• unreasonabro@lemmy.world
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    See, this is why we can’t have nice things. Money fucks it up, every time. Fuck money, it’s a shitty backwards idea. We can do better than this.

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      Someone comes up with something good: look what I made, we can use this to better humanity!

      Corporations: How can we make money off of this?

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      You can be killed with steel, which has a lot of other implications on what you do in order to avoid getting killed with steel.

      Does steel fuck it all up?

      Centralization is a shitty backwards idea. But you have to be very conscious of yourself and your instincts to neuter the part that tells you that it’s not to understand it.

      Distributivism minus Catholicism is just so good. I always return to it when I give up on trying to find future in some other political ideology.

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        This has nothing to do with centralization. AI companies are already scraping the web for everything useful. If you took the content from SO and split it into 1000 federated sites, it would still end up in a AI model. Decentralization would only help if we ever manage to hold the AI companies accountable for the en masse copyright violations they base their industry on.

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          Can you explain how reddit comments or stack overflow answers are “copyright infringement”?

          Doesn’t seem relevant to the specific problem this post is about.

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          The irony is that folks complain about stuff like Discord partly because it cannot be scraped by search engines but that would also protect it from being scraped by AI tools.

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          This has everything to do with centralization, just not with the one small context for it which you picked.

          With real decentralization in place market mechanisms work.

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            Copyright is an artificial, government given Monopoly.

            Market Mechanisms don’t work when faced with a Monopoly or work badly in situations distorted by the presence of a Monopoly (which is more this case, since Stack Overflow has a monopoly in the reproduction of each post in that website but the same user could post the same answer elsewhere thus creating an equivalent work).

            Pretty much in every situation where Intellectual Property is involved you see the market failing miserably: just notice the current situation with streaming services which would be completelly different if there was no copyright and hence no possibility of exclusivity of distribution of any titles (and hence streaming services would have to compete in terms of quality of service).

            The idea that the Free Market is something that works everywhere (or even in most cases) is Politically-driven Magic thinking, not Economics.

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              Market forces lead to the creation of large corporations that then shut down market forces and undermine fair markets. Once a few big corporations dominate they coordinate their behavior and prices and shut down any new players entering the market. Regulation can counter it to a point, but once the corporations are wealthy enough to dominate government regulation also fails. Right wingers hasten the process by opposing regulation, and have no good answer to how to prevent markets collapsing into monopolies or cartels. I’m not sure anyone has a good answer to that in a capitalist system.

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              You are not arguing with me. Not reading comments before answering them is disrespectful.

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                This has everything to do with centralization, just not with the one small context for it which you picked.

                With real decentralization in place market mechanisms work.

                Monopoly situations along with market mechanisms invariably result in centralization (“monopoly” comes from the Greek word for “right of exclusive sale”), hence market mechanism won’t “work” in the sense you mean it in such a scenario, as I explained.

                Your argument is circular because it’s like saying that it will work as long as it creates the conditions to make itself work (which is the same as saying “as long as it works”).

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                  Decentralization and distribution should be enforced, yes.

                  By, for example, institutionalized resistance to anything like IP law, to regulations and certifications allowing bigger fish to call those who can’t afford them, and at the same time by maintaining regulations against obvious fraud.

                  It’s not a circular argument, you’re just not paying attention.

                  The friendliness of political systems to decentralization doesn’t correlate much with their alignment in terms of left\right or even authoritarian\libertarian. So in my opinion this should be a third dimension on that political compass everybody’s gotten tired of seeing. And there are many other dimensions to add then, so useless.

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            You realize that there have been multiple websites scraped, right? So decentralizing doesn’t solve this issue in particular. Especially when federated sites like Lemmy provide a view of the entire fediverse (more or less).

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          Of leftist ideologies it’s the best one, but not as beautiful and overarching as distributivism.

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        List of Distributist parties in the UK:

        • National Distributist Party
        • British National Party
        • National Front

        Hmmm, maybe the Catholic part isn’t the only part worth reviewing.

        Also worth noting that the Conservative Party’s ‘Big Society’ schtick in 2010 was wrapped in the trappings of distributism.

        Not that all this diminishes it entirely but it does seem to be an entry drug for exploitation by the right.

        I gotta hold my hand up and state that I am not read up on it at all, so happy to be corrected. But my impression is that Pope Leo XIII’s conception was to reduce secular power so as to leave a void for the church to fill. And it’s the potential exploitation of that void that attracts the far right too.

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          but it does seem to be an entry drug for exploitation by the right.

          Well, it is a right ideology. It can be that, of course.