from a well functioning society.
I can understand what they’re saying. You expect hateful shit from the right-wing assholes, and fighting against their bullshit is a worthy cause.
But the left is prickly, including to its allies. Hell, especially to its allies. And it is so much more exhausting when it is coming from your own side.
As an example, when Lil Nas X was accused of faking being gay for, I guess money, or pushing some agenda, he said “I just like dick” and that there’s nothing deep to it. People started attacking him for “trans erasure” and such nonsense. The man didn’t say he likes all dick, and I’m sure if it were attached to a woman, he wouldn’t be about it (and if there was a man without one, he presumably also would not be interested). It was a toss away comment that is easily understood in the context, and people felt the need to attack him for it. It should not bear this level of analysis and scrutiny, but here we are.
It’s also a million times worse online, which was the OPs point. I’m a pinko commie by American standards, and I’ve been called a secret conservative online or downvoted to oblivion for daring to suggest that landlords should exist. The downvotes above just show how prickly and “no true leftist” some people are.
Why exactly do you think landlord should exist?
As an actual communist, I think that’s a weird stance.
I’m not him, but the justification I’ve seen in the past is that some people move to different locations every few months to pursue work or they’re in an area temporarily for studies and don’t want to be permanently tied down. It was something along those lines. Even if that does justify the existence of *some* landlords, it doesn’t justify such a huge supermajority of housing being owned by them.
Nah man. Left isn’t just prickly. 100% of the comments I’ve ever seen calling for death and mistreatment of people have been from the left.
Maybe it’s going on in some right wing cesspit somewhere, but not here in public.
I just started saving them recently, so my collection is small but here’s one: https://lemmy.ca/comment/6580270
I see a few a day, and I intend to keep saving them. As time goes on, I’ll have a longer and longer list.
That comment was not directed at a person. It was directed at a billionaire. Those creatures are superhuman, and it is our moral duty to purge them.
I don’t know why this didn’t dawn on me until just now, but…
One thing the alt right’s pervasive bad faith online bullshit accomplishes is wearing down the left making us far more likely to respond with reflexive hostility to any hint of similar behavior. (Edit: often mistakenly)
It isn’t just about recruiting, trolling, power moves, “winning” arguments in others’ perception, but also fomenting infighting among the left.
At what point of leftism do you take a step back, take a deep breath, and ask yourself “is this really what life was meant to be about?”
Supporting each other and ensuring that even the lowest have what they need?
With outrage and nihilism?
What good could possibly ever come from that?
So are you for rightism?
